With all the troubles at WR, why didnt the packers...

[packers11]

Go after T.O more aggressively... PLEASE DONT FLAME, I know he his a hot head, but listen we only have one good solid receiver which is driver.... T.O and driver would be an insane combo and Dallas did the right thing by signing him to a three year deal because if he screws up no other team will give him a chance........ It just bugged me a lot that we are looking solid on defense and our offense with Favre (might be his last year) with not many weapons....
If you all remember correctly before last year most people were happy when Favre and company came out on offense and scared to death when the defense came out to play (T.O catch, 4th and 26)......
To bad times have changed, Favre doesn't have many dominant weapons , I know its to late to do anything, but the trade possibility for a good WR is still out there...

Thoughts??

[BallHawk]

I'd rather have a group of receivers that are willing to do what it takes to win, even if it means they don't get all the fame, than have one guy who just wants to get the ball to boost his ego.

[retailguy]

remember 2002? we didnt have receivers then either.... No more bad character guys. We've got enough problems.

[oregonpackfan]

Perhaps the Packers did not want a character cancer on the team is why they passed on T.O.

Just look at the divisiveness he caused the 49'ers and the Eagles. Who would want that to happen to the Packers other than Bears and Vikings fans?

[GrnBay007]

He would probably behave himself for 1 year.

[woodbuck27]

I certainly feel we missed the boat on that potential WR in Green Bay. I don't give a dam about his ego, the man can flat out be a difference maker in any game. He's arguably the finest WR in the NFL and definitely in the top three.

Besides that T.O. made it clear, as did Favre that they wanted one another. For the money we threw at Charles Woodson, I certainly would have liked that placed on a T.O. gamble, moreso then what I'm seeing with Charles Woodson.

Favre and DD and T.O. would have moved us into a much better place. Our offence would have upgraded over what we presently see. Look at the pre-season reviews that Dallas is getting early because of T.O.'s presence. Are the so called experts so wrong? I don't believe so.

[FavreChild]

Are the so called experts so wrong? I don't believe so.

Golly, I hope that is sarcasm.

[FavreChild]

I don't particularly yearn for T.O. in green and gold. But even with all his issues...I guarantee that if he WAS slated to be a Packer this season, y'all would be embracing him. 'Cause that's what fans do. And there would definitely be more enthusiasm - locally and nationally - for the Packers' chances with ol' Brett back at the helm.

However, *enthusiam* doesn't always equal success. Ask the '05 Eagles.

[woodbuck27]

Look at the pre-season reviews that Dallas is getting early because of T.O.'s presence. Are the so called experts so wrong? I don't believe so.

Golly, I hope that is sarcasm.

I'm pulling for T.O. to produce on the field as he is an amazing talent. He just has to shut up over his contract, get prepared and do his thing for HIS TEAM.

[FavreChild]

I don't disagree with you there, WB.

I *do* think the so-called experts are a bunch of blowhards, though. And I love when they're wrong, which happens almost with certainty.

[Patler]

Besides that T.O. made it clear, as did Favre that they wanted one another.

So what if they wanted each other? Owens hand-picked Philadelphia as the team he wanted just two years ago, and he was a disruptive influence even in his first season there. Have you forgotten the sideline silliness that went on between Owens and McNabb?

So what if he and Favre wanted each other. What if Owens took the attitude toward the coaches that he did in Philadelphia? Have you forgotten his "Don't talk to me!" mandate to the Assistant coaches? Reid and his staff are pretty well respected, experienced and successful. I think it would have been a huge mistake to saddle a brand new staff in GB, with an inexperienced head coach, with the potential problems of Owens. I suspect Owens would have tried immediately to establish himself as the alpha male in the pack (or "on the Packers" ).

[GrnBay007]

No doubt TO would have been a "head case" and all. The head says no way to TO but there is a part of me that would have loved to see Favre and TO play together one season.

[woodbuck27]

Besides that T.O. made it clear, as did Favre that they wanted one another.

So what if they wanted each other? Owens hand-picked Philadelphia as the team he wanted just two years ago, and he was a disruptive influence even in his first season there. Have you forgotten the sideline silliness that went on between Owens and McNabb?

So what if he and Favre wanted each other. What if Owens took the attitude toward the coaches that he did in Philadelphia? Have you forgotten his "Don't talk to me!" mandate to the Assistant coaches? Reid and his staff are pretty well respected, experienced and successful. I think it would have been a huge mistake to saddle a brand new staff in GB, with an inexperienced head coach, with the potential problems of Owens. I suspect Owens would have tried immediately to establish himself as the alpha male in the pack (or "on the Packers" ).

