Official PACKERS vs. jags Gameday Thread

[Brohm]

He is a first yeasr starter. That is a fact. I did not call him a rookie and I don't think he is playing like one. Where did I give him a free pass? I didn't.

[Partial]

I don't put much blame on Rodgers personally. He is the QB of the O, and the leader, so he has to take some. The offense needs to get going, though, and start creating.

The offense is to blame for this one no doubt.

[arcilite]

What about all those 3rd and longs that we converted today because of Rodgers?


Only to not be able to convert when we ran the ball on 3rd and short?

[Gunakor]

What physical tools is he lacking? He is no Favre but infinately better than the Wrights, Dilwigs and Kiels we have had to trot out there pre-Brett. He is a 24 y/o first year starter with upside. We also have developmental talent behind him.

He has all the physical talent in the world.

He's surprisingly spry and athletic. He has a big time arm.

The first year starter bit is getting old. This is his 4th year, and he has now played an entire season. How many more games does he get a free pass?

How much game experience did Rodgers get sitting behind Ironman for 3 years? Do you honestly think a QB will become a veteran player by holding a clipboard?

The players on defense have been playing for more than one full season. How many more games do they get a free pass for giving up a winning score in the 4th quarter?

[cpk1994]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

Christ are you this stupid in ral life. They gave up 14 pts in the 4th quarterand blew ANOTHER late lead. THE DEFENSE IS NOT DOING ITS FUCKING JOB. Quit making excuses for them just so you can bash Rodgers.

And where the blame on the offense? IF the offense built a bigger lead, then the defensive collaspe wouldn't have mattered.

Teams are going to score points in 60 minutes. It's a fact of life. Our offense evidently does not agree with this

I want Vanilla Bob gone as much as anybody... but to blame the defense is dumb.

How can you give the offense a free pass when tehy scored one touchdown? The defense gave up TWO touchdowns. That is completely acceptable in my book.

If we had won 55-20, you would be talking about what a great game the O and D played.

But, since our offense is inept, the defense gets the blame for giving up 20 points over 60 minutes.

How can you not blame the defense? How many times does the defense have to surrender a 4th quarter lead until you take your head out of your ass and quit making excuses for them? Yeah the defefnse only gave up 2 touchdowns, BUT IN THE 4TH QUARTER WHEN THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE!. I hate to say it, but you truly are ignorant.

[cpk1994]

What physical tools is he lacking? He is no Favre but infinately better than the Wrights, Dilwigs and Kiels we have had to trot out there pre-Brett. He is a 24 y/o first year starter with upside. We also have developmental talent behind him.

He has all the physical talent in the world.

He's surprisingly spry and athletic. He has a big time arm.

The first year starter bit is getting old. This is his 4th year, and he has now played an entire season. How many more games does he get a free pass?

How much game experience did Rodgers get sitting behind Ironman for 3 years? Do you honestly think a QB will become a veteran player by holding a clipboard?

The players on defense have been playing for more than one full season. How many more games do they get a free pass for giving up a winning score in the 4th quarter?

AMEN!

[Partial]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

Christ are you this stupid in ral life. They gave up 14 pts in the 4th quarterand blew ANOTHER late lead. THE DEFENSE IS NOT DOING ITS FUCKING JOB. Quit making excuses for them just so you can bash Rodgers.

And where the blame on the offense? IF the offense built a bigger lead, then the defensive collaspe wouldn't have mattered.

Teams are going to score points in 60 minutes. It's a fact of life. Our offense evidently does not agree with this

I want Vanilla Bob gone as much as anybody... but to blame the defense is dumb.

How can you give the offense a free pass when tehy scored one touchdown? The defense gave up TWO touchdowns. That is completely acceptable in my book.

If we had won 55-20, you would be talking about what a great game the O and D played.

But, since our offense is inept, the defense gets the blame for giving up 20 points over 60 minutes.

How can you not blame the defense? How many times does the defense have to surrender a 4th quarter lead until you take your head out of your ass and quit making excuses for them? Yeah the defefnse only gave up 2 touchdowns, BUT IN THE 4TH QUARTER WHEN THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE!. I hate to say it, but you truly are ignorant.

Because.. I don't expect the defense to hold the offense to one touchdown a game. That is completely unreasonable.

They gave up one touchdown in the 4th. Perhaps if the offense sustained a drive, they wouldn't have had so many opportunities at the end.

The defense doesn't get a free pass. They shouldn't have let them score then obviously. But, to blame them for giving up two touchdowns in a game is stupid.

[Partial]

What physical tools is he lacking? He is no Favre but infinately better than the Wrights, Dilwigs and Kiels we have had to trot out there pre-Brett. He is a 24 y/o first year starter with upside. We also have developmental talent behind him.

He has all the physical talent in the world.

He's surprisingly spry and athletic. He has a big time arm.

The first year starter bit is getting old. This is his 4th year, and he has now played an entire season. How many more games does he get a free pass?

