Sanders Fired

[Joemailman]

Holy crap this just made my night..hell forget night it just made my week. Wow I didnt think they would do it but thank god. I wish they would go for someone who fits our scheme but someone that can blitz effectively. Maybe someone that has been under Jim Johnson?

That would be Sean McDermott. http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/te...sp?coach_id=10

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree on Jenkins, but I don't see Kamp holding up. He had lost weight in recent years, and he's probably around 270 right now. He was more effective at a lighter weight.

[Lurker64]

Largely, if we wanted to go 3-4, I'm concerned as to whether we have the NT that scheme needs. Maybe if they draft Raji he could be that guy, but I don't know if Pickett can (or has) played 3-4 NT. It's a different position than 4-3 DT and not everybody can do both.

[Joemailman]

Kampman would be the biggest question mark, but I think he could adjust. For one thing, he could go back to the weight he used to play at. Besides, he's always been pretty stout against the run for a guy his size. He would need to take more plays off, but that would be good for him anyway. Years like this year where he played 95% of the defensive snaps can shorten a career.

[ND72]

Largely, if we wanted to go 3-4, I'm concerned as to whether we have the NT that scheme needs. Maybe if they draft Raji he could be that guy, but I don't know if Pickett can (or has) played 3-4 NT. It's a different position than 4-3 DT and not everybody can do both.

While I don't disagree with that, Pickett plays the NT position in our 4-3 defense. Jolly plays the "3-Tech" DT, over or outside the Guard. Pickett plays in the Center/Guard gap....where he'd play in a 3-4 NT position.

[Partial]

Disagree. First off, Jenkins is 305 lbs. Gain weight? Very inaccurate quote. Yes Kampman would be light, probably 15 pounds light depending on how they use him. But they could move him around as well, like the Patriots do with Richard Seymour.

I tend to believe the Jenkins the prototype 3-4 end. He's fast enough to turn the corner and provide a good pass rush, and he is thick/stout enough to hold the point and stop the run.

Kampman is 2" shorter and 45 pounds lighter than Seymore. He'd probably have to bulk up a fairly substantial amount. I think he'd make a decent 3-4 LB as long as they used him in the pass rushing role. Athletically, I don't think he's any worse or better than a Jason Taylor, who some say is the prototypically 3-4 pass rush LB.

[pbmax]

I'm guessing Moss got a token interview with the Rams to satisfy "the Rooney Rule." Sad but true.

Tend to agree. The only other non-coordinator off of the top of my head that got a HC job was Marinelli, and his defense was always tip-top. Moss? I don't see him having the same level of experience or name power within the league, but its possible that I am wrong.

Herm Edwards. Tony Sporano. Andy Reid. Mike Singletary. Tom Coughlin (never an NFL coordinator). John Harbaugh. Lane Kiffin. Tom Cable.

[Partial]

Largely, if we wanted to go 3-4, I'm concerned as to whether we have the NT that scheme needs. Maybe if they draft Raji he could be that guy, but I don't know if Pickett can (or has) played 3-4 NT. It's a different position than 4-3 DT and not everybody can do both.

While I don't disagree with that, Pickett plays the NT position in our 4-3 defense. Jolly plays the "3-Tech" DT, over or outside the Guard. Pickett plays in the Center/Guard gap....where he'd play in a 3-4 NT position.

Doesn't NT line up directly over center in the 3-4 traditionally?

[ND72]

Disagree. First off, Jenkins is 305 lbs. Gain weight? Very inaccurate quote. Yes Kampman would be light, probably 15 pounds light depending on how they use him. But they could move him around as well, like the Patriots do with Richard Seymour.

I tend to believe the Jenkins the prototype 3-4 end. He's fast enough to turn the corner and provide a good pass rush, and he is thick/stout enough to hold the point and stop the run.

