Saints Hire Williams

[Fritz]

Damned if he do, damned if he don't.

I guess what bothers me is the speculative nature of so much of the reporting. How do we know that Nolan was first choice of MM? Did he ever say so? Did someone who purports to know what MM is thinking (this seems to me a relatively new tactic - "someone who is familiar with so-and-so's thinking" is the new line I am seeing in these articles) tell someone that yeah, I know Mike, and this is what he would be thinking?

It's sloppy, it's desperate, it's the state of 24 hour reporting. It's generating words to fill up space. It's not even truthy. It's speculation written in a manner that suggests knowledge.

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What the H? Why are we settling for these third and fourth options? Clearly the other guys have superior track records? Is Teets cheaping out? You've got to pay for talent. That's the only reason I can think that they'd choose another job over GBP.

Maybe the rumors about GB holding their coin close to their chest are true?

Fair or not, there's an impression that the leading candidates have given McCarthy a stiff-arm to the face. Mike Nolan interviewed with McCarthy and took Denver's DC position. Gregg Williams interviewed with McCarthy and today was named the Saints’ DC.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Packers don't have an owner hogging all of their profits. They've never been cheap when it comes to paying coaches and staff or maintaining their facilities. I'd guess money has ZERO to do with it. Nobody knows what McCarthy is thinking. Perhaps he's in the market for an up-and-coming coach, but interviewed Nolan, Williams, and Haslett as either a fallback or to "kick the tires." Like Fritz said, it's all pure speculation.

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Packers don't have an owner hogging all of their profits. They've never been cheap when it comes to paying coaches and staff or maintaining their facilities. I'd guess money has ZERO to do with it. Nobody knows what McCarthy is thinking. Perhaps he's in the market for an up-and-coming coach, but interviewed Nolan, Williams, and Haslett as either a fallback or to "kick the tires." Like Fritz said, it's all pure speculation.

Is it possible the recession is putting the 50 mil they had in cash reserves in jeopardy.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is it possible the recession is putting the 50 mil they had in cash reserves in jeopardy.

Doubt it. That reserve is over $100M now, and there are cost controls in the NFL. Teams split most revenue streams, and if the revenues aren't coming in, then the salary cap goes down (thus, controlling their expenditures). The salary cap has continued to go up, so that tells me the recession hasn't affected the NFL very much.

[Waldo]

What the H? Why are we settling for these third and fourth options? Clearly the other guys have superior track records? Is Teets cheaping out? You've got to pay for talent. That's the only reason I can think that they'd choose another job over GBP.

Maybe the rumors about GB holding their coin close to their chest are true?

Fair or not, there's an impression that the leading candidates have given McCarthy a stiff-arm to the face. Mike Nolan interviewed with McCarthy and took Denver's DC position. Gregg Williams interviewed with McCarthy and today was named the Saints’ DC.

The last DC turned around a bad defense and made it respectable. After 1 bad season riddled with injuries he was let go, viewed as the scapegoat. The last HC had an outstanding record, making it to the playoffs in virtually every season. After 1 bad season riddled with injuries he was let go, viewed as the scapegoat. The head trainer, after 1 season riddled with injuries, he was let go, viewed as a scapegoat. This will be the Packers 5th DC since the 2003 season, all fired (in lieu of HC hirings), one a scapegoat over a single play. Even going back further, the Majik man shreds his shoulder, and the coaching staff and front office is let go. We hired a HC that went 8-8 his first season and was fired that season in the recent past. GB is pink slip happy, and has been for a long time.

When we begin to show faith in our coaches and personnel staff after down years, and stop the impression (right or wrong) that we make coaches scapegoats when players get hurt, the top tier coaches may begin to show an interest in coming to GB. It isn't a money issue, getting fired does no favors to a guy with career ambitions (few coaches in the league don't dream of being a HC), and if you come to GB, you will get fired. GB hasn't had a DC go on to be a HC since.....

McCarthy and Thompson are just an injury to Aaron from being shown the door. It is the way it works in GB. All coaches know it, and because of it few, if any, coaches will view Green Bay as a top option.

[Freak Out]

Would be nice but not served at Lambeau - gotta hate Miller Lite. Speaking of beer - Wisconsin has nice up and coming breweries in Tyranea, Ale Asylum, etc.).

That's a misconception, that you can only get miller lite at lambeau. I've delivered and set up guinness, harp and labatt blue taps there. also guinness, heineken, and corona in bottles.

I had a ale brewed just for Curleys bar when I was there for the Rats game? What the hell is the name of it...?

[Waldo]

Is it possible the recession is putting the 50 mil they had in cash reserves in jeopardy.

Doubt it. That reserve is over $100M now, and there are cost controls in the NFL. Teams split most revenue streams, and if the revenues aren't coming in, then the salary cap goes down (thus, controlling their expenditures). The salary cap has continued to go up, so that tells me the recession hasn't affected the NFL very much.

I was under the impression that TT completed the long term reserve goal of a full season operating funds in the reserve, approximately 180-200M total.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Earlier in the year, it was reported the Packers have a $50M cash preserve and a $127M franchise preservation fund. Not sure if the $50M is included in the $127M.

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What the H? Why are we settling for these third and fourth options? Clearly the other guys have superior track records? Is Teets cheaping out? You've got to pay for talent. That's the only reason I can think that they'd choose another job over GBP.

