The 0 for 7 stat

[GrnBay007]

Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!!

Jeez, another person who can't read.

Really? LOL

It's really getting bad when one of the most reasonable posters at PR starts taking cracks at people....."can't read".

Lately everything is about STATS! All I'm saying is some people care more about Packer wins then QB stats.

[Pugger]

What I find strange is this need for some of us to find someone to blame for this dreadful season. If you think about it the list of suspects is long. Some of the guys at 1265 are more culpable than others.

TT gambled with the D line thinking we were set so he traded Williams but got burned. It got so bad we were signing street FAs and guys off practice squads just to have enough players with a pulse to suit up. He hasn't had a lot of luck getting decent O linemen either. I hope he feels the need to be more active in FA and stops picking projects in the draft!

MM and his coaching staff haven't been stellar at times either. Some of the game decisions by MM have been questionable at best and for some reason the players often show a lack of discipline with penalties and missed blocks/tackles and that you can lay at the feet of ALL of the coaches.

Rodgers has had a fairly nice year stat wise but I'm sure if you asked him he'd trade all those stats for several more wins! His biggest problem this year is his inability to finish games. Yes, other aspects of the team (D and ST) have messed up and cost us games but AR has thrown his fair share of untimely picks late in the 4th. I'm hoping this is just because he is pressing and/or his inexperience. Do you guys notice nobody talks about is fragility any more?

We should tell all of the O linemen to get in line. Every one of them has messed up one time or another at the worst possible moment either on offense or ST.

Our WRs have been one of the few bright spots but we haven't had all of them available in games very often so we haven't been able to use our 5 wide sets much.

Lee is okay but we need a hell of lot more production out of our TEs. We could also use a big bruising RB like a Marion Barber type to push the pile to convert 3rd/4th and short.

Because of the problems on the D line the defense has been atrocious this year. We have zero pass rush 98% of the time. We let even the most pedestrian QBs look like all-pros.

Our LBs have had their problems. It could go back to our D line issues but our LBs haven't been able to cover a TE all season long either and it's killed us.

Not having Bigby much this season has been one of our problems at safety. It got so bad that we were forced to put Woodson over at safety. It's a wonder how Al Harris came back from his injured spleen. Woodson has been his normal amazing self and Collins has had a nice season so both will be going to HI.

ST have not been special. Punting has been a mess and Crosby has missed a couple big kicks. Our kickoff and punt coverages have been lousy at times too. The number of big returns we give away has to stop!

[Zool]

Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!!

Jeez, another person who can't read.

Really? LOL

It's really getting bad when one of the most reasonable posters at PR starts taking cracks at people....."can't read".

Lately everything is about STATS! All I'm saying is some people care more about Packer wins then QB stats.

Exactly...dont break the Patler or the consequences will be dire.

And no 7, all people care more about wins than stats, but the wins arent here and wont be here this season. Its called a silver lining in a shit filled cloud that is the 2008 Packer season.

[Patler]

Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!!

Jeez, another person who can't read.

Really? LOL

It's really getting bad when one of the most reasonable posters at PR starts taking cracks at people....."can't read".

Lately everything is about STATS! All I'm saying is some people care more about Packer wins then QB stats.

Respected poster? You make me laugh! Respected? When you and others continually take shots at me? When you suggested that some people, by implication me, are happy if the stats are good, regardless of team success? Thank you very much! I try to open avenues for discussion, which after all was the topic of this thread, and I get ridiculed.

People can come on here, make blanket statements with no support, statements that are simply wrong. Yet because it is easier to blame one single individual rather than to actually think, and look at all causes, that post is accepted. When I point out its error, and suggest that more factors be considered, factors that may be the greater cause, I get snipes from you and others, (e.g. -"Yeah, and if grandma had balls she'd be grandpa." or "Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!! ")

[Patler]

What I find strange is this need for some of us to find someone to blame for this dreadful season. If you think about it the list of suspects is long. Some of the guys at 1265 are more culpable than others.


TT gambled ...
MM and his coaching staff haven't been stellar ....
Rodgers has ..
We should tell all of the O linemen ...
Our WRs ....
Lee ...
...the defense has been atrocious this year. We have zero pass rush 98% of the time. We let even the most pedestrian QBs look like all-pros.
Our LBs have had their problems....
Not having Bigby ...
ST have not been special...