Kampman is 2" shorter and 45 pounds lighter than Seymore. He'd probably have to bulk up a fairly substantial amount. I think he'd make a decent 3-4 LB as long as they used him in the pass rushing role. Athletically, I don't think he's any worse or better than a Jason Taylor, who some say is the prototypically 3-4 pass rush LB.

I don't think Kampy is as athletic as either of those guys. Seymour is 315 lbs? holy shit...guess I didn't know that. Kampman is the toss up in my 3-4 dream, but I think Kampman is the type of guy to work just that hard enough to succeed in any thing he's in.

[Partial]

I'm guessing Moss got a token interview with the Rams to satisfy "the Rooney Rule." Sad but true.

Tend to agree. The only other non-coordinator off of the top of my head that got a HC job was Marinelli, and his defense was always tip-top. Moss? I don't see him having the same level of experience or name power within the league, but its possible that I am wrong.

Herm Edwards. Tony Sporano. Andy Reid. Mike Singletary. Tom Coughlin (never an NFL coordinator). John Harbaugh. Lane Kiffin. Tom Cable.

LOL, shows what I know

Anyway, good to see some quality coaches on the list. I would rather Moss go on to be an HC than our DC. I wish him the best.

[ND72]

Largely, if we wanted to go 3-4, I'm concerned as to whether we have the NT that scheme needs. Maybe if they draft Raji he could be that guy, but I don't know if Pickett can (or has) played 3-4 NT. It's a different position than 4-3 DT and not everybody can do both.

While I don't disagree with that, Pickett plays the NT position in our 4-3 defense. Jolly plays the "3-Tech" DT, over or outside the Guard. Pickett plays in the Center/Guard gap....where he'd play in a 3-4 NT position.

Doesn't NT line up directly over center in the 3-4 traditionally?

NO...at least not in the Pittsburgh, New England, or Cleveland 3-4 Defense's that I've seen. They will traditionally put the NT in the 1 gap to the strong side call, and try to tie both play side inside players.

[Partial]

I didn't know that. BTW, Seymour is at 210 according to ESPN and Kamp is at 265. Didn't Kamp used to play at 280?

What about that rookie end. The Wake Forest guy. Where would he fit? He'd almost have to be an OLB. Jason Hunter could play the OLB, or maybe even DE. He's up to 280 I believe I read on JSO or heard on WSSP.

[pbmax]

I am no 3-4 X and O expert. Used to be, back when it was the Oilers and Browns defense of choice, but that was a very different animal in the old AFC.

I agree Jenkins just might be built for it. Kampman is going to get tired two gapping all game long. Pickett has the size, but he'll need a backup and I worry that his off year wasn't just the arm injury.

Linebackers, I don't know. Hawk and Barnett might be athletic enough outside, but you would be taking your chances with Bishop inside who has one start under his belt at the other position. The big thing is, if the new coach thinks he can do it, then let him do it. The coach will know who fits and who doesn't better than Thompson or McCarthy. Moss might have seen some 3-4 under Haslett.

[pbmax]

ND, you think Poop could play inside in the 34?

I think he might be best at beating the TE to a pulp in a 4-3 under.

[ND72]

I didn't know that. BTW, Seymour is at 210 according to ESPN and Kamp is at 265. Didn't Kamp used to play at 280?

What about that rookie end. The Wake Forest guy. Where would he fit? He'd almost have to be an OLB. Jason Hunter could play the OLB, or maybe even DE. He's up to 280 I believe I read on JSO or heard on WSSP.

Yeah, Thompson & Hunter would probably be OLB's in a 3-4.

I do agree with your thoughts on Kampman, which is why I said he's kind of the tough one in the group.

And about the 2-Gap thought by pbmax...ALL NFL front 7 guys 2 gap. Only crap High School defenses play single gap defenses. Most likely, and I don't know, so this is my guess about how Sanders used the DE's, but Kampman was probably responsible for pinching down his inside gap, but also had his outside gap to cover as well, that is the most likely DE responsibility in a press covereage team.