Ken Wisenhunt has balls, does MM?

[channtheman]

The Cardinals played to win the football game today and they did just that. Getting the ball back with 4 minutes left in the game, did the Cardinals run 3 times and punt like they are supposed to? No! They ran a play action pass 3 different times each time completing it for a first down, when they were SUPPOSED to run. They didn't play by the books and it got them their first win in the playoffs in years.

I wonder if Mike McCarthy will be able to do so ever. I don't know if he can or ever will do the unexpected things during the game that will get you the win. MM lost the Packers some games this year because of his inability to go for the win. Instead of trying to get the first down and the win in some situations this year, he would instead not trust Rodgers to get it done and instead punt or attempt a field goal when we needed more points. This is why I have a mixed opinion of MM. On one hand, firing your coach will only set the team back, on the other hand, if MM can't get it done, do you waste time with him?

[Partial]

Ken Whiz definitely plays to win from what I've seen. MM does not, and that scares me.

[Jimx29]

Ken Whiz definitely plays to win from what I've seen. MM does not, and that scares me.

And worse yet, the player are not scared of MM.

[pbmax]

Re: Ken Wisenhunt has balls, does MM?

The Cardinals played to win the football game today and they did just that. Getting the ball back with 4 minutes left in the game, did the Cardinals run 3 times and punt like they are supposed to? No! They ran a play action pass 3 different times each time completing it for a first down, when they were SUPPOSED to run. They didn't play by the books and it got them their first win in the playoffs in years.

I wonder if Mike McCarthy will be able to do so ever. I don't know if he can or ever will do the unexpected things during the game that will get you the win. MM lost the Packers some games this year because of his inability to go for the win. Instead of trying to get the first down and the win in some situations this year, he would instead not trust Rodgers to get it done and instead punt or attempt a field goal when we needed more points. This is why I have a mixed opinion of MM. On one hand, firing your coach will only set the team back, on the other hand, if MM can't get it done, do you waste time with him?

Interesting theory. But I will be more convinced after they are better than 9-7 in the regular season. Or after they win more than one playoff game in 60 years.

Direct snap to Flynn ring any bells?

People who try to kill the clock by passing lose as often as they win. Expecially on the road, when your pass protection is compromised.

McCarthy is 27-21, 2-1 in the playoffs.

Wisenhunt is 17-15, 1-0 in the playoffs.

Everything looks good when you win. But that doesn't mean every decision was sound.

[channtheman]

Re: Ken Wisenhunt has balls, does MM?

The Cardinals played to win the football game today and they did just that. Getting the ball back with 4 minutes left in the game, did the Cardinals run 3 times and punt like they are supposed to? No! They ran a play action pass 3 different times each time completing it for a first down, when they were SUPPOSED to run. They didn't play by the books and it got them their first win in the playoffs in years.

I wonder if Mike McCarthy will be able to do so ever. I don't know if he can or ever will do the unexpected things during the game that will get you the win. MM lost the Packers some games this year because of his inability to go for the win. Instead of trying to get the first down and the win in some situations this year, he would instead not trust Rodgers to get it done and instead punt or attempt a field goal when we needed more points. This is why I have a mixed opinion of MM. On one hand, firing your coach will only set the team back, on the other hand, if MM can't get it done, do you waste time with him?

Interesting theory. But I will be more convinced after they are better than 9-7 in the regular season. Or after they win more than one playoff game in 60 years.

Direct snap to Flynn ring any bells?

People who try to kill the clock by passing lose as often as they win. Expecially on the road, when your pass protection is compromised.

McCarthy is 27-21, 2-1 in the playoffs.

Wisenhunt is 17-15, 1-0 in the playoffs.

Everything looks good when you win. But that doesn't mean every decision was sound.

I guess what my problem is, is that when the Packers do what they are supposed to do and run the ball to kill the clock, they still lose. So why not take that shot and play action pass to your receiver instead of running into a wall defenders?

