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**Gunakor** · 01-03-2009, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Partial

Pennington is a safe quarterback. He doesn't take any chances, but he is also a smart quarterback. He plays within his abilities as well as anybody, and will certainly not make any mistakes.

He is noodle armed, hasn't had any playoff success, etc.

I didn't say Ronnie Brown was an MVP candidate. I said he's a better player (comparatively) than Pennington. The wildcat has allowed that team to do a lot of unique things since they have two pretty good backs.

You can think what you want. So can I. I don't think I'm wrong about Pennington. You are every bit entitled to think that I am. In MY opinion, he is just a guy. He's not a play maker by any stretch of the imagination.

I've seen Pennington throw a ball 50+ yards in the air on more than one occasion this season. I don't think he's as noodle armed as you suggest when his arm/shoulder is healthy. He's added the deep ball to his arsenal again this year.

**Charles Woodson** · 01-03-2009, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by MOBB DEEP

cant believe bama lost...

im happy that bama lost... Bama was just another over ranked SEC team, they were about as untested as Utah, im glad to see a relatively small team like that win, and show how flawed the BCS is

**Charles Woodson** · 01-03-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by vince

Originally posted by Partial

ROFL Pennington? Ronnie Brown is more valuable to that team than Pennington.

Your previously stated positions about Pennington (and similarly Rodgers) being below average and your inability to accept being wrong has obviously caused you to lose all objectivity. This opinion simply does not stand up to the facts. When Pennington has been healthy, he has been a solid QB pretty much his whole career. When he's been injured, he's been less solid. You seem to be blind to certain QB injuries, but all too eager to shout from the rooftops about other QB's injuries.

Ronnie Brown was the 19th ranked running back in total yards and 34th in the league in yards per carry. Hardly MVP calibre performance.

Conversely, Pennington was the #2 rated passer in the league, behind Phillip Rivers and ahead of Curt Warner, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, in that order. His TD/INT ratio was also #2 in the league (if you exclude Seneca Wallace, who ranked first in limited time)

Overall, I think one of these three running backs or Phillip Rivers - all of whom led teams to the playoffs (along with Pennington) are most deserving:

Adrian Peterson 1,760 yards rushing, 4.8 ypc 10 TD's
Michael Turner 1,699 yards rushing, 4.3 ypc 17 TD's
DeAngelo Willias 1,515 yards rushing, 5.5 ypc 18 TD's

Rivers: 4,009 yds passing, 34 TD's 11 INT's 105.5 passer rating

It seems that when facts don't support your opinion, you run to search for other people's opinions that agree with yours and then rush to state them as "fact." Not a very convincing tactic.

I think Vince summed it up best, said exactly what i was going to say..

Partial your statement of Ronnie brown is more valuable to the team then Pennington shows your lack of intellectual thinking..
Think of this, with Ronnie brown out, at least you have a more then capable back in Ricky Williams,
Where as Pennington goes down, and so does your season...
Pennington wont win you over with flashy stats or huge plays, but his ability to come through when needed, and protect the football makes him the dolphins MVP

Vince i agree with you that one of those 3 running backs should have won the award, Manning had one of his worst years since 2001 and he still won it...

**vince** · 01-03-2009, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Partial

He is noodle armed, hasn't had any playoff success, etc.

I didn't say Ronnie Brown was an MVP candidate. I said he's a better player (comparatively) than Pennington. The wildcat has allowed that team to do a lot of unique things since they have two pretty good backs.

You can think what you want. So can I. I don't think I'm wrong about Pennington. You are every bit entitled to think that I am. In MY opinion, he is just a guy. He's not a play maker by any stretch of the imagination.

Here are some more facts about the noodle-armed, no-playoff-success, just-a-guy, not-a-playmaker-by-any-stretch-of-the-imagination, quarterback.

Chad Pennington - Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Pennington

Chad emerged as the Jets' starting quarterback after filling in for Vinny Testaverde during the fifth game of the 2002 season. Pennington helped reverse the Jets' fortunes by leading the 1-4 team to an eventual 9-7 record and an AFC East division championship. Despite playing less than a full season, Pennington managed to throw for 3,120 yards with 22 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. His 104.2 quarterback rating during the 2002 season is a team record. Pennington led the Jets to a first round 41-0 blowout of the Indianapolis Colts in that season's playoffs.

[In 2003, i]n the fourth pre-season game against the New York Giants, Pennington endured a fracture-dislocation on his non-throwing hand after suffering a hit from linebacker Brandon Short. The injury forced him to miss the first six games of the season. Without Pennington the Jets began the season 1-4.

[In 2004,] Pennington was able to lead the Jets to a 5-0 record. However, during a Week 9 game against the Buffalo Bills Pennington injured his rotator cuff and was forced to miss three games.

