Official PACKERS vs. jags Gameday Thread

[HarveyWallbangers]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

No idea where you're getting those numbers, because they're way, way off.
Through 13 games, 27.3 pts/game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by..._group=Defense

He's taking out defense/special teams TD's I assume.

Still wouldn't make it under 20 points/game.

9 defensive/STs TDs in 13 games is 4.8 points/game. We averaged 27.3 points/game. You do the math. Not that hard. BTW, that offensive points/game easily ranked in the top half of the league. Other teams do get defensive/STs TDs also.

[Partial]

Dude, we average < 20 points a game now offensively.

Ummm... wrong again. I'm tired of correcting you on this. Before today, we averaged 22.5 points/game on offense--which was easily in the top 1/2 of the league.

27.3 pts/game going into today's game which is 4th in the NFL. Defense easily in the bottom half.

No, that is total points. Our defense and special teams are leading the league in points scored, providing a HUGE "bailout" to the offense.

Our offense is scoring < 20 ppg now, and that is simply not getting it done.

They didn't score any this game...

Right.. It seems when the offense doesn't get bailed out by the D, we don't win. Even in the Detroit game, we couldn't score in the second half and blew a late game lead... only to have the D come and make some key turnovers and put up some points.

[Partial]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

[Partial]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

No idea where you're getting those numbers, because they're way, way off.
Through 13 games, 27.3 pts/game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by..._group=Defense

No, that is SCORING. SCORING != OFFENSIVE SCORING. Christ, its like herding sheep. According to what fox said last week, the D and ST just cleared the 100 point mark for the season. I took the (total points scored - 100) / 13. 20.1 after last week.

Now we're < 20. Pathetic.

[MJZiggy]

Nice idea, P, but there are some points in the game that are more important than others. The last couple minutes of the game is one of those points. If you give the game away at the end, it's pretty damned important.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Partial,

Are we averaging under 20 points/game offensively?

[arcilite]

Man, you talk to fans of other teams and listen to the media and they all say Rodgers is exceeding expectations and is a good QB, and has a promising future in Green Bay.

You come to this forum and people talk about how much he sucks and how the offense sucks because of him and TT made the wrong choice and we need to find a new QB now.


Some people are just looney.

[Partial]

Our team sucks. Aaron Rodgers is a journeyman quarterback.

Hey, this is when you bring up the "fact" that our offense averages under 20 points/game again.

What do you mean "fact". It is a completely indisputable fact.

Last week it was 20.1. Now its dipped under 20. Our offense has performed worse and worse as game footage has become available on our newly veteran quarterback.

No idea where you're getting those numbers, because they're way, way off.
Through 13 games, 27.3 pts/game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/by..._group=Defense

He's taking out defense/special teams TD's I assume.

Still wouldn't make it under 20 points/game.

9 defensive/STs TDs in 13 games is 4.8 points/game. We averaged 27.3 points/game. You do the math. Not that hard. BTW, that offensive points/game easily ranked in the top half of the league. Other teams do get defensive/STs TDs also.

I'm going off of what Fox said. They said we cleared the 100 point mark for our defense and special teams last week.

(total points - 100)/13 = 20.1. Now, we're < 20 using the numbers given to us by a professional, credible organization. I don't have the time to go look it up.

We're leading the league according to the same org in D & ST scoring, so there is something to be said for that.

[arcilite]

You sure they said 100 point mark?

I dont have the figures but that means we have scored over 14 defensive / ST touchdowns.

Does not sound right.

[Partial]

Nice idea, P, but there are some points in the game that are more important than others. The last couple minutes of the game is one of those points. If you give the game away at the end, it's pretty damned important.

No, there is not. That is what someone who doesn't understand probablility, basic logic, etc thinks.

Every minute is as valuable as the rest. The only fact that matters is we gave up 20 points.. A solid defensive effort.

We scored 16. A piss poor offensive effort. Not even enough for the all-time greatest defense in the history of the NFL to have a chance to win. Baltimore in 2000 is on record saying they do not expect to win if the defense does not get 17 points.

Did we get 17 points Zig? Did we? The answer is No. Is our defense as good as the all-time greatest defense in the rich history of the NFL? No, its not. So 20 points is reasonable.

We should be able to score 20+ points with an average QB, solid receivers, solid OL, and average RBs.

[Partial]

You sure they said 100 point mark?

I dont have the figures but that means we have scored over 14 defensive / ST touchdowns.

Does not sound right.

I have no idea if its right or not, it was a figure that was discussed and displayed on the tv by Fox during last weeks game.

[cpk1994]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

Christ are you this stupid in ral life. They gave up 14 pts in the 4th quarterand blew ANOTHER late lead. THE DEFENSE IS NOT DOING ITS FUCKING JOB. Quit making excuses for them just so you can bash Rodgers.

[Brohm]

Stats from NFL.com (double-check at will)

(355 total points - 63 points D/ST TD's)/13 = 22.2

with today:

(371 - 63)/14 = 22

Above 20, but still mediocre.

I wouldn't put it all on Rodgers though, the offensive playcalling in key situations has been dismal.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Partial,

Just admit you were talking out of your ass, and move on.

[dissident94]

Someone tell me how many points Green Bay scored in the second half. Please tell me that. Then explain to me they are not equally to blame