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  • #16
    Originally posted by Joemailman
    Can Woodson lobby guys in a way Packer management can not?. Won't all these players still be under contract at The Pro Bowl?
    Reggie White was famous for talking to any and every potential free agent at the pro bowl to get them to Green Bay. Santana Dotson said straight out he would have never thought of Green Bay if not for White's lobbying at the Pro Bowl.
    "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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    • #17
      If Albert makes it FA TT will make a HUGE offer. Bookmark it and throw it back at me if I'm wrong.
      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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      • #18
        He might not make it to FA.

        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #19


          Sanders said Monday that he had not talked to McCarthy about his future and wasn't inclined to ask him if he would be retained. But the handwriting is probably on the wall and an NFL source with connections to the Packers said changes on the defensive staff were very likely.
          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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          • #20
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
            http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36861689.html

            Sanders said Monday that he had not talked to McCarthy about his future and wasn't inclined to ask him if he would be retained. But the handwriting is probably on the wall and an NFL source with connections to the Packers said changes on the defensive staff were very likely.

            good read

            And the Rams can have Winston Moss

            it'd sicken me to promote any defensive coach on this staff to coordinator

            Kind of like the Detroit Lions hiring a GM from within when far more qualified people are out there
            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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            • #21
              Re: Woodson & Harris want FAs on D

              Originally posted by Bretsky
              Moss and Gonze were trades

              Year one TT played in free agency

              Year two returned Frankie Walker

              Year three Chillar

              We've hardly been player the last couple years
              Fine, excluding all trades, I bet TT has been in the top ten in FA success. If you think otherwise, name ten teams more successful in FA over the same period.

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              • #22
                Re: Woodson & Harris want FAs on D

                Originally posted by sharpe1027
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                Moss and Gonze were trades

                Year one TT played in free agency

                Year two returned Frankie Walker

                Year three Chillar

                We've hardly been player the last couple years
                Fine, excluding all trades, I bet TT has been in the top ten in FA success. If you think otherwise, name ten teams more successful in FA over the same period.
                One of the top ten in free agency ? Sure. He's brought over two legit starters here in four years.

                How do you want to judge success ? If you want to get technical I'd say he's batting about .250, or one for four years.

                Would you consider him successful in year one for Adrian Klemm or the other yahoos he brought in ? Was that the year of Manuel as well ? You'll say he had no money but then I'll point out he has over 35,000,000 in year two

                He was successful in year two with both Woodsen and Pickett

                Year 3, Frank Walker........I don't think anybody will try to argue any good out of that one.

                Chillar was a decent cost effective player; but going from 13-3 to 6-10.......I certainly won't praise him for his offseason signings to help this team
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bobblehead
                  If Albert makes it FA TT will make a HUGE offer. Bookmark it and throw it back at me if I'm wrong.
                  Here's the thing: The Titans have oodles of cap room too, and if they don't think Haynesworth is worth the big price, I doubt TT will either considering Reinfeldt and TT are very close acquaintances with similar styles of running a team.

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                  • #24
                    Titans try to lock up Haynesworth



                    NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The Tennessee Titans are now able to talk contract with Albert Haynesworth, their Pro Bowl defensive tackle who played this season as the team's designated franchise player.

                    The rules of the tag prohibit a team from negotiating with the player on a long-term deal until the regular season is complete.

                    Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, said via e-mail that he fielded a call from Titans GM Mike Reinfeldt on Monday.

                    "Mike called me today and expressed the Titans' interest to begin negotiations on a long-term deal for Albert," Speck wrote. "We had a preliminary discussion and our talks are in the very early stages. It is my intent to keep any future conversations I have with the Titans regarding Albert's contract private for the time being. I would echo coach [Jeff] Fisher's comments by saying that Albert is focused on getting his knee healthy and continuing his dominating play in the playoffs.

                    Haynesworth signed the $7.25 million tender deal in July after he and the team agreed on incentives that provided five different avenues for him to ensure the team could not tag him a second time. If Haynesworth met just one, he'd be cleared to become an unrestricted free agent on Feb. 27.

                    Haynesworth, who missed the last two regular-season games with a sprained knee but is expected back for the team's Jan. 10 playoff game, was named to the AFC Pro Bowl roster on Dec. 16. That was one of the incentives and made it official that he could not be tagged again in 2009.

                    The Titans now have an exclusive negotiating window of just over two months. Haynesworth could be in line to become the highest-paid defensive player in the league.

                    "Clearly we've expressed a great deal of interest, as he has, in working things out," Fisher said. "We'll move forward, but the most important thing right now is the playoffs and getting him ready. Getting him back on the practice field, getting him ready to play at the level he was before he got hurt."

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                    • #25
                      Re: Woodson & Harris want FAs on D

                      Originally posted by Bretsky

                      One of the top ten in free agency ? Sure. He's brought over two legit starters here in four years.

                      How do you want to judge success ? If you want to get technical I'd say he's batting about .250, or one for four years.

                      Would you consider him successful in year one for Adrian Klemm or the other yahoos he brought in ? Was that the year of Manuel as well ? You'll say he had no money but then I'll point out he has over 35,000,000 in year two

                      He was successful in year two with both Woodsen and Pickett

                      Year 3, Frank Walker........I don't think anybody will try to argue any good out of that one.

