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[RashanGary]

wHAT was meant was that both are best used in a 3/4 scheme at a olb position not a DE. In my opinion, he is not worth a top 10 pick, too many questions for a DE.

I don't see him having to be used that way. Strahan was obviously a truely great player so I hate to compare him, but I do see him built that way. Just because he's explosive and fast doesn't mean he has to play 3-4 OLB. He's big enough to play defensive end. He'll get bigger too. I love the way he plays. He's a playmaker in my opinion and this years greatest pass rusher. He plays very well with his hands and has more than one move already. He's not scrawny like Wimbley. He's got thicker legs. He's going to fill out into a legit 4-3 DE. He's not the big 280 guy, but he's big enough and brings other big time qualities.

[SnakeLH2006]

"If I was TT" who would I pick....I'd trade down 4 times to get two 3rds, two 4ths, and eight 7th round picks...Then I could assemble a "my" team of dudes that will play for me (not the money) and maybe 1 pans out into being a starter in 3 years and I get all the glory.

We'll see...I'm just hoping Brettie makes the playoffs to get a 2nd, as we are gauranteed a top 10 pick right not with our shitty record and could go as high as 5th if we lose and everyone wins (doubtful)..What a crap of a year though.

[texaspackerbacker]

You guys really think you can find a DE who is GUARANTEED to be a large upgrade from Kampman, Jenkins, Montgomery, Thompson, Hunter, etc.? Dream on. All these guys mentioned look like Jamal Reynolds picks waiting to happen. What round was Strahan drafted in? Kampman? Will Allen? Most of the rest of the quality DEs in recent history? There are half a dozen flops for every high first round success, and anybody with half a brain knows that.

The same is true for the kind of heavy duty DTs we and most of the rest of the NFL needs. They simply are in short supply. Getting Haynesworth would be nice, but as for drafting a Haynesworth clone, good luck. You are about as likely to find one in the 5th - 7th round as in the first. College success just doesn't translate to pro success in most cases.

Corner, on the other hand, is a position where there is a good correlation of college success to being a good or great pro.

As for our O Line that some whiners and panic-stricken fools like to think is so horrible, The performance of our offense last year and this year says otherwise. We've had injuries there too, and a lack of playing together, but the O Line overall has been pretty decent--better than all but a few around the league. Tearing it down or scrapping the ZBS would be foolhardy

I say again, the Packers really don't have any pressing needs--a few backups, a few "luxury items", that's about it. Just getting what we have healthy and not having the horrendous bad luck of injuries next year like this one will be enough to bring the Packers right back to the top.

Thompson knows that; McCarthy knows that; Murphy knows that; I know that; And undoubtedly, most Packer fans with a lick of sense know that.

[SnakeLH2006]

You guys really think you can find a DE who is GUARANTEED to be a large upgrade from Kampman, Jenkins, Montgomery, Thompson, Hunter, etc.? Dream on. All these guys mentioned look like Jamal Reynolds picks waiting to happen. What round was Strahan drafted in? Kampman? Will Allen? Most of the rest of the quality DEs in recent history? There are half a dozen flops for every high first round success, and anybody with half a brain knows that.

The same is true for the kind of heavy duty DTs we and most of the rest of the NFL needs. They simply are in short supply. Getting Haynesworth would be nice, but as for drafting a Haynesworth clone, good luck. You are about as likely to find one in the 5th - 7th round as in the first. College success just doesn't translate to pro success in most cases.

Corner, on the other hand, is a position where there is a good correlation of college success to being a good or great pro.

As for our O Line that some whiners and panic-stricken fools like to think is so horrible, The performance of our offense last year and this year says otherwise. We've had injuries there too, and a lack of playing together, but the O Line overall has been pretty decent--better than all but a few around the league. Tearing it down or scrapping the ZBS would be foolhardy

I say again, the Packers really don't have any pressing needs--a few backups, a few "luxury items", that's about it. Just getting what we have healthy and not having the horrendous bad luck of injuries next year like this one will be enough to bring the Packers right back to the top.

Thompson knows that; McCarthy knows that; Murphy knows that; I know that; And undoubtedly, most Packer fans with a lick of sense know that.

