Fire Mike McCarthy

[retailguy]

Last year, we had a solid DL, we made our game winning FG attempts, and we won the OT tosses.

Yep.

It seems really bad right now, but this season has been a season of really, really bad breaks.


This is a big fucking year for Ted and Mike though. Another year of this would NOT be acceptable.

I thought Ted was the greatest thing since sliced wheat bread?

I don't understand. Don't you just still gotta believe?

I think it's MM more than it's TT, at this point.

So then, what do you say to all the talking heads in here, who've been touting that Ted hired "his guy" to do it "his way". If this is "his way", well then.....

You don't let the top guy off the hook. He gets the glory, he gets the blame. McCarthy is a BIG problem, but not the only one. WHO is leading this locker room? Most of the leaders are GONE. We've got a few, but precious few.

THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS TEAM.

[RashanGary]

I thought Ted was the greatest thing since sliced wheat bread?

I don't understand. Don't you just still gotta believe?

You'll be seeing my mea culpa if this happens next year. I still think Ted knows football and knows how to build a team, but it's time for the results to show. All of the slack is gone. He's had plenty of time to build this thing up and now it has to show.

[esoxx]

Last year, we had a solid DL, we made our game winning FG attempts, and we won the OT tosses.

Yep.

It seems really bad right now, but this season has been a season of really, really bad breaks.


This is a big fucking year for Ted and Mike though. Another year of this would NOT be acceptable.

I thought Ted was the greatest thing since sliced wheat bread?

I don't understand. Don't you just still gotta believe?

I think it's MM more than it's TT, at this point.

TT hired MM. It starts at the top. The clock is ticking.

[Bossman641]

Is the poll whether MM should be fired or whether he is too conservative with the lead?

I agree he is too conservative.

[th87]

I'd always worried that MM has Marty Schottenheimer roots, but the Seattle playoff game put that to rest. But now it's back again. So many games lost the same way. It almost happened against Minnesota in week one.

[channtheman]

Last year, we had a solid DL, we made our game winning FG attempts, and we won the OT tosses.

Yep.

It seems really bad right now, but this season has been a season of really, really bad breaks.


This is a big fucking year for Ted and Mike though. Another year of this would NOT be acceptable.

I thought Ted was the greatest thing since sliced wheat bread?

I don't understand. Don't you just still gotta believe?

I think it's MM more than it's TT, at this point.

So then, what do you say to all the talking heads in here, who've been touting that Ted hired "his guy" to do it "his way". If this is "his way", well then.....

You don't let the top guy off the hook. He gets the glory, he gets the blame. McCarthy is a BIG problem, but not the only one. WHO is leading this locker room? Most of the leaders are GONE. We've got a few, but precious few.

THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS TEAM.

I see your point. I've liked, for the most part, how TT has drafted but he has done very little in FA that is of encouragement. IF MM is the guy and TT is dead set on that, fuck it and fire both of them. I'm not ready to accept mediocrity and MM and TT better not think we are either.

[RashanGary]

THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS TEAM.

To me, this team is no where near as bad as the 2005 team. I did not have any hope for that team.

This team has a lot of guys just entering their primes. We have a damn good 25 year old QB that should be around for a long time. We have a lot of good things going, but it's time to put it together. The base is laid and it's time to produce.

[Iron Mike]

This was the same story two years ago:

http://uwmpost.com/article/51/15/1655-For-McCarthy-it-may-not-be-fun

Where's the "Pittsburgh Toughness" that M3 was hired based upon???

[channtheman]

Is the poll whether MM should be fired or whether he is too conservative with the lead?

I agree he is too conservative.

I can see how that is misleading with the Topic title being what you think that the poll is for. The poll is for him being too conservative.

[channtheman]

This was the same story two years ago:

http://uwmpost.com/article/51/15/1655-For-McCarthy-it-may-not-be-fun

Where's the "Pittsburgh Toughness" that M3 was hired based upon???

I have no clue but yeah MM, not for long.

[superfan]

I voted yes to the poll question, which has nothing to do with the thread title of "Fire Mike McCarthy".

[Vent]
McCarthy should NOT be fired. This has been a tough season with an absurd amount of misfortune. Last year McCarthy coached a 13-3 team that made it to the NFC Championship team. That team had more than its share of good fortune, this year the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction.

Firing the head coach means starting over with a new regime. This team has been a bounce/call/play away from winning at least half of the games they have lost. It would be stupid to start over with a new head coach. That is what loser franchises do, the ones that can't ever dig their way up from the bottom. They think the next head coach will be the next savior, and it almost never is. Reference Steve Mariucci, Rod Marinelli, Romeo Crennel, Marvin Lewis, Herm Edwards. In the college ranks, Charlie Weis, Rich Rodriguez and Bill Callahan come to mind. Switch to basketball and you get Kelvin Sampson to name one, I'm sure there are countless others who have failed to turn their team around.

