Packers just got unlucky this year

[Packnut]

Luck

Good teams don't rely on luck. You can look for all the excuses you want but the fact is this team sucks on both lines and since that is the basis for ANY good team, we are what we are.

Our o-line has been totally in-consistent. One play they make their blocks and the next play it all falls apart. Is it coaching? Is it that they just can't do the ZBS? Not enough talent?

On D, well we have to many guys who stand around and make zero penetration. How many times do we see our line just get man-handeled? It's seems as though the opponent's offensive linemen have no problem "moving the pile". If we're all going to be honest around here, THIS is our biggest problem and our GM's biggest failure.

C'mon Cole and Montgomery? I seriously doubt these 2 clowns even make 90% of the teams in the NFL. Pickett is great IF his plays are limited. The guy has zero stamina. Jenkins? China doll plain and simple. He just can't stay healthy so he has little value. So what are we left with? Kampman and that's it. Harrell is a bust and anyone denying it is just brain-dead. Jolly has taken a HUGE step back. May-be knowing your gonna do time is a downer? What-ever the reason, he's another waste of a player.

So all you guys thinking next season is gonna get better, let me have what your smoking. Teddy can use our first 4 picks on d-linemen and we all know rookies have minimum impact. So that leaves FA and using those 2 words in the same sentence with Teddy is an oxy-moron. The day Mr A.Haynesworth signs a Packer contract will be the day I kiss Teddy's ass. I hate to be the "grinch" who stole next season but even a soft schedule puts us no better than 8-8.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Re: Luck

Good teams don't rely on luck. You can look for all the excuses you want but the fact is this team sucks on both lines and since that is the basis for ANY good team, we are what we are.

Our o-line has been totally in-consistent. One play they make their blocks and the next play it all falls apart. Is it coaching? Is it that they just can't do the ZBS? Not enough talent?

On D, well we have to many guys who stand around and make zero penetration. How many times do we see our line just get man-handeled? It's seems as though the opponent's offensive linemen have no problem "moving the pile". If we're all going to be honest around here, THIS is our biggest problem and our GM's biggest failure.

C'mon Cole and Montgomery? I seriously doubt these 2 clowns even make 90% of the teams in the NFL. Pickett is great IF his plays are limited. The guy has zero stamina. Jenkins? China doll plain and simple. He just can't stay healthy so he has little value. So what are we left with? Kampman and that's it. Harrell is a bust and anyone denying it is just brain-dead. Jolly has taken a HUGE step back. May-be knowing your gonna do time is a downer? What-ever the reason, he's another waste of a player.

So all you guys thinking next season is gonna get better, let me have what your smoking. Teddy can use our first 4 picks on d-linemen and we all know rookies have minimum impact. So that leaves FA and using those 2 words in the same sentence with Teddy is an oxy-moron. The day Mr A.Haynesworth signs a Packer contract will be the day I kiss Teddy's ass. I hate to be the "grinch" who stole next season but even a soft schedule puts us no better than 8-8.

I agree and disagree. The d-line is not good, but it is not as bad as you make it out to be. Kampman, Pickett, Jolly, and Jenkins are all good players worth keeping and would make most NFL rosters. The problem is that to be a good d-line you have to be at least 7 deep and have couple studs starting. The only stud is Kampman and by himself is not enough. I agree that just drafting players is not going to cut it and we need a big signing on the d-line if we are ever going to contend. A big signing and a couple draft picks on the d-line and you can see a quick turnaround.

[RashanGary]

I'm not so concerned with a "quick" turnaround. As long as it turns around I'm OK. I expect to be playoff competitive more often than not over the next 10 years, but I don't put it all on any one or two seasons. It's a long term thing. We have to have a lot of turn over on the DL though. Whether it be young guys or free agents we cannot have the same players we have this year. I would hope for one free agent, either DT or DE. I would hope he puts a little more overall recources in that area.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I'm not so concerned with a "quick" turnaround. As long as it turns around I'm OK. I expect to be playoff competitive more often than not over the next 10 years, but I don't put it all on any one or two seasons. It's a long term thing. We have to have a lot of turn over on the DL though. Whether it be young guys or free agents we cannot have the same players we have this year. I would hope for one free agent, either DT or DE. I would hope he puts a little more overall recources in that area.