To even draft a DL who can be a force in his first year is foolhardy, yes, to draft one who an upgrade to Montgomery (who has been a fool getting beat hard EVERY week he's played, get a DVR if you don't think so) Hunter...what has he done....Thompson, what has he done? OK.....We can get upgrades in all those in the draft and esp. FA but I doubt we do that.

Cb's...I totally agree...it's been this way for 20 years in the draft....top college CB's = good/awesome NFL DB's....

O-Line.....we differ here...Our talent/coaching OL talent = the suck......man, I really beg to differ here as the best teams in the NFL have good ass OL and DL....we have neither.....most don't have the skill positions at DB and WR we have,but it doesn't matter (Tenn, NYG) cuz they dominate the OL and DL....We are 5-10 with "good' skill postions...but they are (13-2 and 12-3) with shity skill positions and awesome OL and DL...IT MATTERS...Get some coaches and a GM that upgrades that shit at FA with a DL or OL and we'll talk....or keep going with TT who wants to upgrade over the course of years with the draft..... DaMn..........This is so easy to see..Even a caveman could do it.

[packrulz]

Taucher is hurt, getting older, his contract is up, Clifton is getting old, his knees are shot, I think it's a no-brainer to take Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia. Moll hasn't done well replacing Taucher, College might be ok at right tackle but you need a stud that can protect ARod's blindside, or you can forget about the defense. None of these smurf DE's impress me, not in the top 10.

[b bulldog]

I agree with the assetion above that the DE's are huge question marks, that is why I would take Luga to man the middle. He is a very talented LB and has the toughness this D lacks.

[RashanGary]

I'm not a big Maulaluga fan. Reminds me of Hawk. Nothing special. He's a good player. Better than what we have so I wouldn't be upset, but he's not going to be a great player in my opinion. Aaron Curry plays with a lot more impact but he should be long gone by the time we pick.


Everette Brown is a stud pass rusher. Jermaine Gresham looks like a star TE. Vontae Davis? Tough to say, I haven't seen him play. If he's a star corner, maybe. Jenkins will be gone so that's out of the question. Eugene Monroe looks pretty good. He has a lot of highlights and does really well in them. It's tough to grade an offensive lineman to me. He's a possibility based on the draftniks.

I'd say Everette Brown, Jermaine Gresham, Terrence Cody based on what I see or Eugene Monroe or Vontae Davis based on the draftniks are the best bets. There are going to be impact players after pick 8. We just have to make that pick even if it's outside the box.

[steve823]

I'm not a big Maulaluga fan. Reminds me of Hawk. Nothing special. He's a good player. Better than what we have so I wouldn't be upset, but he's not going to be a great player in my opinion. Aaron Curry plays with a lot more impact but he should be long gone by the time we pick.


Everette Brown is a stud pass rusher. Jermaine Gresham looks like a star TE. Vontae Davis? Tough to say, I haven't seen him play. If he's a star corner, maybe. Jenkins will be gone so that's out of the question. Eugene Monroe looks pretty good. He has a lot of highlights and does really well in them. It's tough to grade an offensive lineman to me. He's a possibility based on the draftniks.

I'd say Everette Brown, Jermaine Gresham, Terrence Cody based on what I see or Eugene Monroe or Vontae Davis based on the draftniks are the best bets. There are going to be impact players after pick 8. We just have to make that pick even if it's outside the box.

Jenkins might not be gone so dont count him out. And Terrence Cody is leaning towards going back for naother year but hopefully hell declare

[Partial]

I'm not a big Maulaluga fan. Reminds me of Hawk. Nothing special. He's a good player. Better than what we have so I wouldn't be upset, but he's not going to be a great player in my opinion. Aaron Curry plays with a lot more impact but he should be long gone by the time we pick.

Luga is nothing like Hawk. I honestly don't see a single comparison besides being similiar athletes. Luga is a much better blitzer/pass rusher, and is HUGE. He is far thicker than Hawk at 260-270. He is the perfect MLB.

[b bulldog]

Agree, anyone who thinks Ray is similar to Hawk has not seen many SC games. Physical, tough, tackling machine! James Larenitas reminds me of Hawk.

