For a 1st year starter, Rodgers stats are pretty FN Good

[MOBB DEEP]

i really enjoy watchn him ball. i dig his style and can see him in pro bowl approx 3 times in 6 years; top 7-10 qb for some years

[Gunakor]

i really enjoy watchn him ball. i dig his style and can see him in pro bowl approx 3 times in 6 years; top 7-10 qb for some years

Well, considering he is nearly top 10 in his first year as a starter, I'd say that's a pretty good guess... Barring injury, I'd say it's almost a damn certainty.

[LL2]

For God sakes; what the hell did Rodger's ever do to some of you guys? I love how everyone talked about Jennings' first year and how great he was going to be, but with Rodgers it's every critic coming out of the woodwork.

Guys can either play or they can't... Get over the fact that Rodgers CAN PLAY and IS GOOD!

I wish these critical folk were just as critical when Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay... short memory? How bout a game last January in Lambeau. I believe he is about 50/50 in 4th quarter comebacks and 4th quarter game giveaways. Love how ESPN talks about how great he is coming back in the 4th... the last 10 years I've seen him NOT be able to do it about 85% of the time (usually with an INT to end the game).

Very good points! I think we should be thankful we have Rodgers as QB. The Packers could very well be 2-11 with someone like Alex Smith. Romo also didn't start until his 4th season and many think he's a great QB. To me he hasn't proven anything in the last few years as a starter. If TT and MM get things fixed the Pack could be back to 10+ wins.

[Pacopete4]

Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay...

hmm... we were the winningest franchise since he has taken over as our QB.. how many games did he really "blow".... who woulda done a better job in that time?.... ur shit is laughable...

[TennesseePackerBacker]

The defense needs to be fixed and the oline needs to grow and gel. The special teams have been atrocious, I'm curious to see where the Packers are on return yards allowed. Aaron Rodgers is certaintly not the problem in Green Bay, in fact, I'm pretty sure he'll be a bright spot in years to come barring any significant injury.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay...

hmm... we were the winningest franchise since he has taken over as our QB.. how many games did he really "blow".... who woulda done a better job in that time?.... ur shit is laughable...

and you sir are as ignorant as it can get. I can't count the number of times since 2000 where Favre had the ball in his hand late in the game and gave it away. Or gave the game away in the 1st quarter, 6 ints against the rams in the playoffs, numerous losing games in Dallas, last year against the Giants and Cowboys. Philly in the playoffs, you remember that gift to three Eagles CB's? I swear to a foreigner of football it would look like someone paid Favre off to throw the end of that game.

You people need to get off of Favre already, he's NOT a Packer anymore, and until he retires he wont be again. I just don't understand how some of you people have become so jaded about Favre and just abandon all logic. Was it because the Pack were 13-3 last year? The absolute best record we've seen in the Favre tenure happened last year, but look at the two years prior, and that god awful atlanta playoff game.

Favre is not the world-beater a lot of you seem to think he still is. The guy is old and over the hill, he's not even half of the quarterback he used to be in his earlier days. I know, I've watched these Jets games, he throws some absolutely horrible decisions and doesn't have the arm strength anymore to have the ball bounce off the defender, or make it through the tight spot like the young Favre could.

Were we really the winningiest franchise during the 17 years Favre was here? I'd like to see that stat instead of just randomly thrown out there.

[Patler]

Rodgers has shown he has some talent, he has also shown he has some severe weaknesses and some tendencies that have remained since he got to Green Bay.

What "severe weaknesses" and what "tendencies" are you referring to?
Might as well discuss specifics.

[Patler]

As a point of discussion, before last year (or maybe late 2006) weren't some on here complaining because Favre had gone for something like three season without a 4th qtr winning TD drive, and had only a few Ryan Longwell FGs in a bunch of opportunities to show for it. People were questioning whether he could still lead the late game TD drive for a win.

While the QB has a lot to do with it, some of it is luck and a lot depends on the other 10 on offense too. Second and goal from the 2 ends up as a FG through no fault of Rodgers. First and 10 from the 13 becomes second and 17 from the 32 and then third and 26 from the 41 due to no fault of Rodgers. Go ahead and tying drives late in the 4th quarter are quickly frittered away by poor ST play and poor defense. A makable (albeit long) FG is missed.

