Saints Hire Williams

[HarveyWallbangers]

It will be interesting to see whose defense does better next year: Denver, New Orleans, or Green Bay.

[Fritz]

Because defensive linemen are such risky picks, it makes sense to go the TT route and try to get quantity, hoping the odds will help you.

I wonder what percentage of first round defensive linemen are busts, compared to other positions?

And having seen so many FSU defensive linemen bust in the NFL, I fear the Packers taking another in the first round.

[rbaloha1]

And having seen so many FSU defensive linemen bust in the NFL, I fear the Packers taking another in the first round.

Jamal Reynolds any one. This years crop is poor. Free agency is a better option for this particular year.

Trading down is starting to become a viable option given the current crop of players likely available at #9.

[Waldo]

And having seen so many FSU defensive linemen bust in the NFL, I fear the Packers taking another in the first round.

Jamal Reynolds any one. This years crop is poor. Free agency is a better option for this particular year.

Trading down is starting to become a viable option given the current crop of players likely available at #9.

There are two slated DE FA's of note, Suggs and Peppers. The chance that both hit the FA market is very, very low, and there's a good chance that neither do. We'll be competing with at least 16 other teams if either hits the market. Peppers is a true RDE, Suggs is an elephant OLB and better off playing SLB/RuDE in a 4-3.

Reynolds probably wouldn't have been a bust if he wouldn't have tore up his knee and he was used as a RuDE or elephant/joker OLB instead of trying to use him as an every down 4-3 DE, which he was too small for.

Brown and Orapko both are better suited as RuDE's or elephant/joker OLB's than every down DE's, though both have the frame to add the size necessary to be an every down DE.

[Fritz]

Waldo, didn't Reynolds tear up his knee after his first year, or no?

And what is an "RuDE" "Joker" linebacker?

Please help me to understand.

[rbaloha1]

And having seen so many FSU defensive linemen bust in the NFL, I fear the Packers taking another in the first round.

Jamal Reynolds any one. This years crop is poor. Free agency is a better option for this particular year.

Trading down is starting to become a viable option given the current crop of players likely available at #9.

Recall the great Ron Wolf admitted he caved into pressure by drafting a much needed pass rusher. (Went away from his conventional wisdom of selecting the best available player. KGB also had not displayed superior pass rushing abilities until after Reynolds was drafted.) Basically Reynolds was a reach.

In your opinion are any of these playes a reach at #9?

There are two slated DE FA's of note, Suggs and Peppers. The chance that both hit the FA market is very, very low, and there's a good chance that neither do. We'll be competing with at least 16 other teams if either hits the market. Peppers is a true RDE, Suggs is an elephant OLB and better off playing SLB/RuDE in a 4-3.

Reynolds probably wouldn't have been a bust if he wouldn't have tore up his knee and he was used as a RuDE or elephant/joker OLB instead of trying to use him as an every down 4-3 DE, which he was too small for.

Brown and Orapko both are better suited as RuDE's or elephant/joker OLB's than every down DE's, though both have the frame to add the size necessary to be an every down DE.

[Waldo]

RuDE = situational pass rusher a la KGB

Joker/Elephant OLB = Weakside 3-4 OLB. Joker is usually the phrase used when the player is in a 4-3/hybrid system, the Joker is the wildcard that makes the 3-4/4-3 switch, a guy that rushes hands down or up and switches alignment, and occasionally drops into shallow coverage (Jason Taylor/Terrell Suggs are examples). Elephant OLB is the 3-4 term for the player the pass rush OLB (Demarcus Ware/Shawn Merriman are examples).

The Giants used Kiwi in a similar role in '07, he played SLB in base sets (Poppinga) and RuDE in pass rush sets (KGB). If we drafted a guy like Brown I would expect this to be his use. I am surprised that Jeremy Thompson isn't being used this way, as he had a good amount of pass coverage experience in college. It is pretty rare for a elephant OLB to have any coverage experience on draft day, generally they are small, fast DE's in college with no coverage experience when they get to the pros. This is exactly what Poppinga was, a small college DE, he actually played both SLB and RuDE at times this last season, but he was not a high first round caliber pass rusher.

[Fritz]

Thank you.

[Guiness]

Caution, Gregg Williams was the second highest paid assistant by the second lowest IQ owner in the NFL. He was paid that much to be Head Coach in waiting. Of course, when Gibbs retired, Little Napoleon decided he had to have an offensive minded head coach.

Geez - I can't even begin to imagine trying to rank NFL owner's smarts. I think it was Lamar Hunt who made the comment about NFL owners being a group of rich idiots, himself included.

I guess you were smart putting Snyder as #2, and leave #1 up to our imagination. Does you IQ actually drop as you get older and senile?

[Fritz]

Caution, Gregg Williams was the second highest paid assistant by the second lowest IQ owner in the NFL. He was paid that much to be Head Coach in waiting. Of course, when Gibbs retired, Little Napoleon decided he had to have an offensive minded head coach.

Geez - I can't even begin to imagine trying to rank NFL owner's smarts. I think it was Lamar Hunt who made the comment about NFL owners being a group of rich idiots, himself included.

I guess you were smart putting Snyder as #2, and leave #1 up to our imagination. Does you IQ actually drop as you get older and senile?

Why not? This is a discussion board.

I'd give the top spot to William Clay Ford. Go Bill!

[Guiness]

Geez - I can't even begin to imagine trying to rank NFL owner's smarts. I think it was Lamar Hunt who made the comment about NFL owners being a group of rich idiots, himself included.

I guess you were smart putting Snyder as #2, and leave #1 up to our imagination. Does you IQ actually drop as you get older and senile?

Why not? This is a discussion board.

I'd give the top spot to William Clay Ford. Go Bill!

Really? I actually don't consider him that big an idiot, more foolish for trusting that he had the right person in the job. He left it to his 'football people' it just so happens that his football people fooled him into believing they knew what they were doing.

[Fritz]

Geez - I can't even begin to imagine trying to rank NFL owner's smarts. I think it was Lamar Hunt who made the comment about NFL owners being a group of rich idiots, himself included.

I guess you were smart putting Snyder as #2, and leave #1 up to our imagination. Does you IQ actually drop as you get older and senile?

Why not? This is a discussion board.

I'd give the top spot to William Clay Ford. Go Bill!

Really? I actually don't consider him that big an idiot, more foolish for trusting that he had the right person in the job. He left it to his 'football people' it just so happens that his football people fooled him into believing they knew what they were doing.

Guin, that guy's owned the team since 1964 and he has zero championships to show for it. That's forty four years of trusting the wrong people, for long periods of time, then hiring new incompetent people who he then trusts for long periods of time.

Maybe it's not a lack of intelligence, sure. Maybe it's a psychological issue. But he's a sucky owner if you're interested in having a winning team. Wayne Fontes was his best coach in the last thirty five years!