[Partial]

Sorry JH, I hope we never draft another FSu D Lineman....

This is no shot at you, but rather at us "people".


This is an example of the weakness of the human brain. We tend to connect dots that should not be connected. One FSU DE stinking has nothing to do with the next FSU DE that comes along. Really, nothing.

Go look up the long history of FSU busts at this position, then. www.google.com

Also, how can a stud pass rusher spend the majority of his seaosn with 3 sacks? Mario was unblockable... DUD!

[packrulz]

I'm not a big Maulaluga fan. Reminds me of Hawk. Nothing special. He's a good player. Better than what we have so I wouldn't be upset, but he's not going to be a great player in my opinion. Aaron Curry plays with a lot more impact but he should be long gone by the time we pick.


Everette Brown is a stud pass rusher. Jermaine Gresham looks like a star TE. Vontae Davis? Tough to say, I haven't seen him play. If he's a star corner, maybe. Jenkins will be gone so that's out of the question. Eugene Monroe looks pretty good. He has a lot of highlights and does really well in them. It's tough to grade an offensive lineman to me. He's a possibility based on the draftniks.

I'd say Everette Brown, Jermaine Gresham, Terrence Cody based on what I see or Eugene Monroe or Vontae Davis based on the draftniks are the best bets. There are going to be impact players after pick 8. We just have to make that pick even if it's outside the box.

I just want that first pick to be money in the bank, there are several good OT in this draft, (Oher, the Smith boys, Monroe), and that might cause Jenkins to slip, I'd be thrilled with him. Another poster put up this link for mock drafts last year, I know it's early yet but I bookmarked it: http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

[pack4to84]

I'm not a big Maulaluga fan. Reminds me of Hawk. Nothing special. He's a good player. Better than what we have so I wouldn't be upset, but he's not going to be a great player in my opinion. Aaron Curry plays with a lot more impact but he should be long gone by the time we pick.


Everette Brown is a stud pass rusher. Jermaine Gresham looks like a star TE. Vontae Davis? Tough to say, I haven't seen him play. If he's a star corner, maybe. Jenkins will be gone so that's out of the question. Eugene Monroe looks pretty good. He has a lot of highlights and does really well in them. It's tough to grade an offensive lineman to me. He's a possibility based on the draftniks.

I'd say Everette Brown, Jermaine Gresham, Terrence Cody based on what I see or Eugene Monroe or Vontae Davis based on the draftniks are the best bets. There are going to be impact players after pick 8. We just have to make that pick even if it's outside the box.

I just want that first pick to be money in the bank, there are several good OT in this draft, (Oher, the Smith boys, Monroe), and that might cause Jenkins to slip, I'd be thrilled with him. Another poster put up this link for mock drafts last year, I know it's early yet but I bookmarked it: http://hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

That is why you draft Mays USC. He is similar to Rouse with lot more speed. Lott type hitter too. I think S have been the safe impact pick in the last few drafts. A lot of S have gotten draft the last few years and made an impact there first season.

To me the DE's in this draft have too many question marks. George Selvie after his no show performance in most mock draft has dropped out of the 1st RD. Needing a good combine to move back up.

[cheesner]

Sorry JH, I hope we never draft another FSu D Lineman....

This is no shot at you, but rather at us "people".


This is an example of the weakness of the human brain. We tend to connect dots that should not be connected. One FSU DE stinking has nothing to do with the next FSU DE that comes along. Really, nothing.

And sometimes the human brain fails by trying to analyze with logic too often. If the pattern is there, then its more than likely is something causing it. You don't have to identify it to know that it is there.

There could be potentially a defensive scheme that allows DEs to shine. There could be an asst coach that is slipping something into the DEs gatorade. There could be a consistent issue with the opposing OL of conf teams.

[rbaloha1]

Agreed. Packers need d-linemen and linebackers.

Luga is better than Hawk because Luga is nastier and plays with reckless abandon. Hawk is overly concerned with assignments thus no impact plays.

Brandon Spikes from Florida is a prospect who is much more disciplined than Luga and possibly a better fit for TT's type of l-backers.