How much game experience did Rodgers get sitting behind Ironman for 3 years? Do you honestly think a QB will become a veteran player by holding a clipboard?

The players on defense have been playing for more than one full season. How many more games do they get a free pass for giving up a winning score in the 4th quarter?

Yeah, I do. I think even a rookie playing 13 games is a vet.

Remember how much he struggled as a rookie and even a sophomore? Didn't he get a TON better since then? Are you telling me sitting for a few years and learning didn't turn him into a vet in terms of preparation, knowledge of the game, etc.

He now has the experience to complete his transformation into a vet.

Honestly, A-Rod probably is what he is. I don't think we'll see him getting a lot better, and while it is enough to lead a team with a ton of offensive talent to success, he's not a playmaker at the QB spot.

Defense doesn't get a free pass. They shouldn't have let them score. But, if the offense scored 21 points, which is not asking a lot by any stretch of the imagination, we win.

What if we were up 21-7 at the start of the 4th instead of 13-7. Those would have been garbage time touchdowns and a completely different story.

Sometimes I wonder if you guys think things through before you post.

[cpk1994]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

Christ are you this stupid in ral life. They gave up 14 pts in the 4th quarterand blew ANOTHER late lead. THE DEFENSE IS NOT DOING ITS FUCKING JOB. Quit making excuses for them just so you can bash Rodgers.

And where the blame on the offense? IF the offense built a bigger lead, then the defensive collaspe wouldn't have mattered.

Teams are going to score points in 60 minutes. It's a fact of life. Our offense evidently does not agree with this

I want Vanilla Bob gone as much as anybody... but to blame the defense is dumb.

How can you give the offense a free pass when tehy scored one touchdown? The defense gave up TWO touchdowns. That is completely acceptable in my book.

If we had won 55-20, you would be talking about what a great game the O and D played.

But, since our offense is inept, the defense gets the blame for giving up 20 points over 60 minutes.

How can you not blame the defense? How many times does the defense have to surrender a 4th quarter lead until you take your head out of your ass and quit making excuses for them? Yeah the defefnse only gave up 2 touchdowns, BUT IN THE 4TH QUARTER WHEN THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE!. I hate to say it, but you truly are ignorant.

Because.. I don't expect the defense to hold the offense to one touchdown a game. That is completely unreasonable.

They gave up one touchdown in the 4th. Perhaps if the offense sustained a drive, they wouldn't have had so many opportunities at the end.

The defense doesn't get a free pass. They shouldn't have let them score then obviously. But, to blame them for giving up two touchdowns in a game is stupid.

CHrist are you mentally retarded? You want to bash Rodgers so bad,m that you will exuce the defense no matter what they do? The Packers had a 9 pt lead in the 4TH QUARTER. IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE to expect the defense to make that hold up. In fact I expect the DEFNESE TO DO THEIR FUCKING JOB! YOu are aplling a double standad simply becuase of ARod. What a crock of shit.

[Gunakor]

Curious; did you watch the first half of the Jets game ? Because if you put both half's together I would disagree that Favre was horrible.

Got that right!!

According to Partial the QB's job is to get it done at the end, so according to him, Favre must have been horrible.

No, the Quarterbacks job is to put points on the board. That is the exact opposite of the point I have been making.

Games are 60 minutes long. I don't give a shit what happens in the last minute, or even the last quarter. I'm smart enough to look at the game as a whole.

We gave up 20 points in 4 quarters. We scored 16 in as much time. That is completely unacceptable from the offense, and about to be expected in a solid defensive performance.

Christ are you this stupid in ral life. They gave up 14 pts in the 4th quarterand blew ANOTHER late lead. THE DEFENSE IS NOT DOING ITS FUCKING JOB. Quit making excuses for them just so you can bash Rodgers.

And where the blame on the offense? IF the offense built a bigger lead, then the defensive collaspe wouldn't have mattered.

Teams are going to score points in 60 minutes. It's a fact of life. Our offense evidently does not agree with this

I want Vanilla Bob gone as much as anybody... but to blame the defense is dumb.

How can you give the offense a free pass when tehy scored one touchdown? The defense gave up TWO touchdowns. That is completely acceptable in my book.

If we had won 55-20, you would be talking about what a great game the O and D played.

But, since our offense is inept, the defense gets the blame for giving up 20 points over 60 minutes.

How can you not blame the defense? How many times does the defense have to surrender a 4th quarter lead until you take your head out of your ass and quit making excuses for them? Yeah the defefnse only gave up 2 touchdowns, BUT IN THE 4TH QUARTER WHEN THE GAME WAS ON THE LINE!. I hate to say it, but you truly are ignorant.

Because.. I don't expect the defense to hold the offense to one touchdown a game. That is completely unreasonable.

They gave up one touchdown in the 4th. Perhaps if the offense sustained a drive, they wouldn't have had so many opportunities at the end.

The defense doesn't get a free pass. They shouldn't have let them score then obviously. But, to blame them for giving up two touchdowns in a game is stupid.