Praise the Lord! A poster willing to think!!!!!!
Yes, the list is indeed long. Some are mistakes by the GM or coaches, some are "mistakes" (poor performance by players), some are just bad luck. Some need to be learned from and changed. Some need to be "fixed." Others will hopefully correct them selves in a new season.

[Patler]

Exactly...dont break the Patler or the consequences will be dire.

Meaning exactly what? Come on Zool. Explain yourself. I start threads and comment in threads with the hope of opening discussion, to keep this from becoming nothing but emotional bitching; and continually receive comments like that. I try to look for topics to start on days that are slow. I try to add some reality to threads that drift to nothing but emotion. I confront posters who make statements that are simply wrong factually. Yet you and many others seem to resent me more and more. Why is that?

So, let's have it. What is your problem with my postings?

[Rastak]

Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!!

Jeez, another person who can't read.

Really? LOL

It's really getting bad when one of the most reasonable posters at PR starts taking cracks at people....."can't read".

Lately everything is about STATS! All I'm saying is some people care more about Packer wins then QB stats.

Respected poster? You make me laugh! Respected? When you and others continually take shots at me? When you suggested that some people, by implication me, are happy if the stats are good, regardless of team success? Thank you very much! I try to open avenues for discussion, which after all was the topic of this thread, and I get ridiculed.

People can come on here, make blanket statements with no support, statements that are simply wrong. Yet because it is easier to blame one single individual rather than to actually think, and look at all causes, that post is accepted. When I point out its error, and suggest that more factors be considered, factors that may be the greater cause, I get snipes from you and others, (e.g. -"Yeah, and if grandma had balls she'd be grandpa." or "Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!! ")

Patler, yer an idiot. Sorry, got caught up in the crowd mentality and felt I needed to take a shot.




The 0-7 is a fact but I agree that other factors play into it far more than Rodgers play. The guy's had a pretty damn good year. This entire QB discussion is pretty crazy if you ask me. There are a few zealots on both sides that turn every single discussion into a QB battle between the old and the new.

[Gunakor]

Who cares about winning as long as the QB stats are good!!!

Well, if the QB stats weren't good, we'd have been blown out in 7 games rather than lost 7 games that came down to the wire. Looking at the W-L record by itself does not inspire optimism in the coming seasons. Looking at the solid QB stats in 7 down to the wire losses at least builds a foundation of hope going forward that an otherwise dismal season would not have allowed. It inspires confidence that things could turn around very quickly next season. It's a glass half full attitude that I wish more posters here had.

Unfortunately, too many of us are focusing on placing blame for what went wrong than on giving credit for what went right. I hope those running the show at 1265 do not have that same attitude, or nothing will ever change.

[rbaloha1]

Its actually 0-8. Two were missed/block field goals.

Plain and simple A-Rod needs to reamain composed and not force the issue.

The only way for the Packers to once again become a super bowl contender is for A-Rod to win more close games than he loses.

[Gunakor]

Its actually 0-8. Two were missed/block field goals.

Plain and simple A-Rod needs to reamain composed and not force the issue.

The only way for the Packers to once again become a super bowl contender is for A-Rod to win more close games than he loses.

I guess we see things differently. I am of the opinion that the defense and special teams need to remain composed and not force the issue. They would have been close games that swung the other way if the defense weren't guaranteed to give up points on the last of our opponent's opportunities every week. Or if our vaunted FG kicker can get his kick into the air. Or if Jarrett Bush would pull his head out of his ass at some point in his career. Or if...

A-Rod does not win games. The PACKERS win games. I don't quite understand how so many people cannot come to that realization, even after watching the offense put the winning points on the board with enough time left for just ONE possession for our opponent to tie or take the lead. Yet it's the offense's fault - or Rodgers' fault in particular? Baffling. I don't know if I'll ever be able to understand how you guys come to the conclusion that Rodgers is somehow responsible for the Packers futility this year. He's led a number of 4th quarter comebacks this year. People are so quick to forget that...

[GrnBay007]

Respected? When you and others continually take shots at me? When you suggested that some people, by implication me, are happy if the stats are good, regardless of team success?