Pennington answered speculation that his shoulder was ailing with a sterling 20-17 overtime win against the AFC West Champion San Diego Chargers. This win came in the first round of the playoffs and Pennington's numbers were impressive: 23-33 for 279 yards and two touchdowns.

Pennington underwent surgery on his right shoulder in Birmingham, Alabama on February 4, 2005. It was later revealed that he had suffered a substantial tear in the right rotator cuff, as well as a large bone spur on that shoulder. On September 25, 2005 against the Jacksonville Jaguars, Pennington once again suffered injury, although he re-entered the game later and almost led the Jets to victory despite not throwing well. However, tests later showed another tear in his rotator cuff. On October 6, 2005, Pennington once again underwent surgery to repair his right shoulder.

The 2006 season was a year of redemption for Chad Pennington, as he came back from his second rotator cuff surgery to lead the Jets to the playoffs and win the Associated Press NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
Pennington would go on to reach career highs for the season in completions, passing attempts, and passing yardage with 3,352 yards. Perhaps the most notable career high Pennington reached in 2006 was in games played with 16, marking the first time that he stayed healthy for an entire regular season in his career.

Pennington led the Jets to a 10–6 record and a playoff berth as a wild card team, a surprising feat for a team that finished 4–12 a year earlier.

Here's a recent quote from Peter King about Pennington

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1150097/index.htm

"To characterize Pennington as a glorified caretaker would be as inaccurate as it is disrespectful. With the game tied at 31 to start the fourth quarter in Kansas City, he took the Dolphins on a 13-play, 85-yard drive in which he completed all seven of his passes (five for first downs) for 65 yards and the decisive touchdown."

And here's what Chad Pennington had to say about being being dumped for Favre and overlooked by misinformed fans who don't seem to understand what really makes a valuable leader in the NFL.

"The most satisfying thing is to know that how I play the game, how I prepare, how I work—those core values work," Pennington says. "Those values lead you to success. So it's nice to get into a situation that reminds you that the way you do your job is the right way. That's more satisfying than outperforming any one person or outperforming my former team."

Pennington's Line: 22-30 200 yds, 2 TD's 0 INT's in a playoff-securing victory on the road.

Pennington has led the Jets to more playoff games than any other QB in Jets history, and has a better winning percentage in the playoffs than your boy "McMoney" McNabb, as well as Drew Brees, Vince Young, Tony Romo, Randall Cunningham, Carson Palmer, and a bunch of others to whom you've undoubtedly bestowed "it".

I'd say Chad Pennington has proven that, despite your assertion to the contrary, he not only has had playoff success, but when healthy, he is a difference maker and above all - a winner. Isn't that what "it" is supposed to bring?

And his teammates call him "The Savior." Still say they're all wrong about this guy?

**packinpatland** · 01-03-2009, 07:19 PM

I have no idea who this guy is who wrote this article, but he does present a different, logical point of view.

Will The Real Chad Pennington Please Stand Up?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/100834-will-the-real-chad-pennington-please-stand-up

Last Sunday, as you have probably heard, Chad Pennington did what Brett Favre could not. The long-time Jets quarterback, released this offseason to accommodate incoming future hall ...

**vince** · 01-03-2009, 07:41 PM

This guy's best point is Pennington's injury history, which is clearly valid. His string of injuries has negatively impacted his performance through significant stretches of his career, but 2002, 2004 (even through injury), 2006, and 2008 demonstrate that he's well better than average when healthy - and his team's performance has reflected that as well. And saying that he hasn't had any playoff success is just factually incorrect.

I don't blame the Jets for valuing a warrior like Favre who never misses a game, even though in retrospect the on-field performance of the respective players and teams certainly brings the decision into question. Regardless of that though, it's difficult to dispute the facts of Pennington's performance and results when he's been healthy.

**Pugger** · 01-04-2009, 09:45 AM

But I think the Jets were just damn stupid to cut Pennington after they traded for Brett. You have to wonder about their GM that would give a player with any value away without compensation who ultimately goes to a team in your own division and comes back to haunt you in December to knock your team out of the playoffs!!

Thank God TT didn't do that last summer with Favre!

**packinpatland** · 01-04-2009, 10:52 AM

Not cut Pennington..........think it had anything to do with $$$'s?

**Pugger** · 01-04-2009, 12:06 PM

Is/was Pennington's salary higher than Bretts??

**Pacopete4** · 01-04-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Pugger

Is/was Pennington's salary higher than Bretts??

No but they had to cut Pennington to make room for the money spent during the offseason and Brett Favre. At least I think thats why they did it if I can remember right?

**GrnBay007** · 01-04-2009, 01:44 PM