Packerrats Big Board Draft Project

[Lurker64]

Well, we now know which Juniors are coming out, and so pretty much every board thus far needs to be thrown out. So I think this is a good milestone to bump this thread and gauge the barometer of Packerrats.

If you weren't paying attention, the following underclassmen have declared for the draft:

Mark Sanchez
Matt Stafford
Percy Harvin
Knowshon Moreno
Darius Heyward-Bey
PJ Hill
Gerald McRath
Jeremy Maclin
Hakeem Nicks
Everette Brown
Chris Beanie Wells
Michael Crabtree
LeSean McCoy
Austin Collie
Glen Coffee
Paul Kruger
Brandon Williams
Sean Smith
Aaron Maybin
Nate Davis
Josh Freeman
Donald Brown
Shonn Green
Brandon Mason
Kenny Britt
Kevin Ogletree
Andre Smith
Eben Britton
Greg Isdaner
James Casey
Jared Cook
Andrew Davie
Chris Baker
Ricky Jean-Francois
Sen'Derrick Marks
Vontae Davis
DJ Moore
Captain Munnerlyn
Jerraud Powers
Emmanuel Cook
Anthony Reddick
Asher Allen
Brandon LaFell
CJ Spiller

So if you're putting together your top 10, don't put any underclassmen on it that aren't on this list. I'll put up mine in a bit, but I figured I'd get the "here are this juniors this year" info out.

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This draft is pretty good. It could have been freakishly good like the '06 draft if Bradford, Tebow, that TE, McCoy, Spikes, etc declared.

[steve823]

im hoping for either orakpo, jenkins, or a soild tackle. I was reading somewhere that orakpo reminds a lot of people like mario williams. Obviously he probably isnt going to be as good buty just to draw that comparison means he has to be pretty decent.

[rbaloha1]

im hoping for either orakpo, jenkins, or a soild tackle. I was reading somewhere that orakpo reminds a lot of people like mario williams. Obviously he probably isnt going to be as good buty just to draw that comparison means he has to be pretty decent.

Be careful about comparisons. Comparing Orakpo with Williams is a stretch.

But maybe the Lions evaluation says this. lol. Wasn't Hawk compared to Urlacher prior to the draft?

[Lurker64]

New top 10 (Lurker64) 1/15/09

1) Aaron Curry, SLB, Wake Forest.
2) Jason Smith, OT, Baylor.
3) B.J. Raji, NT/DT, Boston College
4) Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
5) Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
6) Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
7) Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
8) Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
9) Tyson Jackson, DE/DT LSU
10) Everette Brown, DE/OLB, FSU.

[rbaloha1]

New top 10 (Lurker64) 1/15/09

1) Aaron Curry, SLB, Wake Forest.
2) Jason Smith, OT, Baylor.
3) B.J. Raji, NT/DT, Boston College
4) Andre Smith, OT, Virginia
5) Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
6) Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
7) Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
8) Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
9) Tyson Jackson, DE/DT LSU
10) Everette Brown, DE/OLB, FSU.

Interesting list. Is #4 the Alabama left tackle? Curious no Crabtree. Curious why Jason Smith and Raji are ranked in their perspective slots.

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B.J. Raji doesn't seem long enough to play with a lot of leverage. Most NT are in the 6-3 to 6-4 range. I've heard he's really about 6'0" instead of the 6'1" he's listed at. I'm not confident he's tall enough or has long enough arms to overpower one guy and require a double team.

[Lurker64]

Interesting list. Is #4 the Alabama left tackle? Curious no Crabtree. Curious why Jason Smith and Raji are ranked in their perspective slots.

I meant to put Eugene Monroe instead of Andre Smith, I had the right school and position, just the wrong guy. I'm not too fond of Andre Smith. Crabtree isn't on my top 10 list since I can't imagine a scenario in which he falls to 10 (with Kansas City, Seattle, Oakland, and Jacksonville all picking ahead of us and needing WRs), so I didn't consider him. Smith, I think, is a perfect fit for the system and has amazing footwork. He's definitely the best fit for this team and this scheme. Raji is a player I like, he's got a great quick step, and a very low center of gravity. He's oddly shaped for a DT, but he's powerful and has a good pass-rush since he gets under everybody's pads, and he can occupy multiple blockers. Excellent instincts and awareness as well. I just think he's an intriguing prospect and a good fit.

Also, the intent of this thread was to get everybody to submit their own personal top 10 lists, several times over. So why don't you submit your own?

[rbaloha1]

Interesting list. Is #4 the Alabama left tackle? Curious no Crabtree. Curious why Jason Smith and Raji are ranked in their perspective slots.

