If we switch to 3-4

[RashanGary]

we have one guy that doesn't fit the 3-4



ONE, kampman

the rest would fit just fine

Barnett wouldn't fit either and Kampman is our only great front 7 player. Fuck that. 3-4 is so overrated. Only a couple teams run it well. The rest suck ass. There are just as many really good 4-3 defenses as there are 3-4.

[pbmax]

The unfortunate part? He might be the D's best player. This happened to Ray Lewis as well in Baltimore when Nolan got hired. Nolan, and I am going by my fuzzy recollection, ran a hybrid 3-4/4-3 in part to satisfy Lewis and keep linebackers off him. He was less than thrilled.

Of course, they still run some kind of hybrid there with Suggs and previously with Adalius Thomas. Those guys rush the passer but played standing up a good deal too. Thomas went to play LB with the Patriots obviously, and Suggs was having a beef with the Ravens trying to pay him LB money for the franchise tag.

we have one guy that doesn't fit the 3-4



ONE, kampman

the rest would fit just fine

[ND72]

Barnett cannot shed blocks. 3-4 LBs all have to take on and shed blocks.

Kampman is tiny for 3-4 end. Plus, it's a complete waste of his pass rushing talent ot make him a block eater.

Horrible idea. We'll play 4-3 IMO.

#1 - Barnett's "weakness" is no reason to drop him just because, and until you saw him in a 3-4, you don't know how he'd play.

#2 - Kampman - Shaun Ellis (Jets) 285 pounds. Jarvis Green (Patriots) 285 pounds. Brett Keisel (Steelers) 285 pounds, Aaron Smith (Steelers) 295, and Travis Kirschke (Steelers) 295 pounds, Luis Castillo (Chargers) 290 pounds, Justin Smith (49ers) 285 pounds, Ray McDonald (49ers) 290 pounds....those are all DE's that are considered "light" for their position. Kampman, remember, came in as a Defensive Tackle from Iowa. If needed, I garuntee Kampy could bulk himself up to 280-290 and not miss a step.

[pbmax]

we have one guy that doesn't fit the 3-4



ONE, kampman

the rest would fit just fine

Barnett wouldn't fit either and Kampman is our only great front 7 player. Fuck that. 3-4 is so overrated. Only a couple teams run it well. The rest suck ass. There are just as many really good 4-3 defenses as there are 3-4.

Bedard had a weird take on the LBs in his breakdown of the Packers switching to a 3-4. He thought Barnett and Chillar would be the locks and Hawk and Poppinga would be miscast. He must be thinking of a different 3-4 than I am, since speed is rarely a factor in the inside LBs in the 3-4 I know. Look at the Patriots and their over the hill gang at ILB. Thomas is the athlete and he plays on the edge.

[red]

if kamp can make the move to OLB, then our lineup is almost perfect

de- jolly 320
nt- picket 330
de- jenkins 305

olb-kampman 265
ilb- barnett 236
ilb- hawk 248
olb- pop, chillar, or find another guy

thats pretty damn close to the size of the steelers front 7. and they ranked #1 in everything

i really don't think we would be all that screwed if we did decide to make the change. and its not like our guys have the 4-3 mastered or anything

[denverYooper]

Barnett cannot shed blocks. 3-4 LBs all have to take on and shed blocks.

Kampman is tiny for 3-4 end. Plus, it's a complete waste of his pass rushing talent ot make him a block eater.

Horrible idea. We'll play 4-3 IMO.

Terrell Suggs is around the same size as Kampman -- he lists as 1" shorter and 5# lighter. He's done ok in both LB/DE positions in the Ravens 3-4.

Nolan helped develop Suggs, too. I'd wager he might be able to convert Kampman.

[Bossman641]

Barnett cannot shed blocks. 3-4 LBs all have to take on and shed blocks.

Kampman is tiny for 3-4 end. Plus, it's a complete waste of his pass rushing talent ot make him a block eater.

Horrible idea. We'll play 4-3 IMO.

Terrell Suggs is around the same size as Kampman -- he lists as 1" shorter and 5# lighter. He's done ok in both LB/DE positions in the Ravens 3-4.

Nolan helped develop Suggs, too. I'd wager he might be able to convert Kampman.

I'm not sure Kampman is athletic enough. Hate to label him like that, cause I know he's always gotten cast as the hard-working overachieving DE, but I just don't think he is fluid enough to drop into coverage.

[Partial]

Barnett cannot shed blocks. 3-4 LBs all have to take on and shed blocks.

Kampman is tiny for 3-4 end. Plus, it's a complete waste of his pass rushing talent ot make him a block eater.

Horrible idea. We'll play 4-3 IMO.

Terrell Suggs is around the same size as Kampman -- he lists as 1" shorter and 5# lighter. He's done ok in both LB/DE positions in the Ravens 3-4.

Nolan helped develop Suggs, too. I'd wager he might be able to convert Kampman.

I'm not sure Kampman is athletic enough. Hate to label him like that, cause I know he's always gotten cast as the hard-working overachieving DE, but I just don't think he is fluid enough to drop into coverage.