I liked how MM called the first half of the Bears game. I really liked it. I thought "WOW, MM is playing really aggressive football." And it was great to see that. But then, he reverted back to his old self in the second half. This is more than just a few games this year though, we almost lost some games last year because of MM's mindset of "We HAVE to run the ball and run out the clock," despite us not being a power running team that can run even when everyone knows we want to.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: Ken Wisenhunt has balls, does MM?

The Cardinals played to win the football game today and they did just that. Getting the ball back with 4 minutes left in the game, did the Cardinals run 3 times and punt like they are supposed to? No! They ran a play action pass 3 different times each time completing it for a first down, when they were SUPPOSED to run. They didn't play by the books and it got them their first win in the playoffs in years.

I wonder if Mike McCarthy will be able to do so ever. I don't know if he can or ever will do the unexpected things during the game that will get you the win. MM lost the Packers some games this year because of his inability to go for the win. Instead of trying to get the first down and the win in some situations this year, he would instead not trust Rodgers to get it done and instead punt or attempt a field goal when we needed more points. This is why I have a mixed opinion of MM. On one hand, firing your coach will only set the team back, on the other hand, if MM can't get it done, do you waste time with him?

Interesting theory. But I will be more convinced after they are better than 9-7 in the regular season. Or after they win more than one playoff game in 60 years.

Direct snap to Flynn ring any bells?

People who try to kill the clock by passing lose as often as they win. Expecially on the road, when your pass protection is compromised.

McCarthy is 27-21, 2-1 in the playoffs.

Wisenhunt is 17-15, 1-0 in the playoffs.

Everything looks good when you win. But that doesn't mean every decision was sound.

I guess what my problem is, is that when the Packers do what they are supposed to do and run the ball to kill the clock, they still lose. So why not take that shot and play action pass to your receiver instead of running into a wall defenders?

I liked how MM called the first half of the Bears game. I really liked it. I thought "WOW, MM is playing really aggressive football." And it was great to see that. But then, he reverted back to his old self in the second half. This is more than just a few games this year though, we almost lost some games last year because of MM's mindset of "We HAVE to run the ball and run out the clock," despite us not being a power running team that can run even when everyone knows we want to.

MM is quite conservative, but let the balls loose on Arod for Christ's sake as I do think ARod can be an elite QB, and have served notice on his lack of late game awareness, but now looking back, how much was that on conservative playcalling. The best coaches put the ball into their best players hands. I was a big MM fan at 13-3 and think he's still a good coach, but damn if he doesn't need to open it up a bit.

As far as Flynn (do you think he'd do that if the game mattered)...Nope. End post.

[Partial]

Whiz is a smart coach too. How often are we seeing/hearing of the free kick at the end of the half now that Whiz did it?

How often were we seeing/hearing about it before? NEVER! I am guessing most coaches had no idea it existed, since it was what 40 years since it was last converted?

[TravisWilliams23]

MM knew about the free kick and TRIED it against Detroit.
Crosby's 69 Yard attempt was no good so maybe Wiz learned that
one from MM!
That's something I saw Lombardi use in his time and once you see
it, you NEVER forget about it's possibility in a game. It's been around
a looooong time.

[Rastak]

channtheman, did you go to the game? Looked like a fun game to attend.

[packerbacker1234]

MM knew about the free kick and TRIED it against Detroit.
Crosby's 69 Yard attempt was no good so maybe Wiz learned that
one from MM!
That's something I saw Lombardi use in his time and once you see
it, you NEVER forget about it's possibility in a game. It's been around
a looooong time.

Yes, MM tried it. In the last game of the season in a otherwise meaningless game for both teams. Cardinals did what, sometime in the first 5 games of the season, in a game that mattered for them. So, to say Wiz learned it from MM is downright foolish. Whiz did it first, and in a game that mattered. MM did in a meaningless game at the end of the season. (it did look like Crosby had the leg for it too).