Having a quick turnaround is the whole point of signing a free agent. I you just want to draft, draft, draft, then before you know it Kampman will be 30 something and possibly declining and Pickett will probably be gone. Not only that, its not easy to draft stud d-lineman. This is TT fifth draft coming up, I think its time we make a push.

We got the Wrs, the QB, Rbs, CB, Lbs, etc. Let’s flicking go for it. Lets take a chance, that sometimes is the difference. As Patler already point out, we will have like 35-40 million in cap space. Thats more than enough to sign your own and dip your hand into free agency.

[Partial]

I'm not so concerned with a "quick" turnaround. As long as it turns around I'm OK. I expect to be playoff competitive more often than not over the next 10 years, but I don't put it all on any one or two seasons. It's a long term thing. We have to have a lot of turn over on the DL though. Whether it be young guys or free agents we cannot have the same players we have this year. I would hope for one free agent, either DT or DE. I would hope he puts a little more overall recources in that area.

The fact that we are discussing this instead of how we're going to miss watching the Packers during the first round bye disgusts me. We went to the NFC championship game and took the world champ to overtime in it. We were the youngest team in the league, poised to take a HUGE step forward.

The fact that we're having posts like this says to me TT has not done an adequate job, and hugely undervalued the pieces that were here last year and aren't now, and overvalued the pieces that are here. It also says to me this team got lazy and did not work nearly as hard as they should have in the offseason. They look slow and have been injury prone all year.

[The Leaper]

I agree with you Partial.

Thompson had a horrible offseason. He did next to nothing to improve the team, but did several major things to weaken it. He had opportunities to land some key FAs, but passed on all of them. Our highest draft picks have offered very little in the way of contribution to the team. Thompson continues to acquire draft picks and cash...while the team goes backward.

Thompson and McCarthy are suddenly both on thin ice.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I agree with you Partial.

Thompson had a horrible offseason. He did next to nothing to improve the team, but did several major things to weaken it. He had opportunities to land some key FAs, but passed on all of them. Our highest draft picks have offered very little in the way of contribution to the team. Thompson continues to acquire draft picks and cash...while the team goes backward.

Thompson and McCarthy are suddenly both on thin ice.

[Bretsky]

I'm not so concerned with a "quick" turnaround. As long as it turns around I'm OK. I expect to be playoff competitive more often than not over the next 10 years, but I don't put it all on any one or two seasons. It's a long term thing. We have to have a lot of turn over on the DL though. Whether it be young guys or free agents we cannot have the same players we have this year. I would hope for one free agent, either DT or DE. I would hope he puts a little more overall recources in that area.

How many years does Ted get a free pass ? I don't find sub .500 acceptable no matter how I shake it. We're in the crappiest division and we're near the bottom.

Witht hat being said, we're not that far away; honestly we weren't last year either and could have stayed near that level but we again just let things pan out with the youngsters....who have not developed.

It's time for Ted to stay awake the first few weeks of free agency when all of the players come off the board instead of seeing how thing play out.

I think he's capable of doing that; but maybe I'm wrong.

He did sign Pickett fairly early and beat out at least one team that wanted him.

[BEARMAN]

Sour Grapes ?

[cheesner]

How many years does Ted get a free pass ? I don't find sub .500 acceptable no matter how I shake it. We're in the crappiest division and we're near the bottom.

Last season we were an OT loss away from the Superbowl. I expected to be very competitive this season and it just hasn't gone that way. Did TT need to improve the team or go after big name FAs to be good? No, we were already good. I expected more young players to step forward this season and perhaps push us into the dominating catagory.

The offense is there, IMHO. The defense has been the big let down. It is part due to injuries, and part due to veterans in the decline. But, the main reason for our troubles is defensive coaching. I think the defense has improved in talent, and yet is doing worse.

[Dabaddestbear]

Re: Packers just got unlucky this year

Not even factoring in the bad officiating that has plagued some of the Packers games, I'm watching this game where the Saints are playing the Bears and it's amazing how Brees goes from playing the best game ever against the Packers to looking like total crap against the Bears. I'm pretty sure that when we play the Jaguars Sunday that they won't fumble away the game in the first 2 minutes either. It's just been that type of year for the Pack, where they get everyone when they're hot. We played Houston just as they finally get Schaub back too. Wonderful. This leads me to believe that when you play someone is just as important as anything else, thoughts?