Somebody around here, I believe JustinHarrell, likes to talk about how the Packers had Kampman ranked as the second most athletic linemen in the combine his draft year or something to that effect.

Perhaps they can shed some light.

[Bossman641]

Barnett cannot shed blocks. 3-4 LBs all have to take on and shed blocks.

Kampman is tiny for 3-4 end. Plus, it's a complete waste of his pass rushing talent ot make him a block eater.

Horrible idea. We'll play 4-3 IMO.

Terrell Suggs is around the same size as Kampman -- he lists as 1" shorter and 5# lighter. He's done ok in both LB/DE positions in the Ravens 3-4.

Nolan helped develop Suggs, too. I'd wager he might be able to convert Kampman.

I'm not sure Kampman is athletic enough. Hate to label him like that, cause I know he's always gotten cast as the hard-working overachieving DE, but I just don't think he is fluid enough to drop into coverage.

Somebody around here, I believe JustinHarrell, likes to talk about how the Packers had Kampman ranked as the second most athletic linemen in the combine his draft year or something to that effect.

Perhaps they can shed some light.

You're right. I do remember that his numbers at the combine were really good. I dunno, I just can't picture Kampman running with a TE or RB, even for a short amount of time. But then again I can't really picture Poppinga doing it and he's been starting for a few years now.

[wist43]

Switching to a 3-4 would be painful, do in part to the money they have invested in 4-3 personnel.

That said, Kampman could bulk up and hold down one end, and Jenkins is a nice fits on the other side... NT would be an issue.

The real problem would be at LB... the Packers don't have any 3-4 LB's really. Hawk and Barnewtt would be even more pedestrian in a 3-4. Would have to be a total purge at LB. You need big play guys at LB in a 3-4... TT would have to really focus on bringing in a lot of new guys.

[run pMc]

I hope they stay with the 4-3. I don't think they have the personnel to make the switch, and I think Kampman is worth more to GB than what he'd get in trade.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

As far as how the Packers' current personal meshes with the 3-4, it's a mixed bag

After 2007, this was a defense that posters were saying could be top 10...I don't think a scheme change that dramatic will be an upgrade, certainly not in Year 1. What happens when the preseason comes along and the defense is getting torched because the players are still learning the defense?
How long before posters start flaming the new DC?

I think either Harrell has to make the leap or TT has to find a better DT.
They need a pass rushing DE.
They need a better safety than Bigby or Rouse.
And they need a better DC than Sanders...he was too slow in his in-game adjustments.

[pbmax]

Bump. Here is the breakdown of player types that might be called for depending on how Nolan aligns his defense. Now we just need to figure our which he is going to run.

[westcoastpacker]

Hi all First time poster but I have been lurking for a few years now. I thought this would be a good place to post this from the National football post.
FIVE THINGS I HEAR….

1. I hear that some Jets employees are calling Randy Lerner of the Browns to recommend Eric Mangini. The longer this goes on, the more worried Mangini should be that Lerner is interviewing other people. There are rumblings that other coaches are being called for interviews.



2. I hear the Packers are committed to becoming a 3-4 defense. This must mean Mike Nolan is coming on board very soon.



3. I hear the Lions are looking to talk with Atlanta offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey about becoming their head coach. This might be good news since all the good young quarterbacks — Matthew Stafford of Georgia, Josh Freeman of Kansas State and Sam Bradford of Oklahoma – will soon declare for the NFL Draft.



4. I hear the Eagles are not going to stand in the way if Tom Heckert is able to convince Randy Lerner that he should be the Browns’ general manager.



5. I hear the Raiders are just getting started on their coaching search, and many people in and out of the NFL feel that this is Tom Cable’s job. I happen to agree.

[Deputy Nutz]

Here is the problem, it is not whether you run a 3-4 or 4-3, the problem is finding a defensive mind that can run a flexible system that combines the best of both worlds. For instance the Patriots. Sure they are labeled a 3-4 but god damn it if I haven't seen the Patriots line up with 4 defensive linemen with their hand on the ground. Sure if Bob Sanders was running a 3-4 you would only ever see three down linemen. The one thing a defense can't do is become predictable and under Sanders that is exactly what it became whether you are talking 4 man lined fronts or only running man coverage, any dolt assistant coach on a high JV team can figure out how to beat man coverage if that is the only thing that is shown to him.

[denverYooper]

Here is the problem, it is not whether you run a 3-4 or 4-3, the problem is finding a defensive mind that can run a flexible system that combines the best of both worlds. For instance the Patriots. Sure they are labeled a 3-4 but god damn it if I haven't seen the Patriots line up with 4 defensive linemen with their hand on the ground. Sure if Bob Sanders was running a 3-4 you would only ever see three down linemen. The one thing a defense can't do is become predictable and under Sanders that is exactly what it became whether you are talking 4 man lined fronts or only running man coverage, any dolt assistant coach on a high JV team can figure out how to beat man coverage if that is the only thing that is shown to him.

Amen