Fourth quarter wins require a lot more than just the QB. Rodgers could easily have a couple this year with a little cooperation from his team mates.

[gbgary]

When the defense gets better it will make the offense look better by giving them more chances and putting them in more favorable situations. Rodgers is also starting his first year and is very young.

true but when the o gets better and can put long drives together, rather than trying to win with big plays, the d won't get over-worked and taken advantage of.

Did you watch the NO game? You know where the Packers went on 8 minute drives and the defense would come in and give up a 1 or 2 play drive? Or even just the Houston game where on the opening possession the defense gave up a 3 play drive? Yeah you're right though, the offense probably wasn't out there long enough and the defense was tired.

yes...but i'm talking about the whole season in general. this season the offense, for the most part, has struggled. the Pack has lived on big plays, and turnovers, rather than consistant ball control. take the points the defense the special teams scored and the record would be even worse. i don't think MM has helped with his play calling either. Rodgers has been pretty darn good for a first-year qb but there's room for lots of improvement. he's tough and proved to be durable. he can throw a perfect bomb and turn around and miss a wide open guy downfield by five yards. he can't throw a slant very well either. he'll stand in there and throw a perfect ball under extreme pressure and then turn around and miss a guy by a mile with no pressure. time and experience should fix all that. with a good draft, and some good free agents, next year should be better. maybe we'll get back to winning all the nail-biters rather than losing them.

[KYPack]

When did we stop throwing slants?

When did Rodgers throw a slant poorly?

The slant is a staple of offense and ARod can sling 'em.

We will be fine eventually. We need to run the ball consistently well, then our offense will be one bitch to stop.

[oregonpackfan]

Most impressively has been his handling of the mess that the team handed him in the Brett Favre dispute. I don't think someone in his position could have done any better.

This is a VERY strong point!

Rodgers faced(and to some extent, still faces) the pressure of replacing a legendary QB. Furthermore, he displayed remarkable poise and maturity during this whole Favre retirement/unretirement/trade debacle. How many other 24 year old QB's could have done that with the same professionalism that Rodgers showed?

[cpk1994]

For God sakes; what the hell did Rodger's ever do to some of you guys? I love how everyone talked about Jennings' first year and how great he was going to be, but with Rodgers it's every critic coming out of the woodwork.

Guys can either play or they can't... Get over the fact that Rodgers CAN PLAY and IS GOOD!

I wish these critical folk were just as critical when Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay... short memory? How bout a game last January in Lambeau. I believe he is about 50/50 in 4th quarter comebacks and 4th quarter game giveaways. Love how ESPN talks about how great he is coming back in the 4th... the last 10 years I've seen him NOT be able to do it about 85% of the time (usually with an INT to end the game).

Its very easy to see why some have a problem with Rodgers. Rodgers, as you remember, was drafted in the first round when these people wanted something else and thought QB should be drafted later. They hate TT with a passion and the drafting of Rodgers fuels that.; Also, there were a couple of them that called him a bust immediately and now that Rodgers has made them look bad, they will bash and tear Rodgers down on any little thing just to try to show there original position that he is a bust. Throw in the fact that these bashers are most likely Favre butt kissers and what happened earlier in the year, you see why those people refuse to give Rodgers any credit or cede the fact that he probably will be good.

To sum up:

The bashers hate TT.
TT drafted ARod and the bashers didn't wnat that.
Therefore The bashers hate ARod and call him a bust.

Hopee that helps.

[SnakeLH2006]

For God sakes; what the hell did Rodger's ever do to some of you guys? I love how everyone talked about Jennings' first year and how great he was going to be, but with Rodgers it's every critic coming out of the woodwork.

Guys can either play or they can't... Get over the fact that Rodgers CAN PLAY and IS GOOD!

I wish these critical folk were just as critical when Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay... short memory? How bout a game last January in Lambeau. I believe he is about 50/50 in 4th quarter comebacks and 4th quarter game giveaways. Love how ESPN talks about how great he is coming back in the 4th... the last 10 years I've seen him NOT be able to do it about 85% of the time (usually with an INT to end the game).

