Fire Mike McCarthy

[superfan]

Yeah it had more to do with what I started talking about in the original post. Sorry if that offended and/or annoyed you so much.

None of my original post was directed to you or your post, channtheman. That has just been building up for the last few weeks, and I don't post much anymore, just needed to let it all out.

If Lombardi is the coach he has already told his player to move up 10 yards on the punts because the previous one before had bounced as well. If Blackmon moves up, Bush is in front of him, and the ball either goes over Blackmon's head or Blackmon catches it. The ball doesn't hit Bush in the leg.

Lombardi would not have been a pussy and settled on the field goal. He would have not run 3 times when everyone knew you were going to. It comes down to the coach and MM isn't getting the job done one way or another.

Maybe Lombardi would have done those things, maybe he wouldn't have. That is pure conjecture. My point is that no coach is perfect, and IMO starting over at the coaching position at this point would do more harm than good. If you disagree, that's fine, we can agree to disagree. I will stand by my opinion that the current coaching staff (except maybe the DC and special teams coach) are capable of succeeding with this team. If there are reports that McCarthy has lost the players, then I will start entertaining the notion that he should be let go.

[Bossman641]

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I don't know if Favre changed plays last year but I have to assume he went to the huddle and said "Fuck you MM, we play to win. Not to not lose." Favre changed plays and Rodgers doesn't. But MM shouldn't be calling such a stupid ass second half when throwing the ball is working. Rodgers can't win a fucking game at the end because MM takes it out of his hands and hopes the field goal will win it. MM plays everything by the books and it is so obvious what he will always do. IMO, we will not win a SB until MM goes.

Maybe Favre did go in and change plays last year. Maybe that was all the more reason TT and MM were happy to let him go. So they decide Rodgers takes over. Major division of the fan base due to this decision. (obviously) They want Rodgers to control the game and not go out and try to put the game on his shoulders to win it....therefore limiting him. MM plays by his book...and the book is not winning games, sorry. Their game plan for this season did NOT work. I'm rooting for Rodgers, unlike what one particular dick poster has accused me of. Rodgers is a good QB. They should have allowed him to go out and win games. I believe they played the QB position conservatively this season due to the events that took place during the off season with Favre. I believe they did it to save face with Packer fans more than to win games. They wanted to put Rodgers out there and control the game and not throw interceptions and they thought that would be enough to win the division.
I think they game planned this whole season on making their decision look right, rather than to win games!!
So yeah, I do blame the GM and the HC. They should have made their decision and then made a plan to win games with their QB. IMO Rodgers wasn't given not only the chances he deserved this season, but also that he was very capable of.

And from what I was told by a GB native that lives near MM he's grown to be a part of a GB click....something they've never seen a GB coach do...at least to their knowledge pre-Holdgrem years.

I'm sorry but this is 100% garbage and I find it very difficult to even begin believing.

And maybe Favre took a shit in MM's shoes and pissed in TT's coffee and that's why they wanted him gone.

Let me clarify here. I don't disagree that MM didn't expect to have to count on Rodgers to come in and lead the game-winning drive every week. The foundation of this team was supposed to be the defense and special teams, with a ball control offense that relied on short passing and the running game.

I do disaagree with your point that TT and MM have been more concerned with Rodgers' stats and making him look good then winning games. That's how I took your post. If I comprehended it incorrectly I apologize.

[superfan]

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Interesting post, GB007. I can understand your sentiment, although I disagree with some of it. Mostly I think the defense has let this team down more than the offense, regardless of some mistakes on the offensive side. I'm curious about this statement:

And from what I was told by a GB native that lives near MM he's grown to be a part of a GB click....something they've never seen a GB coach do...at least to their knowledge pre-Holdgrem years.

What exactly is a "GB click"? Are you referring to special treatment for some players, or something to do with the city itself?

[oregonpackfan]

Mike Holmgren's available..

Best coach I've witnessed in charge of GB

Even better than Vince Lombardi!?

[TravisWilliams23]

The play calling is very confusing.

At times he does very good: 2nd QTR 4th and 2 fake punt call from Chi 37 yard line. Leads to TD pass to Jennings.

4th QTR 4th and 1 call on Wynn 4 yard run to the 5. But then instead of
keeping Wynn in and ramming it in, he decides to pass-incomplete,QB sneak-5 yard loss, and it puts him in a 3rd goal from the 10.

I just seems like this year whenever anything could go bad it did.
Crosby hit that last FG attempt too low. That's not on MM. Your kicker
has to make that kick.

Normally I'd be really pissed after a game like this but this years team
has me expecting bad stuff to happen every game. I'm used to it!