If you fire the head coach, you are already putting yourself in a negative position going in to next year, as first year coaches rarely succeed, or even equal the win total from the previous season. Usually takes that coach several seasons just to equal the win totals of their predecessors.

And if you are going to suggest firing the head coach, at least suggest some alternatives. Who would be a better option for the Packers than McCarthy at this point? If Vince Lombardi was the head coach, would the punt not have hit Bush in the leg? Would Crosby make the game winning FG rather than have it blocked?
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[channtheman]

I voted yes to the poll question, which has nothing to do with the thread title of "Fire Mike McCarthy".

[Vent]
McCarthy should NOT be fired. This has been a tough season with an absurd amount of misfortune. Last year McCarthy coached a 13-3 team that made it to the NFC Championship team. That team had more than its share of good fortune, this year the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction.

Firing the head coach means starting over with a new regime. This team has been a bounce/call/play away from winning at least half of the games they have lost. It would be stupid to start over with a new head coach. That is what loser franchises do, the ones that can't ever dig their way up from the bottom. They think the next head coach will be the next savior, and it almost never is. Reference Steve Mariucci, Rod Marinelli, Romeo Crennel, Marvin Lewis, Herm Edwards. In the college ranks, Charlie Weis, Rich Rodriguez and Bill Callahan come to mind. Switch to basketball and you get Kelvin Sampson to name one, I'm sure there are countless others who have failed to turn their team around.

If you fire the head coach, you are already putting yourself in a negative position going in to next year, as first year coaches rarely succeed, or even equal the win total from the previous season. Usually takes that coach several seasons just to equal the win totals of their predecessors.

And if you are going to suggest firing the head coach, at least suggest some alternatives. Who would be a better option for the Packers than McCarthy at this point? If Vince Lombardi was the head coach, would the punt not have hit Bush in the leg? Would Crosby make the game winning FG rather than have it blocked?
[/Vent]

Yeah it had more to do with what I started talking about in the original post. Sorry if that offended and/or annoyed you so much.

If Lombardi is the coach he has already told his player to move up 10 yards on the punts because the previous one before had bounced as well. If Blackmon moves up, Bush is in front of him, and the ball either goes over Blackmon's head or Blackmon catches it. The ball doesn't hit Bush in the leg.

Lombardi would not have been a pussy and settled on the field goal. He would have not run 3 times when everyone knew you were going to. It comes down to the coach and MM isn't getting the job done one way or another.

[Gunakor]

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Lombardi would not have been a pussy and settled on the field goal. He would have not run 3 times when everyone knew you were going to. It comes down to the coach and MM isn't getting the job done one way or another.

Umm, according to archived interviews with Jerry Kramer, yes he would have. The opponent just wouldn't have stopped it.

[channtheman]

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Lombardi would not have been a pussy and settled on the field goal. He would have not run 3 times when everyone knew you were going to. It comes down to the coach and MM isn't getting the job done one way or another.

Umm, according to archived interviews with Jerry Kramer, yes he would have. The opponent just wouldn't have stopped it.

I should have added "when we suck ass at running" to the end of that. Basically I meant Lombardi would not have settled for the field goal.

[GrnBay007]

Re: Fire Mike McCarthy

I don't know if Favre changed plays last year but I have to assume he went to the huddle and said "Fuck you MM, we play to win. Not to not lose." Favre changed plays and Rodgers doesn't. But MM shouldn't be calling such a stupid ass second half when throwing the ball is working. Rodgers can't win a fucking game at the end because MM takes it out of his hands and hopes the field goal will win it. MM plays everything by the books and it is so obvious what he will always do. IMO, we will not win a SB until MM goes.

Maybe Favre did go in and change plays last year. Maybe that was all the more reason TT and MM were happy to let him go. So they decide Rodgers takes over. Major division of the fan base due to this decision. (obviously) They want Rodgers to control the game and not go out and try to put the game on his shoulders to win it....therefore limiting him. MM plays by his book...and the book is not winning games, sorry. Their game plan for this season did NOT work. I'm rooting for Rodgers, unlike what one particular dick poster has accused me of. Rodgers is a good QB. They should have allowed him to go out and win games. I believe they played the QB position conservatively this season due to the events that took place during the off season with Favre. I believe they did it to save face with Packer fans more than to win games. They wanted to put Rodgers out there and control the game and not throw interceptions and they thought that would be enough to win the division.

I think they game planned this whole season on making their decision look right, rather than to win games!!

So yeah, I do blame the GM and the HC. They should have made their decision and then made a plan to win games with their QB. IMO Rodgers wasn't given not only the chances he deserved this season, but also that he was very capable of.

And from what I was told by a GB native that lives near MM he's grown to be a part of a GB click....something they've never seen a GB coach do...at least to their knowledge pre-Holdgrem years.