JS---"WILLIAMS IN HIGH DEMAND""

[red]

i'm starting to get nervous

Why? I'm glad McCarthy isn't rushing this. It's not like we're going to run out of defensive coordinators, there's a ton of position coaches for teams like Tennessee and the Giants that are potential hires.

if i'm not mistaken, those guys have already had some interviews with teams

like i said, this is not a time when m3 needs to be sitting around taking his time. if you do that you're going to be picking through the leftover scraps

thats what worries me

[Bretsky]

i'm starting to get nervous

Why? I'm glad McCarthy isn't rushing this. It's not like we're going to run out of defensive coordinators, there's a ton of position coaches for teams like Tennessee and the Giants that are potential hires.

if i'm not mistaken, those guys have already had some interviews with teams

like i said, this is not a time when m3 needs to be sitting around taking his time. if you do that you're going to be picking through the leftover scraps

thats what worries me

Seeing Red and I see things the same too much lately....here's a simpler take

Would it be too f'ckin much to ask to make a bold move, a bold hire of somebody who has run the show with success ?

Or are we going to dink around for a couple weeks and risk losing some of the best perceived candidates ?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I wonder if Sanders will come back if MM begs real nice.

[red]

i'm starting to get nervous

Why? I'm glad McCarthy isn't rushing this. It's not like we're going to run out of defensive coordinators, there's a ton of position coaches for teams like Tennessee and the Giants that are potential hires.

if i'm not mistaken, those guys have already had some interviews with teams

like i said, this is not a time when m3 needs to be sitting around taking his time. if you do that you're going to be picking through the leftover scraps

thats what worries me

Seeing Red and I see things the same too much lately....here's a simpler take

Would it be too f'ckin much to ask to make a bold move, a bold hire of somebody who has run the show with success ?

Or are we going to dink around for a couple weeks and risk losing some of the best perceived candidates ?

both TT and m3 seem to me to be the kinds of guys who won't go out there and grap the world by the horns

they seem like guys that sit back and wait for things to happen

and to me, thats not good in that industry

[Lurker64]

Here's why I'm not concerned. I think it's much more important that we get a coach who can work well with McCarthy and who can work well with our players than to get a coach who is one of the perceived best candidates. Williams is unquestionably a good defensive coordinator, but to say he can be difficult to deal with is an understatement. He inherited a top 10 defense in Jacksonville, and took them to 21st in the league, largely because he was entirely unable to get along with Del Rio. Nolan did well with some outlandishly talented defenses in Baltimore, but other than that hasn't actually accomplished much (his defense in San Francisco actually got better after he left.)

I'd much rather have a position coach from a good defensive team that can work well with McCarthy than a guy with an established track record who wouldn't mesh well here.

I mean, our baseline is Bob Sanders here. It's not going to be too hard to do better.

[Bretsky]

Here's why I'm not concerned. I think it's much more important that we get a coach who can work well with McCarthy and who can work well with our players than to get a coach who is one of the perceived best candidates. Williams is unquestionably a good defensive coordinator, but to say he can be difficult to deal with is an understatement. He inherited a top 10 defense in Jacksonville, and took them to 21st in the league, largely because he was entirely unable to get along with Del Rio. Nolan did well with some outlandishly talented defenses in Baltimore, but other than that hasn't actually accomplished much (his defense in San Francisco actually got better after he left.)

I'd much rather have a position coach from a good defensive team that can work well with McCarthy than a guy with an established track record who wouldn't mesh well here.

I mean, our baseline is Bob Sanders here. It's not going to be too hard to do better.

Very true on the Sanders point

But I still want the best coach; good coaches can blend peronalities. If MM can't get along with the best candidate and is more worried about getting along I'd be pretty disappointed.

As far as the Jags, I think their fall had more to do with losing a dominating DT and injuries than it did with coaching. Well, it didn't help much that Del Rio seemed to lose some players either

[red]

i don't want a yes man for M3, or someone that thinks the same way as him

i want someone agressive that will disagree with M3 when he's doing something dumb

[RashanGary]

MM knows how Williams coaches defense. I've heard him say very positive things about how Williams defenses show up with very tough game plans (when we played them).

He knows what he can do. He knows what he does. He knows what he is even before the interview because he's competed with him in actual games. If he gets along well with him and thinks they can be a good match, then I don't think there is any reason to wait. Best case is that one of the young up and comers is a good DC and costs less money. If you're a team that can afford extra dough on a coach (and the Packers are) then why not just take the sure thing. I think we're close to something good and if we make the playoffs it will pay itself off 3 fold anyway. Working with the salary cap is very different. You pay money that takes away from other parts of the team. This takes away nothing. They have it piled up in reserves. It doesn't hurt the team at all to pay a little extra.

I understand if he thought it would be a bad working relationship, but if he doesn't think there is an issue then all he's doing is holding out for a guy that he won't know if he can do it until he does it.

[RashanGary]

I consider myself a pretty smart buyer. If there is anything I do well, it's that I almost always get more than what I pay for.

If Ted and Mike are going to take the "no stone unturned" route, that is fine but this is a case where I don't think you can grunt yourself into knowing more about the other candidates. You can't predict what a DC is going to do if he's never been a DC. You can't trust what a coach has to say about another assistant because it wall always be good.

Williams is good. If you get along with him, you're not going to find anything better and if it is it will be negligable and finding it is not a sure thing. Probably, most new DC's will be worse and 1 of the 5 might be better. Your odds aren't very good. I'm with the desperate crowd here. If you have your guy and you can afford him then get him. If you're the Vikings and price is a big part of it, I understand wanting to pan for gold, but we're not. Just pull up with the truck and pick up whatever piece you want.

If they have reservations about Williams I understand, but if you really like him and you're going to try to beat him by interviewing 32 year old assistants then I think you're an idiot if he ends up taking another job.

[Carolina_Packer]

How about Herm Edwards? Chances are Scott Pioli is going to fire him now that he is in KC, and Edwards, I believe, is a defensive guy. Edwards has ties to MM through Marty Schottenheimer. Just a thought.

[vince]

How about Herm Edwards? Chances are Scott Pioli is going to fire him now that he is in KC, and Edwards, I believe, is a defensive guy. Just a thought.

Herm's a Tampa 2 guy. Not what McCarthy is looking for I wouldn't think.

[red]

How about Herm Edwards? Chances are Scott Pioli is going to fire him now that he is in KC, and Edwards, I believe, is a defensive guy. Just a thought.

Herm's a Tampa 2 guy. Not what McCarthy is looking for I wouldn't think.

i don't know if i still buy into that 100 %. in fact i think it might be a good idea to make that move.

we use the man press because we have two of the best guys in the nfl at doing that in woodson and harris. and these guys seem very hard to come by.

harris might have 1 more year left in the tank. and woodson just might have made the permanent big move to safety that was much talked about when he first came here