It's easy to condemn T.O. based on his ego, but his ability as a WR is beyond reproach and we needed such a quality talent in Green Bay. His record as an accomplished WR is before us, and maybe the quiet confines of Green Bay was what may have worked? We'll never know now.

The way it is we can only speculate one way or the other, but my opinion is that it would have been better to ink him and wait and see how he reacted. The actual fact on this matter or topic, is that TT doesn't have it in his mind to win this season, so that's what we were really up against when TT could have gone out and got T.O.

I don't care if the entire forum opposes me on this issue. I wanted T.O. in Green Bay not Dallas. That is my position on T.O. and I bet he lights it up this season in Dallas. He is not in a position with HC Bill Parcells to screw up as he has in the past, and the same constraints could have been placed on him with us.

We needed T.O. on OUR roster.I want the Packers to win and T.O. would have served that objective,absolutely.

Besides all that who in "H" are any of us to judge T.O. He certainly is a law abiding citizen. He doesn't carry a gun nor does he lay a beating on the public or harass the police or get accused of sexual assaults.

He just flat out produces points on the board for whomever he plays for.

T.O. and Favre isn't T.O. and McNabb either Shamrockfan.

[Homer Jay]

Can somebody remind me of the last time a wide receiver was the difference between winning the super bowl or just getting close?

[woodbuck27]

Can somebody remind me of the last time a wide receiver was the difference between winning the super bowl or just getting close?

Here you go. Check out who the leading receiver was for the Eagles.It's at the bottom of the recap.

Super Bowl XXXIX

New England 24, Philadelphia 21

Alltel Stadium Jacksonville, Florida February 6, 2005
Attendance: 78,125 MVP: Deion Branch, WR, New England

Tom Brady's passing and Corey Dillon's running helped New England win its third Super Bowl.

Deion Branch had 11 receptions for 133 yards and the Patriots’ defense forced four turnovers en route to becoming the eighth team to post consecutive Super Bowl titles. The Patriots matched the Dallas Cowboys (XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX) as the only teams with three Super Bowl victories in the span of four seasons.

The Eagles threatened first, driving to the Patriots’ 8 late in the first quarter. On first down, Mike Vrabel sacked Donovan McNabb for a 16-yard loss and, after a penalty overturned an interception, Rodney Harrison stepped in front of a pass for an interception at the Patriots’ 4.

Early in the second quarter the Eagles drove 81 yards, keyed by Todd Pinkston’s 40-yard catch, and capped by McNabb’s 6-yard touchdown pass to L.J. Smith on third-and-goal for a 7-0 lead.

The Patriots responded by driving to the Eagles’ 4, but Tom Brady fumbled on a fake handoff attempt and Darwin Walker recovered. Later in the quarter, a 29-yard punt by Dirk Johnson allowed the Patriots to drive just 37 yards, keyed by Branch’s 7-yard catch on third-and-3, and capped by Brady’s pass to David Givens on the right side of the end zone to tie the game with 1:10 left in the half.

New England began the second half with a 9-play, 69-yard drive, including four receptions, two on third down, by Branch, and capped by Vrabel’s 2-yard catch.

The Eagles put together a 10-play, 74-yard drive later in the third quarter, keyed by Brian Westbrook’s 4-yard catch on third-and-3, and followed on the next play by his 10-yard touchdown catch to tie the game.

On the ensuing drive, Kevin Faulk caught screen passes of 13 and 14 yards, and had a 12-yard run, and Corey Dillon capped the possession with a 2-yard run with 13:44 remaining for a 21-14 lead.

The Patriots’ defense forced a three-and-out, and Branch’s 19-yard catch set up Adam Vinatieri’s 22-yard field goal with 8:40 to play. Tedy Bruschi intercepted McNabb’s pass at the Patriots’ 24 with 7:20 remaining.

The Eagles forced a punt, and beginning at their own 21 with 5:40 to play, needed 13 plays to drive 79 yards, capped by McNabb’s 30-yard touchdown pass on a post-pattern to Greg Lewis with 1:48 to play.

Christian Fauria recovered the onside kick, but the Eagles’ defense forced a punt. Dexter Reid downed Josh Miller’s 32-yard punt at the Eagles’ 4 with 46 seconds left, and Harrison intercepted McNabb’s pass three plays later to clinch the title.

Brady was 23 of 33 for 236 yards and two touchdowns. Branch earned MVP honors with his Super Bowl-record-tying 11 catches.

McNabb was 30 of 51 for 357 yards and three touchdowns, with three interceptions. Terrell Owens had nine receptions for 122 yards.