Packers just got unlucky this year

[channtheman]

Re: Packers just got unlucky this year

Not even factoring in the bad officiating that has plagued some of the Packers games, I'm watching this game where the Saints are playing the Bears and it's amazing how Brees goes from playing the best game ever against the Packers to looking like total crap against the Bears. I'm pretty sure that when we play the Jaguars Sunday that they won't fumble away the game in the first 2 minutes either. It's just been that type of year for the Pack, where they get everyone when they're hot. We played Houston just as they finally get Schaub back too. Wonderful. This leads me to believe that when you play someone is just as important as anything else, thoughts?

The Bears put a good rush on him and thats why he looked like crap. Funny how when the Bears beat an opponent some of you say "the other team" just played like crap instead of the Bears just outplaying them. Any Given Sunday , is why this game is played. Brees rarely gets touched or sacked, the Bears did a lot of both in comparison. Keep in mind if it wasnt for the goal line fumble this game wouldn't have even been close. Or the OBVIOUS pass interference that should have been called against them when they wrapped up Olsen in the end zone. But enough of that... Why are you talking about the Bears anyway when trying to explain the Packers major suckage this season? I understand that the Bears were predicted to finish no better than second to last in the Division this year, while the Pack was favored to win it by most, and that gets under your skin. But get over it.

Also just as amusing how when a Bear fan say the Packers just got lucky, some of you are quick to shout sour grapes..but when you are having a bad season you like to put "luck" back into play. Why cant you just admit when your team is sucking or playing like crap? Hell, even as a Bears fan I do.

Oh come on now. Don't get so mad that even when the Bears have a "good" season that they still don't make the playoffs.

[channtheman]

Yea there is never luck envolved at all . I suppose Chicago getting a favorable pass interference call to win the game isn't in the least bit lucky.

Ya, not like the red didn't screw the Bears five minutes earlier by ignoring the obvious pass interference call against Olsen in the end zone

He didn't call the obvious one in the end zone, true. I thought that should have been called. I can not believe that the refs called the 2nd one though as that was truly game changing. They basically gave the Bears the win on the second PI, which was a horrible call.

Even the second one was not a horrible call. If its pass interference you call it.
He grabbed him...so please tell me how that WASNT pass interference?
-- I cant wait to hear this one.

I didn't record the game so I can't go back and rewatch it, but I recall thinking that it was a VERY ticky tack call that should not have been made, especially in the situation of overtime where that basically gives the other team the win. I think the Saint didn't look back but kinda ran into the receiver just as the ball was getting there. That is not PI. Maybe face guarding for not looking back and I don't know what the penalty for that is but it was definitely not a PI penalty.

[channtheman]

One last point that is kind of off topic. Does ANYONE else think that the eye roll emoticon is totally annoying. I feel bad when I see someone using it because I just can't help but feel that instead of actually putting forth an argument, that they would rather instead show everyone how dumb they think you are by rolling their eyes like a little teenage girl.



Pretty fucking annoying, eh?

[Dabaddestbear]

Yea there is never luck envolved at all . I suppose Chicago getting a favorable pass interference call to win the game isn't in the least bit lucky.

Ya, not like the red didn't screw the Bears five minutes earlier by ignoring the obvious pass interference call against Olsen in the end zone

He didn't call the obvious one in the end zone, true. I thought that should have been called. I can not believe that the refs called the 2nd one though as that was truly game changing. They basically gave the Bears the win on the second PI, which was a horrible call.

Even the second one was not a horrible call. If its pass interference you call it.
He grabbed him...so please tell me how that WASNT pass interference?
-- I cant wait to hear this one.

I didn't record the game so I can't go back and rewatch it, but I recall thinking that it was a VERY ticky tack call that should not have been made, especially in the situation of overtime where that basically gives the other team the win. I think the Saint didn't look back but kinda ran into the receiver just as the ball was getting there. That is not PI. Maybe face guarding for not looking back and I don't know what the penalty for that is but it was definitely not a PI penalty.

If you run into a player as the ball is getting there it is considered pass interference. He grabbed his damn arm and some jersey..lol.

[Dabaddestbear]

One last point that is kind of off topic. Does ANYONE else think that the eye roll emoticon is totally annoying. I feel bad when I see someone using it because I just can't help but feel that instead of actually putting forth an argument, that they would rather instead show everyone how dumb they think you are by rolling their eyes like a little teenage girl.



Pretty fucking annoying, eh?

well take it up with your Admin buddy. And since majority of the posters on here use it, i guess you are in the minority.
--pretty cool if u ask me. -- I bet you think the wink is annoying also cuz it seems like it is making fun of one eyed people..lol

[Dabaddestbear]

Re: Packers just got unlucky this year

Not even factoring in the bad officiating that has plagued some of the Packers games, I'm watching this game where the Saints are playing the Bears and it's amazing how Brees goes from playing the best game ever against the Packers to looking like total crap against the Bears. I'm pretty sure that when we play the Jaguars Sunday that they won't fumble away the game in the first 2 minutes either. It's just been that type of year for the Pack, where they get everyone when they're hot. We played Houston just as they finally get Schaub back too. Wonderful. This leads me to believe that when you play someone is just as important as anything else, thoughts?