I meant to put Eugene Monroe instead of Andre Smith, I had the right school and position, just the wrong guy. I'm not too fond of Andre Smith. Crabtree isn't on my top 10 list since I can't imagine a scenario in which he falls to 10 (with Kansas City, Seattle, Oakland, and Jacksonville all picking ahead of us and needing WRs), so I didn't consider him. Smith, I think, is a perfect fit for the system and has amazing footwork. He's definitely the best fit for this team and this scheme. Raji is a player I like, he's got a great quick step, and a very low center of gravity. He's oddly shaped for a DT, but he's powerful and has a good pass-rush since he gets under everybody's pads, and he can occupy multiple blockers. Excellent instincts and awareness as well. I just think he's an intriguing prospect and a good fit.

Also, the intent of this thread was to get everybody to submit their own personal top 10 lists, several times over. So why don't you submit your own?

Misunderstood the list. Andre Smith and Curry are most likely gone.

I have watched Andre Smith play in person -- excellent and dominating player. Started from day one at Alabama Look what happened in the Sugar Bowl w/o Smith -- Alabama's offense was bad. Mark May stated he is the best left tackle prospect since Ogden.

Does Raji remind you of Sapp at all?

Unable to submit a list since I did not watch some of the top players in actual games.

[Waldo]

B.J. Raji doesn't seem long enough to play with a lot of leverage. Most NT are in the 6-3 to 6-4 range. I've heard he's really about 6'0" instead of the 6'1" he's listed at. I'm not confident he's tall enough or has long enough arms to overpower one guy and require a double team.

Most NT are actually 6'0" to 6'2"

BJ Raji is a Vince Wilfork clone physically, and in game production. Difference is Wilfork had pretty big character red flags coming out, combine Jennings and Gado to get Raji's character. He is Packer people in every sense of the phrase. A real good kid and very hard worker.

[RashanGary]

Aaron Curry
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
Michael Crabtree
Everette Brown
Knowshon Moreno
BJ Raji
Jason Smith
Terrence Cody
Malcom Jenkins


These are the guys I feel pretty good about.

EDIT: Changed Jeremy Maclin (not enough show of good hands to me) for Knowshon Moreno (reminds me a little of LT with the way he runs).

[Lurker64]

Aaron Curry
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
Michael Crabtree
Everette Brown
Jeremy Maclin
BJ Raji
Jason Smith
Terrence Cody


These are the guys I feel pretty good about.

Cody is a Junior, and he hasn't (to my knowledge) declared.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

B.J. Raji doesn't seem long enough to play with a lot of leverage. Most NT are in the 6-3 to 6-4 range. I've heard he's really about 6'0" instead of the 6'1" he's listed at. I'm not confident he's tall enough or has long enough arms to overpower one guy and require a double team.

Most NT are actually 6'0" to 6'2"

BJ Raji is a Vince Wilfork clone physically, and in game production. Difference is Wilfork had pretty big character red flags coming out, combine Jennings and Gado to get Raji's character. He is Packer people in every sense of the phrase. A real good kid and very hard worker.

I'd love to see the pack trade back a 4-5 slots and grab Raji/J.Smith. Raji certainly isn't "mis-shapen" as a defensive tackle either. Most are around the 6'-6'2" range and have to be quick with a low center of gravity.

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Most NT are actually 6'0" to 6'2"

Jason Ferguson - 6'3"
Kris Jenkins - 6'4"
Shaun Rogers - 6'4"
Pat Williams - 6'3"
Dusty Dvoracek - 6'4"
Travis Johnson - 6'3"
John Henderson - 6'7"
Albert Haynesworth - 6'6"
Jay Ratliff - 6'4"
Marcus Stroud - 6'6"
Barry Cofield - 6'4"
Aubrayo Franklin - 6'1"
Bryan Robinson - 6'4"
Vince Wilfolk - 6'2"
Jamal Williams - 6'4"
Trevor Pryce - 6'5"
Casey Hampton - 6'1"

NFL Rosters disagree. These are all the guys that line up as a nose tackle.

I haven't seen enough of Raji to make a comparison, but I just don't see it being very likely based on his length. 6 flat is really short for an NT. He'd have to have freakishly long arms for his size to play with any sort of leverage.

[RashanGary]

NFL Rosters disagree. These are all the guys that line up as a nose tackle.

I haven't seen enough of Raji to make a comparison, but I just don't see it being very likely based on his length. 6 flat is really short for an NT. He'd have to have freakishly long arms for his size to play with any sort of leverage.

Shorter = better leverage

Short guys have a natural advantage with leverage. Tall guys need to learn how to really use it to be effective and need more muscle/size to play at the same level of practical strength.