McShay predicting a frustrating draft?

[Guiness]

Not that everyone doesn't already know it, but guesses at the draft, even well educated ones, are worse than useless at this point.

The deck will be well shuffled at the combine. Like it or not, results there can and will change everything. For pretty much every position outside of QB, the results from there have huge implications. Look at the threads on this forum, posters often trot out combine numbers to prove that a guy has the necessary tools and athleticism.

/Captain Obvious

[Zool]

I can't imagine why the Pack would want Crabtree given their current WR crop. Especially if Nelson really was injured all season and may emerge this coming season.

Same reason the Vikes drafted Peterson even though they had a 1200 yard RB on the team. If you can take a guy who's that good, you just do it and figure out where to put everyone later.

I hear ya. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if he made some sort of improbable, Randy Moss-like slide to no.22. I just see the Pack having more pressing needs on both lines.

I agree, I wouldnt trade up to get him, but if he slides they might not be able to pass him up. Seattle would be a good spot for him, but they need a lot of help too.

[sheepshead]

Not that everyone doesn't already know it, but guesses at the draft, even well educated ones, are worse than useless at this point.

The deck will be well shuffled at the combine. Like it or not, results there can and will change everything. For pretty much every position outside of QB, the results from there have huge implications. Look at the threads on this forum, posters often trot out combine numbers to prove that a guy has the necessary tools and athleticism.

/Captain Obvious

You betcha, more useless effort and speculation is put into the NFL draft than anything I have ever seen.

[bigcoz75]

I'm not an insider so I don't know where McShay had Michael johnson going, but i didn't see him in the first half of rd 1. I would love to see TT trade up to the bottom of the first or top of the 2nd to pick this guy up if he falls that far due to his production #s. I have a feeling he'll climb back up to the first half after putting up some freakish combine numbers though. Top ten measureables 2nd rd production. 6'7" 260 4.6 40
nice pick6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4wmL...eature=related
1:20 in coverage; vs. Eugene Monroe at the end of the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKWDGf5-Hc

[red]

i don't think theres anyway we pick orakpo or johnson now that we've switched to 3-4. those two are strictly 4-3 de's and i haven't read about anyone talking about them being able to make the move to OLB.

and both those guys are way too small to be de's in a 3-4

either go for maybin there, or hope that sintim or english is there in the second. like i've said before, scouts say sintim is a perfect OLB in the 3-4 and he's already been playing that position for 4 years, so he won't have to make a big transition like brown or maybin would have to make

[red]

maybe if a guy like sen'derrick marks slips to the second he might be a good pick. he's a DT listed at 291, but until this year he played DE

[Joemailman]

i don't think theres anyway we pick orakpo or johnson now that we've switched to 3-4. those two are strictly 4-3 de's and i haven't read about anyone talking about them being able to make the move to OLB.

and both those guys are way too small to be de's in a 3-4

either go for maybin there, or hope that sintim or english is there in the second. like i've said before, scouts say sintim is a perfect OLB in the 3-4 and he's already been playing that position for 4 years, so he won't have to make a big transition like brown or maybin would have to make

Mayock has Orakpo listed as an OLB. Johnson he has listed at DE.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d80dff358&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

[red]

i guess mayock thinks you have to be 295 to be a DE, or 6'7

so to this douche, everette brown not only isn't the top DE, but he's also only the 5th best olb

i really hate mayock

[rbaloha1]

I'm not an insider so I don't know where McShay had Michael johnson going, but i didn't see him in the first half of rd 1. I would love to see TT trade up to the bottom of the first or top of the 2nd to pick this guy up if he falls that far due to his production #s. I have a feeling he'll climb back up to the first half after putting up some freakish combine numbers though. Top ten measureables 2nd rd production. 6'7" 260 4.6 40
nice pick6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4wmL...eature=related
1:20 in coverage; vs. Eugene Monroe at the end of the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzKWDGf5-Hc

Michael Johnson has only one year of productivity. Great physical abilities but too risky to pick.

[Lurker64]

i guess mayock thinks you have to be 295 to be a DE, or 6'7

so to this douche, everette brown not only isn't the top DE, but he's also only the 5th best olb

i really hate mayock

I think Mayock was just giving his opinions on which DEs could also be OLBs (Orakpo, Brown, Maybin) and which couldn't (Jackson, Johnson). That's entirely fair, considering roughly 1/3 of the NFL is looking for 3-4 personnel these days.

[Fritz]

Like everyone else, I have no idea who's going where, except I will say I highly, highly doubt the Lions take a QB with the #1 pick.

I will only say that if the draft plays out where a guy you really, really like is still sitting there, at, say, #7 overall, the Packers' third round pick would - using the trade value chart below - theoretically be enough (along of course with the #9 pick) to net them that #7 pick.

But to leapfrog over only two teams in exchange for a third round pick...wow, that's a lot to give up.

Still, high first round picks are sexy...BJ Raji, anyone?

[Fritz]

Uh, yeah, that trade value chart....

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

[Bretsky]

Jenkins would fill a huge need and be an immediate upgrade for the nickle spot.

How is that not immediately helping the transition? Al has at best one year left, if that, as he is borderline useless in zone coverage. Jenkins is a really nice corner prospect.

Calling Harris borderline useless is a silly comment; he played some zone in Phily and was alrigtht there. Also IMO silly to say he has "at best" one year left. He may adapt; maybe he transitions to safety. Maybe he transitions to a great nickle back while Williams excels in the current D.
Your thoughts may be right; but not a lot of evidence to support them.

I'm alright with Jenkins if he becomes a perrenial all pro.

TT needs to find a star in this draft; the positions won't matter as much as picking the right guy.

[cheesner]

Like everyone else, I have no idea who's going where, except I will say I highly, highly doubt the Lions take a QB with the #1 pick.

I will only say that if the draft plays out where a guy you really, really like is still sitting there, at, say, #7 overall, the Packers' third round pick would - using the trade value chart below - theoretically be enough (along of course with the #9 pick) to net them that #7 pick.

But to leapfrog over only two teams in exchange for a third round pick...wow, that's a lot to give up.

Still, high first round picks are sexy...BJ Raji, anyone?

Cleveland traded a 2nd to go from 7 to 6 to draft TE Winslow in the 2004 draft.

[Fritz]

How'd that work out for them???