The Bears put a good rush on him and thats why he looked like crap. Funny how when the Bears beat an opponent some of you say "the other team" just played like crap instead of the Bears just outplaying them. Any Given Sunday , is why this game is played. Brees rarely gets touched or sacked, the Bears did a lot of both in comparison. Keep in mind if it wasnt for the goal line fumble this game wouldn't have even been close. Or the OBVIOUS pass interference that should have been called against them when they wrapped up Olsen in the end zone. But enough of that... Why are you talking about the Bears anyway when trying to explain the Packers major suckage this season? I understand that the Bears were predicted to finish no better than second to last in the Division this year, while the Pack was favored to win it by most, and that gets under your skin. But get over it.

Also just as amusing how when a Bear fan say the Packers just got lucky, some of you are quick to shout sour grapes..but when you are having a bad season you like to put "luck" back into play. Why cant you just admit when your team is sucking or playing like crap? Hell, even as a Bears fan I do.

Oh come on now. Don't get so mad that even when the Bears have a "good" season that they still don't make the playoffs.

Well they were predicted to be next to last in the NFC. But how must you feel that the Pack was predicted to win the division and some pack fans were even talking about sneaking into the SB. -- You may have been one of them..let me check.

[Fred's Slacks]

If you run into a player as the ball is getting there it is considered pass interference. He grabbed his damn arm and some jersey..lol.

Not commenting on the play you guys are refering to but this is one thing that really gets me sometimes. You'll have a receiver who has burned his guy so badly that he's 5 yds past him. Then the QB throws such a piss poor pass that the receiver comes to an abrupt and complete stop to come back for it. Meanwhile the db, trying to catch up, can't stop and runs into the receiver and draws a interference flag. I remember a good example of this in the Carolina Tampa game were Delhome badly under threw a receiver. Ref's need to stop bailing QB's out for piss poor throws. It's one thing when there's tight coverage and the QB throws to the back shoulder, but when the guy has a step the QB should be leading the receiver.

[Rastak]

I'm with ya Fred. In the play being discussed above it did appear the dude grabbed the receiver's arm but you're general observation is one I agree with. If the DB is turned around and playing the ball, he should be able to run the dude over but if he's keeps running head down and bowls over a guy trying to catch the ball I can see why the cal is made.


Pass interference is certainly a judgement call but I'd like for teams to be able to challenge that call and perhaps the ref who threw the flag could be the one to go under the hood and review his call. I can see how it could promote discord amongst the officiating teams to have their teammates overrule judgement calls and that might avoid this pitfall.

[MJZiggy]

Question becomes then what happens when you get a guy who's never willing to admit he made a mistake...

[Rastak]

Question becomes then what happens when you get a guy who's never willing to admit he made a mistake...

Then he get's graded and fired at best or nothing changes in those instances at worst.

[MJZiggy]

But if nothing changes, you've got coaches blowing timeouts on challenges when there's really no hope of overturning the call...I think it should be the head ref to review it. They all work under him anyway...

[Rastak]

But if nothing changes, you've got coaches blowing timeouts on challenges when there's really no hope of overturning the call...I think it should be the head ref to review it. They all work under him anyway...

First off you said "what if a guy never admits he's wrong". Are you assuming that's everyone?

Look at it this way. Refs blow pass interference calls all the time. And they can say after the game when being reviewed on performance "it was a bang bang play and that's what I saw". That argument is fine and true even. If a coach throws a red flag and the replay clearly shows this yet the guy making the call doesn't change it, don't you think he'll get marked down for this? No replay, he likely wouldn't.

In addition, if it's close, don't challenge it.

One final point, have you seen plays reviewed where they seem to blow it on review? I sure have. I don't see where it would be all that different. Keep in mind, these can be 50 yard penalties. Having some recourse on obvious bad calls is a positive in my book.

[Dabaddestbear]

If you run into a player as the ball is getting there it is considered pass interference. He grabbed his damn arm and some jersey..lol.

Not commenting on the play you guys are refering to but this is one thing that really gets me sometimes. You'll have a receiver who has burned his guy so badly that he's 5 yds past him. Then the QB throws such a piss poor pass that the receiver comes to an abrupt and complete stop to come back for it. Meanwhile the db, trying to catch up, can't stop and runs into the receiver and draws a interference flag. I remember a good example of this in the Carolina Tampa game were Delhome badly under threw a receiver. Ref's need to stop bailing QB's out for piss poor throws. It's one thing when there's tight coverage and the QB throws to the back shoulder, but when the guy has a step the QB should be leading the receiver.

I agree with you. Dammit! I just agreed with a Packer fan!

[MJZiggy]

But if nothing changes, you've got coaches blowing timeouts on challenges when there's really no hope of overturning the call...I think it should be the head ref to review it. They all work under him anyway...

First off you said "what if a guy never admits he's wrong". Are you assuming that's everyone?

Look at it this way. Refs blow pass interference calls all the time. And they can say after the game when being reviewed on performance "it was a bang bang play and that's what I saw". That argument is fine and true even. If a coach throws a red flag and the replay clearly shows this yet the guy making the call doesn't change it, don't you think he'll get marked down for this? No replay, he likely wouldn't.

In addition, if it's close, don't challenge it.

One final point, have you seen plays reviewed where they seem to blow it on review? I sure have. I don't see where it would be all that different. Keep in mind, these can be 50 yard penalties. Having some recourse on obvious bad calls is a positive in my book.

I'm not saying in any way that these calls shouldn't be reviewed. I'm all for reviewing any call at anytime to be sure you have it right. I just don't think that it should be the same ref who made the bad call having to go out in front of 70K people and a national TV audience and saying, "uhhh....well, yeah. I fucked that one up." I'd rather the head ref do it. I think if the ref want to take a look before they throw a flag in the first place, that's fine too.