I expect the defense to not give up any points in the 4th quarter if we have the lead. Yeah, I actually expect that from them. It's not unreasonable to expect our defense to do it's job when it matters. It's not like the offense hasn't scored any points in the 4th quarter this season...

[Cheesehead Craig]

Per NFL.com we have scored 355 total points (before today) so add in the 16 and we have 371 points scored. Also per that site, 9 TDs have come from either defense or special teams. With the XPs that would make it 63 total points scored by def or ST. So that would make our total offensive scoring at 308 pts. Divide that by 14 games and we have scored an average of 22 ppg. This puts us around the 12-14 ranking (when taking out all def scores from the other teams as well)

Our defense has given up 319 pts after 13 games with 20 more today makes it 339 total points. However there has been 1 fumble ret for a TD so taking away 7 puts it at 332. Divide that by 14 games and the defense has given up an average of 23.7 ppg. This puts us around the 25-26 ranking when taking out all def scores against other teams also.

[th87]

Per NFL.com we have scored 355 total points (before today) so add in the 16 and we have 371 points scored. Also per that site, 9 TDs have come from either defense or special teams. With the XPs that would make it 63 total points scored by def or ST. So that would make our total offensive scoring at 308 pts. Divide that by 14 games and we have scored an average of 22 ppg. This puts us around the 12-14 ranking (when taking out all def scores from the other teams as well)

Our defense has given up 319 pts after 13 games with 20 more today makes it 339 total points. However there has been 1 fumble ret for a TD so taking away 7 puts it at 332. Divide that by 14 games and the defense has given up an average of 23.7 ppg. This puts us around the 25-26 ranking when taking out all def scores against other teams also.

And we're number 1 in scoring (or thereabouts) in the 4th quarter.

Partial proves he's an idiot over and over.

[Pacopete4]

Per NFL.com we have scored 355 total points (before today) so add in the 16 and we have 371 points scored. Also per that site, 9 TDs have come from either defense or special teams. With the XPs that would make it 63 total points scored by def or ST. So that would make our total offensive scoring at 308 pts. Divide that by 14 games and we have scored an average of 22 ppg. This puts us around the 12-14 ranking (when taking out all def scores from the other teams as well)

Our defense has given up 319 pts after 13 games with 20 more today makes it 339 total points. However there has been 1 fumble ret for a TD so taking away 7 puts it at 332. Divide that by 14 games and the defense has given up an average of 23.7 ppg. This puts us around the 25-26 ranking when taking out all def scores against other teams also.

And we're number 1 in scoring (or thereabouts) in the 4th quarter.

Partial proves he's an idiot over and over.

your the idiot for not getting ur facts straight... go and check again how many the OFFENSE has scored.... embarrassing.. Rodgers folds when the games on the line.. I'm gonna start calling him Shane Falco!

[th87]

Per NFL.com we have scored 355 total points (before today) so add in the 16 and we have 371 points scored. Also per that site, 9 TDs have come from either defense or special teams. With the XPs that would make it 63 total points scored by def or ST. So that would make our total offensive scoring at 308 pts. Divide that by 14 games and we have scored an average of 22 ppg. This puts us around the 12-14 ranking (when taking out all def scores from the other teams as well)

Our defense has given up 319 pts after 13 games with 20 more today makes it 339 total points. However there has been 1 fumble ret for a TD so taking away 7 puts it at 332. Divide that by 14 games and the defense has given up an average of 23.7 ppg. This puts us around the 25-26 ranking when taking out all def scores against other teams also.

And we're number 1 in scoring (or thereabouts) in the 4th quarter.

Partial proves he's an idiot over and over.

your the idiot for not getting ur facts straight... go and check again how many the OFFENSE has scored.... embarrassing.. Rodgers folds when the games on the line.. I'm gonna start calling him Shane Falco!

CC did check that, retard. I'm so sorry that God left you short on brains.

[Bretsky]

Per NFL.com we have scored 355 total points (before today) so add in the 16 and we have 371 points scored. Also per that site, 9 TDs have come from either defense or special teams. With the XPs that would make it 63 total points scored by def or ST. So that would make our total offensive scoring at 308 pts. Divide that by 14 games and we have scored an average of 22 ppg. This puts us around the 12-14 ranking (when taking out all def scores from the other teams as well)

Our defense has given up 319 pts after 13 games with 20 more today makes it 339 total points. However there has been 1 fumble ret for a TD so taking away 7 puts it at 332. Divide that by 14 games and the defense has given up an average of 23.7 ppg. This puts us around the 25-26 ranking when taking out all def scores against other teams also.

And we're number 1 in scoring (or thereabouts) in the 4th quarter.

Partial proves he's an idiot over and over.

I have a hard time taking much stock in that

If somebody told us we were #25 in the first quarter would that mean we're unprepared coming out of the gate until we make our adjustments ?

As I noted before our both defenses today suck

If somebody told me before the game we'd only give up 20 I'd take that
If somebody told me before the game our O would only score 16 I'd have said we didn't play a good offense that game