[TravisWilliams23]

MM knew about the free kick and TRIED it against Detroit.
Crosby's 69 Yard attempt was no good so maybe Wiz learned that
one from MM!
That's something I saw Lombardi use in his time and once you see
it, you NEVER forget about it's possibility in a game. It's been around
a looooong time.

Yes, MM tried it. In the last game of the season in a otherwise meaningless game for both teams. Cardinals did what, sometime in the first 5 games of the season, in a game that mattered for them. So, to say Wiz learned it from MM is downright foolish. Whiz did it first, and in a game that mattered. MM did in a meaningless game at the end of the season. (it did look like Crosby had the leg for it too).

I didn't mean it infer Whiz learned it from MM. I was only suggesting that coaches before Whiz used it knew of the rule, hence my reference to MM using
it against Detroit a week earlier.

It can really only be used at the end of halves because if you miss the
other team gets the ball at the spot of the kick.

Meaningless game or not, MM did know of the rule.

[Zool]

Very nice. The Cards go 2-4 after the have the division wrapped up and all the sudden he's some sort of great coach? The 2 teams they beat were the Rams and Seahawks. Anyone want to recall which team Favre threw 6 TD's against earlier in the year?

[packerbacker1234]

MM knew about the free kick and TRIED it against Detroit.
Crosby's 69 Yard attempt was no good so maybe Wiz learned that
one from MM!
That's something I saw Lombardi use in his time and once you see
it, you NEVER forget about it's possibility in a game. It's been around
a looooong time.

Yes, MM tried it. In the last game of the season in a otherwise meaningless game for both teams. Cardinals did what, sometime in the first 5 games of the season, in a game that mattered for them. So, to say Wiz learned it from MM is downright foolish. Whiz did it first, and in a game that mattered. MM did in a meaningless game at the end of the season. (it did look like Crosby had the leg for it too).

I didn't mean it infer Whiz learned it from MM. I was only suggesting that coaches before Whiz used it knew of the rule, hence my reference to MM using
it against Detroit a week earlier.

It can really only be used at the end of halves because if you miss the
other team gets the ball at the spot of the kick.

Meaningless game or not, MM did know of the rule.

Did he, because it would seem to me a free kick would be attempted a hell of a lot more if coaches knew about the rule. How often has a half ended with the ball around the 50 yard line and tossing a hail mary. Sorry, but when it wasn;t even attempted in 30 years, made in 40, yeah, pretty sure coaches didn't know abou tit. Hell, MM was what, 2 years old when it was last made, 10 last attempted? meh.

[TravisWilliams23]

My apologies to Partial on the free kick for Whiz.
He DID use it in week 12 against the Giants.
The original post by Channtheman was about yesterdays Cards game
and because I didn't see the game I assumed Partials reply was about
THAT game.

Watched the YouTube vids of both attempts and Crosby's just fell short
but Rackers was a miss hit totally.

[packerbacker1234]

Very nice. The Cards go 2-4 after the have the division wrapped up and all the sudden he's some sort of great coach? The 2 teams they beat were the Rams and Seahawks. Anyone want to recall which team Favre threw 6 TD's against earlier in the year?

First off: He is being touted as a "great" coach for his agressiveness in the playoff victory yesterday. Sure, they went 2-4 after the division was wrapped up, and yeah, Favre carved up their D for 6 td's earlier this year: But if earlier this year matters now... then...

1. Chargers would not be in hte playoffs. Yet, here they sit with a win over the colts, who earlier this year, should not be in the playoffs.

2. Giants have no weaknesses, and virtually can't be beat.

3. Cardinals would still be in the playoffs regardless, and the packers win the NFC North.

Just saying, earlier this year doesn't matter come playoffs. Ravens kicked the crap out of Miami earlier in the year, but your kidding yourself if you think that game wont be tight.

2-4 after division is wrapped upw as more or less because they had nothing to really play for. Just get healthy. There isn't much of a difference between a 3 and 4 seed.