[Bretsky]

Mike Holmgren's available..

Best coach I've witnessed in charge of GB

Even better than Vince Lombardi!?

I'm not that old

[Bossman641]

The play calling is very confusing.

At times he does very good: 2nd QTR 4th and 2 fake punt call from Chi 37 yard line. Leads to TD pass to Jennings.

4th QTR 4th and 1 call on Wynn 4 yard run to the 5. But then instead of
keeping Wynn in and ramming it in, he decides to pass-incomplete,QB sneak-5 yard loss, and it puts him in a 3rd goal from the 10.

I just seems like this year whenever anything could go bad it did.
Crosby hit that last FG attempt too low. That's not on MM. Your kicker
has to make that kick.

Normally I'd be really pissed after a game like this but this years team
has me expecting bad stuff to happen every game. I'm used to it!

QB scramble was a very stupid call. Incredibly stupid. Soon as they came out in 5 wide I told my brother I hated the formation.

Qb scrambles work when the DE's are moving up the field, creating lanes. Bear DE's and DT's were bull-rushing the whole time. I have no clue what MM saw to lead him to believe that would work.

[GrnBay007]

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I do disaagree with your point that TT and MM have been more concerned with Rodgers' stats and making him look good then winning games. That's how I took your post. If I comprehended it incorrectly I apologize.

I didn't say anything about Rodgers stats. I could care less about stats if the team is winning. I don't care if it's Rodgers, Favre or bozo the clown......we just want wins! I think they wanted to portray a different kind of QB...one that would manage the game and not take matters into his own hands....re: Favre. I think there have been times this season that Rodgers could have done more and was held back due to the play calling.

[superfan]

QB scramble was a very stupid call. Incredibly stupid. Soon as they came out in 5 wide I told my brother I hated the formation.

Qb scrambles work when the DE's are moving up the field, creating lanes. Bear DE's and DT's were bull-rushing the whole time. I have no clue what MM saw to lead him to believe that would work.

I hated the formation, but loved the call. So many times we have gone empty backfield in the redzone, when I think we should at least leave one back in there so the defense has to respect the run.

As you said, DE and DT are bullrushing up the field. That is normally an opportune time to run the sneak up the gut, which should be open as the entire DL penetrates upfield. Which is why I initially liked the call. Unfortunately, the line offered nothing in terms of interior blocking, and the play was blown up from the get go.

[Partial]

And some of you guys say that I'm off my rocker...

No way should MM be fired. Guy has shown that he can lead a team to success. This year he has to call games conservatively because he doesn't have stud QB, and he started the year with a banged up RB.

The defensive staff has got to go; not MM.

[GrnBay007]

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What exactly is a "GB click"? Are you referring to special treatment for some players, or something to do with the city itself?

Nope, had nothing to do with the team. Just that MM was/is big time involved with a circle of friends that evolved due to his marriage. The comments made were that they had not seen a GB coach get so involved in a local group/click before. It may mean nothing at all.

[Bretsky]

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What exactly is a "GB click"? Are you referring to special treatment for some players, or something to do with the city itself?

Nope, had nothing to do with the team. Just that MM was/is big time involved with a circle of friends that evolved due to his marriage. The comments made were that they had not seen a GB coach get so involved in a local group/click before. It may mean nothing at all.

Even the best of guys get dragged down by the evil chicks

[Gunakor]

And some of you guys say that I'm off my rocker...

No way should MM be fired. Guy has shown that he can lead a team to success. This year he has to call games conservatively because he doesn't have stud QB, and he started the year with a banged up RB.

The defensive staff has got to go; not MM.

100% agreed.

[Bretsky]

And some of you guys say that I'm off my rocker...

No way should MM be fired. Guy has shown that he can lead a team to success. This year he has to call games conservatively because he doesn't have stud QB, and he started the year with a banged up RB.

The defensive staff has got to go; not MM.

100% agreed.

100% agree as well

[Bossman641]

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I do disaagree with your point that TT and MM have been more concerned with Rodgers' stats and making him look good then winning games. That's how I took your post. If I comprehended it incorrectly I apologize.

I didn't say anything about Rodgers stats. I could care less about stats if the team is winning. I don't care if it's Rodgers, Favre or bozo the clown......we just want wins! I think they wanted to portray a different kind of QB...one that would manage the game and not take matters into his own hands....re: Favre. I think there have been times this season that Rodgers could have done more and was held back due to the play calling.

I see. My mistake. This is the sentence that got me.

"I think they game planned this whole season on making their decision look right, rather than to win games!! "

My bad