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  • #61
    It's funny that a group that is SO happy Favre was traded and doesn't like Favre, spend SO much of their time talking about him. I mean, really, he's no longer a Packer, why do you care?

    What's that saying about people that live in glass houses?

    Last summer the split (Packers/Favre) was compared to that of a bitter divorce. Well, months later it's sad to see some Packer fans still wishing nasty things on their old partner. Maybe it's just that things didn't go quite as well as some thought they would in 2008 (record) so that's all the more reason to look back and find things to bitch about what you left behind.

    What I don't see is why it had to end this way, with some Packers fans reveling in the Jets' failures and Favre's injury and struggles. It's as if they can live with a 6-win season as long as Favre and the Jets suffer, too. Dumb. ~Gene

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    • #62
      Ugh! Is it sad like some Packer fans still wishing nasty things on their GM?
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #63
        I think it's much more the need to feel personally vindicated or to feel smarter than they are that people talk the way they do - one way or the other - about Favre. I find it hard to believe people could invest even a fraction of the personal emotional investment that they claim to into caring what actually happens to Favre himself. The continued vehemence or even extended curiosity is simply a means to an end of egomastrubatorial behavior in most cases.
        "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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        • #64
          Originally posted by SkinBasket
          The continued vehemence or even extended curiosity is simply a means to an end of egomastrubatorial behavior in most cases.
          There's a money shot I don't need to see.
          #14

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          • #65
            Part of the post-mortem results from so many people feeling so strongly and taking so many shots that now that one side is or seems to be (mostly) vindicated, it wants to rub it in a little bit. Those discussions this summer got pretty heated.
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • #66
              BTW I voted yes.
              C.H.U.D.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Fritz
                Part of the post-mortem results from so many people feeling so strongly and taking so many shots that now that one side is or seems to be (mostly) vindicated, it wants to rub it in a little bit. Those discussions this summer got pretty heated.
                Summer? It didn't get good until after Halloween.

                I actually didn't care if Favre did well or badly. But the idea that one could be a fan of both the Packers and the Jets was impossible. Too much taunting. I was for Favre, against his followers.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by sheepshead
                  Originally posted by Partial
                  Originally posted by pbmax
                  Here is the pre-throw look from last year's championship game. One thing to remember about our Offensive Line was the way they out pass blocked the vaunted Logan Mankins led Patriots line versus the same Giants pass rush.

                  So there you have it. The passing lane to the left is closed. He could possibly float it to Grant/Jackson/whoever that is, but with Strahan being so long and containing, he could EASILY make a play on that ball.

                  Honestly with that view the pass doesn't look nearly as bad imo.

                  That's Grant coming across the middle-that's where he should have gone and kept the drive alive.
                  Or easily had the ball picked with a free lancing, extremely long armed and athletic linemen in Strahan reading his eyes waiting for the chance to intercept the exact pass you describe...

                  It was a bad throw. I don't think the read was too bad.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by GrnBay007
                    Maybe it's just that things didn't go quite as well as some thought they would in 2008 (record) so that's all the more reason to look back and find things to bitch about what you left behind.
                    I think there is some truth to this. Since the PAckers had a lousy season, I didn't want Favre to do too well.

                    But it really was the awful behavior of you Favre cultists that mostly made it hard to support him.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by GBRulz
                      I still say that the whole soap opera was a bigger distraction to the team then what has been let on.
                      This can't be proven, but I really doubt it. Rodgers played very well, clearly he wasn't rattled. And the team started strong, the time when you'd expect them to be most off-kilter. This was a fan soap-opera. I guess it did put a lot of pressure on MM, perhaps it effected him somehow, but the players were fine.

                      The last time the team got hit by such an injury bug, they went 4-12. And that was with a relatively young Favre at the helm. Ya, you can't make a direct comparison, but that was another packer team coming off a good record.

                      Injuries/poor GM moves on the D line was reason #1. They lost KGB, Williams, Jenkins, HArrell.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

                        But it really was the awful behavior of you Favre cultists that mostly made it hard to support him.
                        It's funny you use that word "cultists" HH.

                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        But the idea that one could be a fan of both the Packers and the Jets was impossible.
                        You talk about "cults"? lol

                        I didn't find it hard at all in 2008 to support the Packers and Favre with the Jets. The only thing that was unpleasant was all the negativity here.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by GrnBay007
                          I didn't find it hard at all in 2008 to support the Packers and Favre with the Jets. The only thing that was unpleasant was all the negativity here.
                          I guess we agree on this last point. We just have different sources of negativity to deal with.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Partial
                            Originally posted by sheepshead
                            Originally posted by Partial
                            Originally posted by pbmax
                            Here is the pre-throw look from last year's championship game. One thing to remember about our Offensive Line was the way they out pass blocked the vaunted Logan Mankins led Patriots line versus the same Giants pass rush.

                            So there you have it. The passing lane to the left is closed. He could possibly float it to Grant/Jackson/whoever that is, but with Strahan being so long and containing, he could EASILY make a play on that ball.

                            Honestly with that view the pass doesn't look nearly as bad imo.

                            That's Grant coming across the middle-that's where he should have gone and kept the drive alive.
                            Or easily had the ball picked with a free lancing, extremely long armed and athletic linemen in Strahan reading his eyes waiting for the chance to intercept the exact pass you describe...

                            It was a bad throw. I don't think the read was too bad.
                            Yeah, or martians could have landed in the south end zone--then what huh?
                            Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Partial
                              Originally posted by sheepshead
                              Originally posted by Partial
                              Originally posted by pbmax
                              Here is the pre-throw look from last year's championship game. One thing to remember about our Offensive Line was the way they out pass blocked the vaunted Logan Mankins led Patriots line versus the same Giants pass rush.

                              So there you have it. The passing lane to the left is closed. He could possibly float it to Grant/Jackson/whoever that is, but with Strahan being so long and containing, he could EASILY make a play on that ball.

                              Honestly with that view the pass doesn't look nearly as bad imo.

                              That's Grant coming across the middle-that's where he should have gone and kept the drive alive.
                              Or easily had the ball picked with a free lancing, extremely long armed and athletic linemen in Strahan reading his eyes waiting for the chance to intercept the exact pass you describe...

                              It was a bad throw. I don't think the read was too bad.

                              I think the best option was obviously Lee or whatever TE that was single covered over the middle. He made the 2nd worst read he could've made, and then a poor throw on top of that. Either Grant or Lee was the pass, both of them relatively safe. Strahan was no intercepting machine, the scenario you describe is remote at best.
                              "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi

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                              • #75
                                I tend to agree on the pass to Lee being the best option the more I look at the photo. He has the passing lane, and it looks like Lee is a step or two closer to Favre than the defender. He could have led Lee and it likely would have been an incompletion worst case scenario.

                                Not saying Strahan is an intercepting machine. Saying he could have made a play on the ball, though, and is athletic and long enough to do so. He's completely disengaged from Tauscher, almost like he is defending the short pass to Grant.

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