Is AR like a hot chic that

[Bretsky]

Partial, regardless of Palmer, to even suggest that Jay Cutler is a top QB is laughable and better than Rodgers is

Cutler was 2-3 in his rookie year, 9 tds and 5 ints.

Denver was 7-9 last year. Cutler had 20 tds and 14 ints.

Denver is currently 8-6. Cutler has been the textbook definition of Jekyll and Hyde. 24 tds and 15 picks.

Not one season in the 90s for QB rating.

So would you take Rodgers over Jay Cutler long term ??

[bobblehead]

I said in no particular order.. but Carson Palmer has got to be up there. He's put up MVP numbers when healthy. His team around him always sucks.

Well too fucking bad. Stats dont tell the story remember?

Well, he took 2nd in MVP voting behind Peyton Manning. So, yeah, Wiseguy, where would you rank him with his picture perfect deep ball?

He has like ONE winning season right?? I would rank him pretty shitty based on that since that is all that matters.

[bobblehead]

Partial, regardless of Palmer, to even suggest that Jay Cutler is a top QB is laughable and better than Rodgers is

Cutler was 2-3 in his rookie year, 9 tds and 5 ints.

Denver was 7-9 last year. Cutler had 20 tds and 14 ints.

Denver is currently 8-6. Cutler has been the textbook definition of Jekyll and Hyde. 24 tds and 15 picks.

Not one season in the 90s for QB rating.

So would you take Rodgers over Jay Cutler long term ??

Yes. and before anyone tries to call me a homer again I'm the guy trying to keep jennings out of the hall of fame. (and ty...see bipartisan support for not being too much of a homer)

[HarveyWallbangers]

So would you take Rodgers over Jay Cutler long term ??

Interesting question. I don't think I would, but I wouldn't be shocked if Cutler was more Favre and Rodgers was more Brady.

If you forced me to predict how good the QBs that are 26 years old or younger (that have played a bit) will be, I'd probably go with this order:

Roethlisberger
Cutler
Ryan
Rodgers
Campbell
Cassel
Quinn
Flacco
Thigpen
Russell
Orton
Jackson
Edwards
Leinart

[Bretsky]

So would you take Rodgers over Jay Cutler long term ??

Interesting question. I don't think I would, but I wouldn't be shocked if Cutler was more Favre and Rodgers was more Brady.

If you forced me to predict how good the QBs that are 26 years old or younger (that have played a bit) will be, I'd probably go with this order:

Roethlisberger
Cutler
Ryan
Rodgers
Campbell
Cassel
Quinn
Flacco
Thigpen
Russell
Orton
Jackson
Edwards
Leinart

Completely agree; I was discussing the Packer QB with a buddy today and was asked to name the young QB's I'd take long term over him.

Ryan, Rothlisberger, and Cutler were the only three I could think of that I'd clearly favor.

[Rastak]

I would agree with those guys ahead of Rodgers...and I'd agree with him being 4th on the list. He's shown quite a bit this year.

[bobblehead]

I like ryan a lot, but he does have the best rush offense in the league setting him up and a pretty solid OLine. Talk to me in a few years before I would take him ahead of rodgers.

[Zool]

Yes.. The Packers have lost so many of their skill players because of in-team suspensions, nfl sanctioned suspensions, etc.

STFU. Seriously.

Look at the list. Who is A-Rod better than? Like I said, a few guys are banged up on their but still very good players.

I'm asking WHO?

How about comparing the first year starting for each of them? No one is saying he's the next HOF QB, but you seem to think he's TJ Rubley part 2.

Gah! Where have I said htat? I said he's an average NFL starter!!!!!! I have said he has the physical skills to be special. How does that == TJ Rubley?

Really? Do I have to link you to the multiple threads you've started?

[dissident94]

I would say Flacco might have more upside than Rodgers and possibly Cassel. They are bigger and stronger and both are mobile.

And before th A-Rod homers get crazy here. Ask yourself what would Rodgers have done if he had to start his rookie year. He was awful his rookie year in camp. Give Flacco some time and he is as good as Rothlesberger if not better.

And Cassel after the first couple of weeks might be playing the best ball of any qb in the league. My guess and I may be wrong that most teams would take both Flacco and Cassel over Rodgers.

[Freak Out]

Re: Is AR like a hot chic that

performs poorly in bed? Meaning will AR always have great stats but unable to lead the Packers to big wins?

Your comments Packers Nation?

My comments were going to send this one to the GC so I won't even go there until it is.....the pre-teens here would be offended.

[Partial]

Yes.. The Packers have lost so many of their skill players because of in-team suspensions, nfl sanctioned suspensions, etc.

STFU. Seriously.

Look at the list. Who is A-Rod better than? Like I said, a few guys are banged up on their but still very good players.

I'm asking WHO?

How about comparing the first year starting for each of them? No one is saying he's the next HOF QB, but you seem to think he's TJ Rubley part 2.

Gah! Where have I said htat? I said he's an average NFL starter!!!!!! I have said he has the physical skills to be special. How does that == TJ Rubley?

Really? Do I have to link you to the multiple threads you've started?

I would love for you to post a link where I have called him TJ Rubley.

[Pugger]

Enough of this comparing. Let's get back to talking about AR.

Rodgers has shown some good skills - he has a strong arm and can scramble out of trouble - but he has his warts too. He presses, especially late in games when he has to come thru. He's gotta to learn to take what the defense gives him. His tendency to throw INTs late in games has killed us these past few weeks. Will he improve with more experience? We all better hope so.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I would say Flacco might have more upside than Rodgers and possibly Cassel. They are bigger and stronger and both are mobile.

From what little I've seen, I'd predict both Ryan and Rodgers will have better careers than Flacco--provided they stay healthy. That's just my opinion, but I'm not as enamored with Flacco. He's big. That doesn't mean much to me. Daunte Culpepper, Jamarcus Russell, and Ryan Leaf were all big also. I prefer arm strength, accuracy, mobility, and intelligence over size.

[Zool]

Yes.. The Packers have lost so many of their skill players because of in-team suspensions, nfl sanctioned suspensions, etc.

STFU. Seriously.

Look at the list. Who is A-Rod better than? Like I said, a few guys are banged up on their but still very good players.

I'm asking WHO?

How about comparing the first year starting for each of them? No one is saying he's the next HOF QB, but you seem to think he's TJ Rubley part 2.

Gah! Where have I said htat? I said he's an average NFL starter!!!!!! I have said he has the physical skills to be special. How does that == TJ Rubley?

Really? Do I have to link you to the multiple threads you've started?

I would love for you to post a link where I have called him TJ Rubley.

Its called exaggeration smart guy.

[Gunakor]

Rodgers has shown some good skills - he has a strong arm and can scramble out of trouble - but he has his warts too. He presses, especially late in games when he has to come thru. He's gotta to learn to take what the defense gives him. His tendency to throw INTs late in games has killed us these past few weeks. Will he improve with more experience? We all better hope so.

Have we seen a QB play for the Packers at all since 1992 that didn't force throws late in games, trying to make something happen for his team? Please don't hold AR to a higher standard than BF. If one is okay with BF taking these chances and forcing these throws late in games, he'd be a hypocrit to call AR out for taking the same chances and forcing the same throws late in games.

I don't know how you felt about BF taking these chances, so I'm not calling you out for this post at all. If you were pissed at BF for forcing throws late in games, often times killing drives and securing defeat, then you should be very pissed at AR for doing the same things. I'm just trying to offer perspective on the deal, and asking that people do not hold AR to a higher standard than they held BF to.