The Bears put a good rush on him and thats why he looked like crap. Funny how when the Bears beat an opponent some of you say "the other team" just played like crap instead of the Bears just outplaying them. Any Given Sunday , is why this game is played. Brees rarely gets touched or sacked, the Bears did a lot of both in comparison. Keep in mind if it wasnt for the goal line fumble this game wouldn't have even been close. Or the OBVIOUS pass interference that should have been called against them when they wrapped up Olsen in the end zone. But enough of that... Why are you talking about the Bears anyway when trying to explain the Packers major suckage this season? I understand that the Bears were predicted to finish no better than second to last in the Division this year, while the Pack was favored to win it by most, and that gets under your skin. But get over it.

Also just as amusing how when a Bear fan say the Packers just got lucky, some of you are quick to shout sour grapes..but when you are having a bad season you like to put "luck" back into play. Why cant you just admit when your team is sucking or playing like crap? Hell, even as a Bears fan I do.

[Dabaddestbear]

Yea there is never luck envolved at all . I suppose Chicago getting a favorable pass interference call to win the game isn't in the least bit lucky.

Ya, not like the red didn't screw the Bears five minutes earlier by ignoring the obvious pass interference call against Olsen in the end zone

He didn't call the obvious one in the end zone, true. I thought that should have been called. I can not believe that the refs called the 2nd one though as that was truly game changing. They basically gave the Bears the win on the second PI, which was a horrible call.

Even the second one was not a horrible call. If its pass interference you call it.
He grabbed him...so please tell me how that WASNT pass interference?
-- I cant wait to hear this one.

[Dabaddestbear]

No one even posted about the Saints being without the best OL which happens to be there pro bowl LT vs bears. Most of the pressure that effected Brees was from the left side of the line, by Alex Brown.

uh, and no one talked about how the Bears have NO pro-bowlers on the O-line this year. So that should have made it balanced at the least. Nor did we have any D-linemen rushing him on either end.
Next point?

[texaspackerbacker]

I repost this because I STILL haven't gotten any answers as to HOW the things I mentioned are somehow NOT bad luck.

Good teams don't rely on luck? Come on! They are good teams BECAUSE they are lucky. Ask the Patriots about that from last year to this--or Indy from early in the season 'til now.

I see some people still aren't willing to accept the obvious--bad luck--this is a snake-bit season.

Sure, we have some weaknesses in the O-Line and D-Line ..... and linebacker and safety and earlier at RB and corner, even a slight shortage at WR for a few games. How can you call that anything but LUCK?

And as KY pointed out, there has been some other "shitty" luck too--just enough to cost us games in several cases. And yeah, things went the other way last season. I was reluctant to admit it before the season, just like a lot of negativists are hesitating to admit it now, but we had great luck last season--scheduling, injuries, close games. And this year is in the toilet because that LUCK has gone the other way.

And don't tell me good teams overcome it. There have been a lot of major disappointments this season. We play possibly the worst of those next Sunday. Sure, it isn't all luck, but I'm just saying, pvercoming adversity is something that usually doesn't happen--and when it does, there's often an element of LUCK there too.

Tex you fucking crack me up!!!! If you believe this is all bad luck and not a lot of horrible planning and mismanagement from TT as far as depth and talent on the D side of the ball THEN you should have no problem believing it really is bad Karma because of Favre's whole family poking needles in voodoo dolls of TT back in Mississippi.!!!!!!!!

Did I ever say ALL bad luck? Hell No. Partly, probably mostly bad luck though? No question about it. Unless you believe the conditioning coach is negligent or something silly like that, the injuries are 100% bad luck. Catching teams at the good time of their season instead of when they are down? How is that not luck? Bad officiating? Near misses? Grant breaking big runs last year and getting brought down by the last defender this year? Crosby missing a kick he usually makes that costs a game? the Smith catch for Carolina and several similar instances? Sure, it ain't ALL luck, but are you gonna claim that it ain't in large part, bad luck?

[esoxx]

Last year was mostly the result of good luck.

This year was mostly the result of bad luck.

Hopefully next year the Packers can get back to lucky football.

Playing with pride, poise, disclipline, passion, and execution is way over-rated.