An admission of incompetance by MM.

[Patler]

Sorry, but firing nearly half of his coaching is an admission of utter incompetence three years ago when he put the staff together.

I complained long and hard about his staff, their relatively poor success history, and the fact that most were in "elevated" positions above what they had ever performed at before. I hope MM has learned from this and does a better job of assembling his staff in his second go-around. It's his last chance in GB. He will not be given another opportunity to correct utter failure.

He needs to bring in some coaches with proven track records.

[Cleft Crusty]

Peter Principle applies to McCarthy perhaps?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: An admission of incompetance by MM.

Sorry, but firing nearly half of his coaching is an admission of utter incompetence three years ago when he put the staff together.

I complained long and hard about his staff, their relatively poor success history, and the fact that most were in "elevated" positions above what they had ever performed at before. I hope MM has learned from this and does a better job of assembling his staff in his second go-around. It's his last chance in GB. He will not be given another opportunity to correct utter failure.

He needs to bring in some coaches with proven track records.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He came to a team that incorporated a new scheme the year prior, it had some success (under Jim Bates), and it wasn't necessarily looking to make drastic changes on that side of the ball. It was probably too easy to go with the status quo. Then, they had success at the end of 2006 and did well enough in 2007. Now, I think you'll see a defensive staff/scheme assembled that more fits what McCarthy truly wants out of a defense.

[sheepshead]

A mistake(s) is not necessarily incompetence. 13-3 is still on his resume for instance.

[Partial]

I am looking at this as MM is willing to do what it takes to be successful. He stuck with a defense he may not have been crazy about for the sake of continuity ( Donatell, Slowik, Bates in the previous three years ).

With that said, I'm still not positive he is the right guy for the job as I think the conservative play calling still falls on his shoulders, but he has earned some more time to prove his critics wrong.

I suspect Campen ends up being gone as well. I could see that coming out in the next day or two.

[Patler]

A mistake(s) is not necessarily incompetence. 13-3 is still on his resume for instance.

I'm referring to incompetence in hiring a staff. If it was not, why did he fire so many?

[Cleft Crusty]

A mistake(s) is not necessarily incompetence. 13-3 is still on his resume for instance.

I'm referring to incompetence in hiring a staff. If it was not, why did he fire so many?

They were shaking the vending machines.

[mission]

A mistake(s) is not necessarily incompetence. 13-3 is still on his resume for instance.

I'm referring to incompetence in hiring a staff. If it was not, why did he fire so many?

They were shaking the vending machines.

You cant get fired for that ... I've never stopped doing that anywhere I've worked.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Incompetence might be a harsh word. Plenty of good coaches have fired assistants. Bill Cowher fired Tim Lewis as DC.

Tom Coughlin fired Tim Lewis also.

The Giants New York Giants were ousted from the playoffs by the Eagles two weeks ago, and four days later Tom Coughlin fired defensive coordinator Tim Lewis. Coughlin yesterday plucked a coach away from the Eagles, naming Steve Spagnuolo as the Giants' new defensive coordinator.

So much for Coughlin bringing in a big-name or high-profile top assistant to run his defense. No Dom Capers, no Jim Mora Jr., no longtime, proven defensive guru with a track record of excellence. Spagnuolo, 47, has never been a coordinator in the NFL, but certainly has knowledge of the Giants, going against them the past eight years with the Eagles. Most recently, he served as Philadelphia's linebackers coach.

If McCarthy is changing the system completely, it makes sense to hire assistants that are better at teaching that new system.

[Patler]

Re: An admission of incompetance by MM.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He came to a team that incorporated a new scheme the year prior, it had some success (under Jim Bates), and it wasn't necessarily looking to make drastic changes on that side of the ball. It was probably too easy to go with the status quo.

If he did that, I have even less hope for him as a head coach long term. He had a free opportunity to put in the schemes he thought were best, and using the people he thought best to teach them. He didn't have to rehire any of them. He chose to do so. Gullickson, Hairston, Schottenheimer and Stock were all new hires by MM. None were with GB the year before. He also chose to give the DC job to a guy who had never been a coordinator at any level before.

Basically, MM admitted he had no idea what he was doing on the defensive side. He got rid of all but one that he hired.

This was a tremendous admission by MM that he screwed up. That can be a good thing, but he will have no more chances this big.

[Patler]

Incompetence might be a harsh word. Plenty of good coaches have fired assistants. Bill Cowher fired Tim Lewis as DC.
Tom Coughlin fired Tim Lewis also.
If McCarthy is changing the system completely, it makes sense to hire assistants that are better at teaching that new system.

Sure, they fire coordinators often, coaches often; but do you ever remember firing 7 all at the same time without the HC going?

He scrapped his defensive staff almost entirely.
He gave up on his special teams coordinator.
He gave up on the guy who headed and designed his strength and conditioning program.

He got rid of 3/4 of the leaders he picked to run HIS program. This is a huge shake-up.

This is a lot more than firing a coordinator, that happens regularly. He gave up on the direction of most of his staff, except for offense.

The Packers will have new leadership on defense, new leadership on Special teams, new leadership in the strength and conditioning program. It will not be much different than for teams who fired their head coaches.

[sheepshead]

A mistake(s) is not necessarily incompetence. 13-3 is still on his resume for instance.

I'm referring to incompetence in hiring a staff. If it was not, why did he fire so many?

we're splitting hairs , I just thought the term was a little harsh. I give him much more credit for acting swiftly. There's an old business school saying, hire slowly and fire quickly. Lets face it, bad teams were moving the chains and scoring almost at will on us. Wholesale changes were necessary. I'm sure TT told him to get it right-quickly!

[HarveyWallbangers]

This is a huge shake-up.

I have no idea how common it is. I know Mike Holmgren got rid of his entire offensive staff last year.

[pbmax]

If he hires Nolan, then we will be revisiting the 49ers from 2005. That is not an exciting prospect. At least Thompson hasn't hired John York to help in the front office.

The best advice I remember about being in this position was Harlan or Wolf who said, "You hire good people, and then you get out of the way".

So my only concern now is that M3 has found someone good, and relieved the staff of their duties after consulting with that person. But the fact that I cannot catch a sniff about him talking to anyone, that there is no leak, makes me think he is talking to someone he knows and does not need to go through an agent or 3rd party. So it seems like Moss or Nolan so far. Fair warning though, I am a poor tea leaf reader.

[gbgary]

He scrapped his defensive staff almost entirely.
He gave up on his special teams coordinator.
He gave up on the guy who headed and designed his strength and conditioning program.

He got rid of 3/4 of the leaders he picked to run HIS program. This is a huge shake-up.

This is a lot more than firing a coordinator, that happens regularly. He gave up on the direction of most of his staff, except for offense.

now he needs to get rid of the guy calling the plays!

why did he fire so many?

They were shaking the vending machines.