That wasn't a shot at you Patler. I'm sorry you took it that way.

[Bretsky]

What I find strange is this need for some of us to find someone to blame for this dreadful season. If you think about it the list of suspects is long. Some of the guys at 1265 are more culpable than others.

TT gambled with the D line thinking we were set so he traded Williams but got burned. It got so bad we were signing street FAs and guys off practice squads just to have enough players with a pulse to suit up. He hasn't had a lot of luck getting decent O linemen either. I hope he feels the need to be more active in FA and stops picking projects in the draft!

MM and his coaching staff haven't been stellar at times either. Some of the game decisions by MM have been questionable at best and for some reason the players often show a lack of discipline with penalties and missed blocks/tackles and that you can lay at the feet of ALL of the coaches.

Rodgers has had a fairly nice year stat wise but I'm sure if you asked him he'd trade all those stats for several more wins! His biggest problem this year is his inability to finish games. Yes, other aspects of the team (D and ST) have messed up and cost us games but AR has thrown his fair share of untimely picks late in the 4th. I'm hoping this is just because he is pressing and/or his inexperience. Do you guys notice nobody talks about is fragility any more?

We should tell all of the O linemen to get in line. Every one of them has messed up one time or another at the worst possible moment either on offense or ST.

Our WRs have been one of the few bright spots but we haven't had all of them available in games very often so we haven't been able to use our 5 wide sets much.

Lee is okay but we need a hell of lot more production out of our TEs. We could also use a big bruising RB like a Marion Barber type to push the pile to convert 3rd/4th and short.

Because of the problems on the D line the defense has been atrocious this year. We have zero pass rush 98% of the time. We let even the most pedestrian QBs look like all-pros.

Our LBs have had their problems. It could go back to our D line issues but our LBs haven't been able to cover a TE all season long either and it's killed us.

Not having Bigby much this season has been one of our problems at safety. It got so bad that we were forced to put Woodson over at safety. It's a wonder how Al Harris came back from his injured spleen. Woodson has been his normal amazing self and Collins has had a nice season so both will be going to HI.

ST have not been special. Punting has been a mess and Crosby has missed a couple big kicks. Our kickoff and punt coverages have been lousy at times too. The number of big returns we give away has to stop!

GREAT POST

[rbaloha1]

Its actually 0-8. Two were missed/block field goals.

Plain and simple A-Rod needs to reamain composed and not force the issue.

The only way for the Packers to once again become a super bowl contender is for A-Rod to win more close games than he loses.

I guess we see things differently. I am of the opinion that the defense and special teams need to remain composed and not force the issue. They would have been close games that swung the other way if the defense weren't guaranteed to give up points on the last of our opponent's opportunities every week. Or if our vaunted FG kicker can get his kick into the air. Or if Jarrett Bush would pull his head out of his ass at some point in his career. Or if...

A-Rod does not win games. The PACKERS win games. I don't quite understand how so many people cannot come to that realization, even after watching the offense put the winning points on the board with enough time left for just ONE possession for our opponent to tie or take the lead. Yet it's the offense's fault - or Rodgers' fault in particular? Baffling. I don't know if I'll ever be able to understand how you guys come to the conclusion that Rodgers is somehow responsible for the Packers futility this year. He's led a number of 4th quarter comebacks this year. People are so quick to forget that...

The point is elite qbs win games in the last 2 minutes. A-Rod has demonstrated this.

Agreed the team is also to blame for the 0-8 stat. But at the end of the day, A-Rod was given chances to win and he failed.

Again A-Rod needs to be an elite q-b to lead us to the super bowl not the defense.

[GrnBay007]

Agreed the team is also to blame for the 0-8 stat. But at the end of the day, A-Rod was given chances to win and he failed.

Again A-Rod needs to be an elite q-b to lead us to the super bowl not the defense.

Like the old saying goes....the QB gets all the praise when things go right and all the blame when things go wrong. That's the way things go in the NFL.

[Bretsky]

Respected? When you and others continually take shots at me? When you suggested that some people, by implication me, are happy if the stats are good, regardless of team success?

That wasn't a shot at you Patler. I'm sorry you took it that way.

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