Its very easy to see why some have a problem with Rodgers. Rodgers, as you remember, was drafted in the first round when these people wanted something else and thought QB should be drafted later. They hate TT with a passion and the drafting of Rodgers fuels that.; Also, there were a couple of them that called him a bust immediately and now that Rodgers has made them look bad, they will bash and tear Rodgers down on any little thing just to try to show there original position that he is a bust. Throw in the fact that these bashers are most likely Favre butt kissers and what happened earlier in the year, you see why those people refuse to give Rodgers any credit or cede the fact that he probably will be good.

To sum up:

The bashers hate TT.
TT drafted ARod and the bashers didn't wnat that.
Therefore The bashers hate ARod and call him a bust.

Hopee that helps.

To sum it up, yes you like to run your mouth...check out this mp3 I just uploaded for ya: http://vidtomp3.com/mp3_details.php?...0741393363.mp3

Listen to that as us fellow "6'5" muthafuckas are sick of ya running ya mouth ya dirty worm"....those are quotes from the MP3. "Take a dirt nap...talking shit." Just sounded good to sum up what we think of ya. Some of us are 6'5" dirt cluckers.....

Those are just quotes from the song so take that as you may. BTW...Great song by a rap legend Andre Nickatina for free...so hit that link. It's called "Dirty Worm"..good stuff. I just had to jump into this post as you are way offline with your shit talking on others, as usual.

Back to topic....

I love how you generalize everyone into your hating "session of the day" as trolls do that type of thing. You hate..we know that and (can produce posts you've done on EVERY single genre of the Packer org....but that is tiresome)...but hey let's look at your last post...for times sake.

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"The bashers hate TT"...yep you've done so so many times yourself, perhaps you should be car-bombing him like he raped your cats (yes you prob. have many, but I dont' care about that either). Personally, I don't hate TT, but think he needs to do a revamp in the offseason and seriously look at getting an OL or DL FA for once. TT needs to make some changes though.

"TT drafted ARod and the bashers didn't wnat that." No one really wanted a QB at the time, nor did I, but it worked out as I like Arod and think he'll get better with wins in the near future. He's a lot tougher than I thought mentally, and esp. physically. He's a Pro-Bowler to come with borderline leadership skills that once again come with experience, but needs to improve his late game make-up as he's been sub-par lategame (comes with experience).

"Therefore The bashers hate ARod and call him a bust."....You can barely spell and use CAPS/grammar like it's caveman time or something...what is that?? Oh well, most trailer-park skeezers are none the wiser. We are in a recession, not a regression. LOL Who on here said he's a bust? NEVER me nor many others, but to generalize on all makes you a troll trying to get rips on peeps to improve your standing with your frosh HS peeps that don't really like you either. I'd have wedgied you to death CPK, but I love ARod and he has by far exceeded my expectations statistically, yet his late-game shit is not good, but that comes with experience. But he's a tough dude and respect him immensely, no matter the record.

Take note and take care esp. at 2:00 (funny or interesting....have you EVER been either....NOPE, so check this out as that is key to this vid):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onCPJH6swoY'

The knowledge is to not feed the troll, I say kill the troll.....brutally.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Rodgers is going to be a heck of a player no doubt. Even if he doesn’t improve and just plays like he has this year for the rest of his career he will be a top ten QB every year. I think he has a high ceiling. If we can get him a consistent o-line you will see Manning/Brady type numbers in a year or two.

[Gunakor]

For God sakes; what the hell did Rodger's ever do to some of you guys? I love how everyone talked about Jennings' first year and how great he was going to be, but with Rodgers it's every critic coming out of the woodwork.

Guys can either play or they can't... Get over the fact that Rodgers CAN PLAY and IS GOOD!

I wish these critical folk were just as critical when Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay... short memory? How bout a game last January in Lambeau. I believe he is about 50/50 in 4th quarter comebacks and 4th quarter game giveaways. Love how ESPN talks about how great he is coming back in the 4th... the last 10 years I've seen him NOT be able to do it about 85% of the time (usually with an INT to end the game).