Maybe the rumors about GB holding their coin close to their chest are true?

Fair or not, there's an impression that the leading candidates have given McCarthy a stiff-arm to the face. Mike Nolan interviewed with McCarthy and took Denver's DC position. Gregg Williams interviewed with McCarthy and today was named the Saints’ DC.

The last DC turned around a bad defense and made it respectable. After 1 bad season riddled with injuries he was let go, viewed as the scapegoat. The last HC had an outstanding record, making it to the playoffs in virtually every season. After 1 bad season riddled with injuries he was let go, viewed as the scapegoat. The head trainer, after 1 season riddled with injuries, he was let go, viewed as a scapegoat. This will be the Packers 5th DC since the 2003 season, all fired (in lieu of HC hirings), one a scapegoat over a single play. Even going back further, the Majik man shreds his shoulder, and the coaching staff and front office is let go. We hired a HC that went 8-8 his first season and was fired that season in the recent past. GB is pink slip happy, and has been for a long time.

When we begin to show faith in our coaches and personnel staff after down years, and stop the impression (right or wrong) that we make coaches scapegoats when players get hurt, the top tier coaches may begin to show an interest in coming to GB. It isn't a money issue, getting fired does no favors to a guy with career ambitions (few coaches in the league don't dream of being a HC), and if you come to GB, you will get fired. GB hasn't had a DC go on to be a HC since.....

McCarthy and Thompson are just an injury to Aaron from being shown the door. It is the way it works in GB. All coaches know it, and because of it few, if any, coaches will view Green Bay as a top option.

Good post. I largely disagree with it, but welcome to PackerRats

[HarveyWallbangers]

Good post. I largely disagree with it, but welcome to PackerRats

Seconded.

[Waldo]

What the H? Why are we settling for these third and fourth options? Clearly the other guys have superior track records? Is Teets cheaping out? You've got to pay for talent. That's the only reason I can think that they'd choose another job over GBP.

Maybe the rumors about GB holding their coin close to their chest are true?

Fair or not, there's an impression that the leading candidates have given McCarthy a stiff-arm to the face. Mike Nolan interviewed with McCarthy and took Denver's DC position. Gregg Williams interviewed with McCarthy and today was named the Saints’ DC.

The last DC turned around a bad defense and made it respectable. After 1 bad season riddled with injuries he was let go, viewed as the scapegoat. The last HC had an outstanding record, making it to the playoffs in virtually every season. After 1 bad season riddled with injuries he was let go, viewed as the scapegoat. The head trainer, after 1 season riddled with injuries, he was let go, viewed as a scapegoat. This will be the Packers 5th DC since the 2003 season, all fired (in lieu of HC hirings), one a scapegoat over a single play. Even going back further, the Majik man shreds his shoulder, and the coaching staff and front office is let go. We hired a HC that went 8-8 his first season and was fired that season in the recent past. GB is pink slip happy, and has been for a long time.

When we begin to show faith in our coaches and personnel staff after down years, and stop the impression (right or wrong) that we make coaches scapegoats when players get hurt, the top tier coaches may begin to show an interest in coming to GB. It isn't a money issue, getting fired does no favors to a guy with career ambitions (few coaches in the league don't dream of being a HC), and if you come to GB, you will get fired. GB hasn't had a DC go on to be a HC since.....

McCarthy and Thompson are just an injury to Aaron from being shown the door. It is the way it works in GB. All coaches know it, and because of it few, if any, coaches will view Green Bay as a top option.

Good post. I largely disagree with it, but welcome to PackerRats

It has been written about here and there by some talking heads, Kirwin has mentioned it on Sirius since Sanders was fired, and this morning National Football Post (Brandt and Bechta's site) noted it, though the writer didn't mention the Pack by name, he clearly was writing to Packer fans.

If your favorite team seems to be having trouble landing its first choice for a vacant job, whether it is general manager or defensive coordinator, take a look at how the last person left the position. It will tell you a great deal about how anxious a potential successor, with options, will be to follow them.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/01/the-coaching-carousel-9/

[Fritz]

I'm trying to think of NFL franchises that don't operate in that manner. Maybe the Eagles...the Patriots...the Titans...franchises that are in the hunt not just for the playoffs but to get deep into the playoffs rather frequently.

That is to say, if you're a coach - any kind of coach - or GM in this league, and you work for a team that isn't a threat to go deep into the playoffs every couple of years, at least - you aren't going to have much job security.

And that would be the vast majority of teams in the NFL.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Considering Williams went to a team in a similar situation as Green Bay, I'm not sure the argument holds water. Both teams have coaches going into their 4th year who fired a DC who had been with him the first three years.

[Waldo]

Considering Williams went to a team in a similar situation as Green Bay, I'm not sure the argument holds water. Both teams have coaches going into their 4th year who fired a DC who had been with him the first three years.

The Saint' D has been ranked 13th, 25th, and 26th in scoring in his tenure, and was 28th the year before he took over.

The Packers D has been ranked 25th, 6th, and 22nd in scoring in his tenure, and was 19th the year before he took over.

The Saints D is/was a mess. The Packers were a good D on the rise derailed by injuries. The Saints D was riddled by injuries, but the Packers D lost it's best pass rusher, it's best player, and its MLB/leader. What would the Ravens D be without Suggs, Lewis, and Ngata? That is the same as us losing KGB, Barnett, and Jenkins.