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  • If we switch to 3-4

    There are a few styles of the 3-4 defense.

    3-4/4-3 hybrid. 2 DT, 1 DE, with a Smart good pass rusher as the rover DE/OLB type. He moves around and picks his spot to rush. A.k.A Tim Harris/B.Paup type of player. I think the Packers could use this type of 3-4 with Kampman as the rover. He is smart and could do the job.

    3-4 with big OLB. I also think the Packers have the players to run this style too. Under this scheme you like to have tall 6'4-6'7 type OLB with speed. Kampman would be the ROLB and Thompson/Hunter being the LOLB. I think Kampman could play this because he is smart and already shown he can drop back in coverage. Hawk, Bishop and Barnett would have to fight for the starting 2 MLB positions. Under this scheme I would draft M.Johnson if he was still available in the draft. He is 6'7 with speed could fill the LOLB spot. DT would be Pickett and DE Jenkins and Harrell if they stay health. Other wise Jolly would start for Harrell. I think Harrell would excel at DE in the 3-4. If he could stay health.

    3-4 with speedy OLB's and big MLB's. This scheme I don't think the Packers have the players to play it.

    I have always like the 3-4 with the rover. I remember Harris causing so much havoc. Many teams had to call audibles. Then teams learned that the longer they waited for Harris to move around they were at a disadvantage. Then they would do quick counts preventing Harris from getting lined up. Many time Harris got stuck in the middle of the field. So this style has it's draw backs but could be easily used with the players we have now.

    I would like to use both the rover 3-4 and big OLB 3-4 version. The big 3-4 version would be harder to run against because you basically have 3 DT and 2 DE/OLB type. With 1 or both OLB rushing the passer every play. With the height of the OLB it would be harder to throw the flats.

  • #2
    If the Packers do decide to switch to a 3-4, I would like to see them get Suggs. Then they could run any of the schemes that you listed above.

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    • #3
      If the Packers switch to the 3-4, I'd like to see them pick up at least 2 more NTs, at least one of which has experience in the scheme.

      If we switch to the 3-4, we have Pickett who can play NT and then... ? Considering that all of the other teams in this 3-team division are committed to running the ball, switching to a 3-4 without a solid answer at NT scares the hell out of me.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lurker64
        If the Packers switch to the 3-4, I'd like to see them pick up at least 2 more NTs, at least one of which has experience in the scheme.

        If we switch to the 3-4, we have Pickett who can play NT and then... ? Considering that all of the other teams in this 3-team division are committed to running the ball, switching to a 3-4 without a solid answer at NT scares the hell out of me.
        Very true, if we do switch to a 3-4 we need to pick up a few vets (regardless of position) that have been successful in the scheme.

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        • #5
          I'm thinking that Justin Harrell becomes a phenomenal DE prospect to line up opposite of Jenkins. Jolly could do the same.

          Kamp almost has to move to OLB.

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          • #6
            If the Packers switch to a 3-4, I would like to see them trade Kampman. I do not see him as all that effective in the 3-4, and if they could find a trade partner willing to give up a couple prime picks, or an accomplished lineman in a 3-4 I would take it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Patler
              If the Packers switch to a 3-4, I would like to see them trade Kampman. I do not see him as all that effective in the 3-4, and if they could find a trade partner willing to give up a couple prime picks, or an accomplished lineman in a 3-4 I would take it.
              I agree, which is largely why I don't want to hire a DC who's a 3-4 guy. A guy who will mix in 3-4 and 4-3 looks for different downs and distances are fine, but full-time 3-4 would need a significant amount of roster shakeup.
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              • #8
                I really don't think we would need the roster shake up.

                As the original post stated, we are very well suited for two of the three ways this D is played. I think even the fourth is covered with Chillar, Bishop, Popinga, and Hunter on the outside. I further think that Harrell would be better suited, if healthy, to rotate with Pickett at nose tackle--with Jolly sharing time with Jenkins and Montgomery and Thompson sharing time with Kampman.

                As for picking up veterans or whatever, hell no. What we have is fine.

                The major selling point of the 3-4 is that it gets maximum effectiveness without superstar talent.

                Of course, there may be a whole lot of jumping the gun going on here, as, for better or worse, we have no real indication that McCarthy will go in that direction.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Patler
                  If the Packers switch to a 3-4, I would like to see them trade Kampman. I do not see him as all that effective in the 3-4, and if they could find a trade partner willing to give up a couple prime picks, or an accomplished lineman in a 3-4 I would take it.
                  I agree. I hope we do not change because I like Kampman that much. If we do change, we have to get something substantial for him. Either a late first round pick or a damn good player.
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                  • #10
                    I would like to see a coach who runs a 4-3, since those are the types of players we have currently. I think a stud d-lineman and a bit more imagination on defense is enough to fix the troubles.
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                    • #11
                      I listened to one of the espnradio shows today (around 12:30ish)...they got into talking about the Packers coaches being fired, and all of the football guys (Scherleath, Salisbury, and someone else) all said Green Bay is designed perfectly for the 3-4. Scherleath, "Jenkins is the DE/DT type power end in the 3-4, and Kampman is that perfect other DE for the system. You can move him around, and he can still play a true type DE in a 3-4 defense. Jolly and Pickett would be a nice rotation inside at DT, and Harrell could play a DE spot as well in a rotation. They do have 4 Linebackers, but they would have to get a bunch more for some competition."


                      That's what I've been saying for a long time now.
                      "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                      • #12
                        If they switched, I'd rather see Kampman play OLB. He's only 265. That's normal playing weight for a 3-4 pass rushing OLB. He's tiny for 3-4 DE. Barnett would have to leave too.
                        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JustinHarrell
                          If they switched, I'd rather see Kampman play OLB. He's only 265. That's normal playing weight for a 3-4 pass rushing OLB. He's tiny for 3-4 DE. Barnett would have to leave too.
                          Disagree with all of that. #1 Kampman does not have OLB speed. and why would Barnett have to leave? Probably the best athlete at LB for us...don't understand that one. No, he's not the typical bulk size of a 3-4 MLB, but he could still make it. No reason Barnett would have to go.
                          "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                          • #14
                            Barnett cannot shed blocks. 3-4 LBs all have to take on and shed blocks.

                            Kampman is tiny for 3-4 end. Plus, it's a complete waste of his pass rushing talent ot make him a block eater.

                            Horrible idea. We'll play 4-3 IMO.
                            Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                            • #15
                              we have one guy that doesn't fit the 3-4



                              ONE, kampman. and i'm really not sure he's a bad fit

                              the rest would fit just fine

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