Its very easy to see why some have a problem with Rodgers. Rodgers, as you remember, was drafted in the first round when these people wanted something else and thought QB should be drafted later. They hate TT with a passion and the drafting of Rodgers fuels that.; Also, there were a couple of them that called him a bust immediately and now that Rodgers has made them look bad, they will bash and tear Rodgers down on any little thing just to try to show there original position that he is a bust. Throw in the fact that these bashers are most likely Favre butt kissers and what happened earlier in the year, you see why those people refuse to give Rodgers any credit or cede the fact that he probably will be good.

To sum up:

The bashers hate TT.
TT drafted ARod and the bashers didn't wnat that.
Therefore The bashers hate ARod and call him a bust.

Hopee that helps.

To sum it up, yes you like to run your mouth...check out this mp3 I just uploaded for ya: http://vidtomp3.com/mp3_details.php?...0741393363.mp3

Listen to that as us fellow "6'5" muthafuckas are sick of ya running ya mouth ya dirty worm"....those are quotes from the MP3. "Take a dirt nap...talking shit." Just sounded good to sum up what we think of ya. Some of us are 6'5" dirt cluckers.....

Those are just quotes from the song so take that as you may. BTW...Great song by a rap legend Andre Nickatina for free...so hit that link. It's called "Dirty Worm"..good stuff. I just had to jump into this post as you are way offline with your shit talking on others, as usual.

Back to topic....

I love how you generalize everyone into your hating "session of the day" as trolls do that type of thing. You hate..we know that and (can produce posts you've done on EVERY single genre of the Packer org....but that is tiresome)...but hey let's look at your last post...for times sake.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"The bashers hate TT"...yep you've done so so many times yourself, perhaps you should be car-bombing him like he raped your cats (yes you prob. have many, but I dont' care about that either). Personally, I don't hate TT, but think he needs to do a revamp in the offseason and seriously look at getting an OL or DL FA for once. TT needs to make some changes though.

"TT drafted ARod and the bashers didn't wnat that." No one really wanted a QB at the time, nor did I, but it worked out as I like Arod and think he'll get better with wins in the near future. He's a lot tougher than I thought mentally, and esp. physically. He's a Pro-Bowler to come with borderline leadership skills that once again come with experience, but needs to improve his late game make-up as he's been sub-par lategame (comes with experience).

"Therefore The bashers hate ARod and call him a bust."....You can barely spell and use CAPS/grammar like it's caveman time or something...what is that?? Oh well, most trailer-park skeezers are none the wiser. We are in a recession, not a regression. LOL Who on here said he's a bust? NEVER me nor many others, but to generalize on all makes you a troll trying to get rips on peeps to improve your standing with your frosh HS peeps that don't really like you either. I'd have wedgied you to death CPK, but I love ARod and he has by far exceeded my expectations statistically, yet his late-game shit is not good, but that comes with experience. But he's a tough dude and respect him immensely, no matter the record.

Take note and take care esp. at 2:00 (funny or interesting....have you EVER been either....NOPE, so check this out as that is key to this vid):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onCPJH6swoY'

The knowledge is to not feed the troll, I say kill the troll.....brutally.

First off Snake, CPK wasn't talking to you. He was responding to a post made by Polishhawk. It is you coming on to bad mouth him, not the other way around. Perhaps you should take a step back and realize that small fact before calling others out for trolling, when that's exactly what you are doing right here.

Secondly, he's right. He wasn't talking to or about you specifically, so don't take such offense. TT haters hate on TT for a number of reasons, including drafting Aaron Rodgers and naming him the starter over Brett Favre. You can't honestly sit there believing that isn't true. If you are not one of those people, that's great, but he wasn't talking to or about you specifically so don't take it as such. He's talking in general about the people who do feel that way, and there are plenty of them out there. No reason to take it personally.

You don't like him, IGNORE HIM. If you don't like me, IGNORE ME. It is YOU who comes on this site bashing CPK and others, starting some shit that doesn't need to be started. YOU are the one acting a troll. I don't understand the need for you to respond in such a negative way to a post - nay a POSTER - for something that wasn't even directed at you in the first place.