                      Chillar was a decent cost effective player; but going from 13-3 to 6-10.......I certainly won't praise him for his offseason signings to help this team
                      You admit that his success in Free Agency is one of the best in the league and you are still not satisfied. I am not sure what to tell you.

                      You can judge success in a vacuum. Or you can be realistic and realize that your need for building an entire team through Free Agency will only ever happen in Madden 04.

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                      • #26
                        Maybe they should grab an FA at P: Shane Lechler will be a UFA.



                        Lechler, an unrestricted free agent, has been elected to the Pro Bowl four times during his nine years in Oakland as a punter. If he's gone, he finished with a flourish, averaging 47.7 yards against the Buccaneers and breaking the NFL average net-yardage record of 41.1 that he set last year. He reached 41.2 this time.
                        When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Woodson & Harris want FAs on D

                          Originally posted by Bretsky
                          Originally posted by sharpe1027
                          Originally posted by Bretsky
                          Moss and Gonze were trades

                          Year one TT played in free agency

                          Year two returned Frankie Walker

                          Year three Chillar

                          We've hardly been player the last couple years
                          Fine, excluding all trades, I bet TT has been in the top ten in FA success. If you think otherwise, name ten teams more successful in FA over the same period.
                          One of the top ten in free agency ? Sure. He's brought over two legit starters here in four years.

                          How do you want to judge success ? If you want to get technical I'd say he's batting about .250, or one for four years.

                          Would you consider him successful in year one for Adrian Klemm or the other yahoos he brought in ? Was that the year of Manuel as well ? You'll say he had no money but then I'll point out he has over 35,000,000 in year two

                          He was successful in year two with both Woodsen and Pickett

                          Year 3, Frank Walker........I don't think anybody will try to argue any good out of that one.

                          Chillar was a decent cost effective player; but going from 13-3 to 6-10.......I certainly won't praise him for his offseason signings to help this team
                          You are calculating that wrong. It's not about a percentage of years he's been active in FA - it's a percentage of how many of his FA signings have done well for us. If you include Woodson, Pickett, Walker, and Chillar - he's 75% in FA. That's outstanding. Even if you include O'Dwyer and Klemm in his first season as GM, that's still 3 for 6 which isn't horrible (although lower than I'd like). Think of all the other GM's that sign FA's that rarely work out. Even the premium ones - how many times have you heard the name Nate Clements after he was signed by San Fransisco for 80 million dollars?

                          GM's don't need to be active in FA every year. They just have to make sure that the FA's they bring in are the right ones for their team. Would you have been happier if TT were more active in FA while many of his FA signings turn out to be bad pickups? We'd be in the same position we are in now. And we'd all be complaining that TT relies too heavily on FA! So which is the better route to take?
                          Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                          • #28
                            Re: Woodson & Harris want FAs on D

                            Originally posted by Gunakor
                            Originally posted by Bretsky
                            Originally posted by sharpe1027
                            Originally posted by Bretsky
                            Moss and Gonze were trades

                            Year one TT played in free agency

                            Year two returned Frankie Walker

                            Year three Chillar

                            We've hardly been player the last couple years
                            Fine, excluding all trades, I bet TT has been in the top ten in FA success. If you think otherwise, name ten teams more successful in FA over the same period.
                            One of the top ten in free agency ? Sure. He's brought over two legit starters here in four years.

                            How do you want to judge success ? If you want to get technical I'd say he's batting about .250, or one for four years.

                            Would you consider him successful in year one for Adrian Klemm or the other yahoos he brought in ? Was that the year of Manuel as well ? You'll say he had no money but then I'll point out he has over 35,000,000 in year two

                            He was successful in year two with both Woodsen and Pickett

                            Year 3, Frank Walker........I don't think anybody will try to argue any good out of that one.

                            Chillar was a decent cost effective player; but going from 13-3 to 6-10.......I certainly won't praise him for his offseason signings to help this team
                            You are calculating that wrong. It's not about a percentage of years he's been active in FA - it's a percentage of how many of his FA signings have done well for us. If you include Woodson, Pickett, Walker, and Chillar - he's 75% in FA. That's outstanding. Even if you include O'Dwyer and Klemm in his first season as GM, that's still 3 for 6 which isn't horrible (although lower than I'd like). Think of all the other GM's that sign FA's that rarely work out. Even the premium ones - how many times have you heard the name Nate Clements after he was signed by San Fransisco for 80 million dollars?

                            GM's don't need to be active in FA every year. They just have to make sure that the FA's they bring in are the right ones for their team. Would you have been happier if TT were more active in FA while many of his FA signings turn out to be bad pickups? We'd be in the same position we are in now. And we'd all be complaining that TT relies too heavily on FA! So which is the better route to take?

                            if we were going percentages we'd add Ben Taylor and Marquand Manuel as well. Was Roman from TT or Shermy ?

                            Of course the only relevant FA signings where TT paid anything were Woody, Pickett, and Chillar to a point....although he was kind of cheap as well.........maybe this year that means we should look for some more relevant ones
                            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                            • #29
                              So relevant is a dollar figure? Interesting.
                              "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MJZiggy
                                So relevant is a dollar figure? Interesting.

                                I don't think it has a one to one ratio....but I can tell you if we both stroll into an electronics store and I buy a $4000 plasma and you buy a $900 one it's likely mine kicks your tv's ass. Not for sure, but likely.


                                edit: Not sure if my analogy is that great though, due to the higher failure rate of FA versus TV. :P

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