2009: Another Slow Start in the Cards?

[Pacopete4]

I feel better already. And I had forgotten that the pall of the Favre drama will not be hanging over the team this year.

I'm glad.. Gives TT butt rammers one less excuse to use when this team falls flat again and his record as GM gets even worse because he sits on his hands and thinks he's better than anyone that's ever drafted a team in the NFL..

What useful purpose did this serve? We're past this type of stuff. As a final warning, my quarter is two headed and I'll be looking for tails. In short, if this keeps up, you won't be coming back...

What was the point? It was saying TT is too arrogant to properly do his job to the fullest and that his followers, the butt rammers, are too blind to see that and after this next season.. They won't have Favre to blame.. Not a hard concept to follow

Just cuz u don't agree with the point I'm making, doesn't make it wrong..

Ps. If were truely past this why was the Favre drama ok to bring up and not TT's inability to do his job right?

[red]

i won't rule out a slow start again

i don't see us coming out and having a top 5 d next year and making the super bowl. it will take time for new d to get their sea legs.

i just wish they would have made the damn change last year, then we could have gotten a-rods bugs worked out last year and get the kinks fixed in the d. then this year we would be ready to make a run

add that to the fact that the o-line just completely manages to have their heads shoved as far up their asses as they can possibly have them at the start of the season. and i don't see a fast start

it does make me excited about our future, but i would be shocked if we lit it up this next season

[Pacopete4]

i won't rule out a slow start again

i don't see us coming out and having a top 5 d next year and making the super bowl. it will take time for new d to get their sea legs.

i just wish they would have made the damn change last year, then we could have gotten a-rods bugs worked out last year and get the kinks fixed in the d. then this year we would be ready to make a run

add that to the fact that the o-line just completely manages to have their heads shoved as far up their asses as they can possibly have them at the start of the season. and i don't see a fast start

it does make me excited about our future, but i would be shocked if we lit it up this next season

Itd be great to get a game changer either on O or D this offseason it would help a lot

[Fritz]

I feel better already. And I had forgotten that the pall of the Favre drama will not be hanging over the team this year.

I'm glad.. Gives TT butt rammers one less excuse to use when this team falls flat again and his record as GM gets even worse because he sits on his hands and thinks he's better than anyone that's ever drafted a team in the NFL..

What useful purpose did this serve? We're past this type of stuff. As a final warning, my quarter is two headed and I'll be looking for tails. In short, if this keeps up, you won't be coming back...

What was the point? It was saying TT is too arrogant to properly do his job to the fullest and that his followers, the butt rammers, are too blind to see that and after this next season.. They won't have Favre to blame.. Not a hard concept to follow

Just cuz u don't agree with the point I'm making, doesn't make it wrong..

Ps. If were truely past this why was the Favre drama ok to bring up and not TT's inability to do his job right?

Two things, PP. First, the "Favre drama" was simply my noting - in a thread about whether the Pack will start slow in 09 - that one factor in the Packers' favor this year is that they won't have the tension of last year from Favre's change of mind.

Secondly, had you originally said "TT's inability to do his job right," people might've disagreed, but you wouldn't be being threatened to be booted from the forum. I believe it was the "butt rammer" reference that did it.

Are you getting any of this?

[Pacopete4]

I feel better already. And I had forgotten that the pall of the Favre drama will not be hanging over the team this year.

I'm glad.. Gives TT butt rammers one less excuse to use when this team falls flat again and his record as GM gets even worse because he sits on his hands and thinks he's better than anyone that's ever drafted a team in the NFL..

What useful purpose did this serve? We're past this type of stuff. As a final warning, my quarter is two headed and I'll be looking for tails. In short, if this keeps up, you won't be coming back...

What was the point? It was saying TT is too arrogant to properly do his job to the fullest and that his followers, the butt rammers, are too blind to see that and after this next season.. They won't have Favre to blame.. Not a hard concept to follow

Just cuz u don't agree with the point I'm making, doesn't make it wrong..

Ps. If were truely past this why was the Favre drama ok to bring up and not TT's inability to do his job right?

Two things, PP. First, the "Favre drama" was simply my noting - in a thread about whether the Pack will start slow in 09 - that one factor in the Packers' favor this year is that they won't have the tension of last year from Favre's change of mind.

Secondly, had you originally said "TT's inability to do his job right," people might've disagreed, but you wouldn't be being threatened to be booted from the forum. I believe it was the "butt rammer" reference that did it.

Are you getting any of this?

Now just think how many times I've been called smething in a thread for supporting brett and being on that side... Don't see any mods or administrators coming down on them ever.... Ever! Are you gettng that? It's so one sided it's unreal.. Dsagree with me til u die but at least give me the same respect u give any other poster, whether u agree with me or not and I'd do the same... Oh and butt rammers is bad on these boards now? Talk about holding people to different standards..

[mission]

Here's the thing, Pete ...

You're basically breaking it down into "Favre supporters" and "TT butt rammers" ... the verbiage, I'm fine with... I'm a big boy.

First of all, it's not so black and white.

The most logical, easy to understand concept I can try to get you to understand is really pretty simple.

TT is the Green Bay Packers' General Manager. The decisions he makes impact the team we root for and wish to do well. So obviously we tend to give him the benefit of the doubt since we have no choice anyway.

Brett Favre is a player who used to play for the Green Bay Packers and now has nothing to do with the team's success. One way or the other... the words he says, the passes he throws ... anything and everything he does has nothing to do with how this team performs.

It's pretty easy to see why people tend to be verbally supportive of TT ... we WANT him to do well. It's OUR team.

It's also pretty easy to see why some people don't give a damn about Favre right now. They don't consider emotional factors in their decision making ... just logic, right-here-and-now, what actually matters kind of things.

If you don't get that, I mean... what can anyone say?

[Pacopete4]

Here's the thing, Pete ...

You're basically breaking it down into "Favre supporters" and "TT butt rammers" ... the verbiage, I'm fine with... I'm a big boy.

First of all, it's not so black and white.

The most logical, easy to understand concept I can try to get you to understand is really pretty simple.

TT is the Green Bay Packers' General Manager. The decisions he makes impact the team we root for and wish to do well. So obviously we tend to give him the benefit of the doubt since we have no choice anyway.

Brett Favre is a player who used to play for the Green Bay Packers and now has nothing to do with the team's success. One way or the other... the words he says, the passes he throws ... anything and everything he does has nothing to do with how this team performs.

It's pretty easy to see why people tend to be verbally supportive of TT ... we WANT him to do well. It's OUR team.

It's also pretty easy to see why some people don't give a damn about Favre right now. They don't consider emotional factors in their decision making ... just logic, right-here-and-now, what actually matters kind of things.

If you don't get that, I mean... what can anyone say?

All that is understood, but me as a guy who thinks TT is doing a crap job, shouldn't be treated like shit cuz I have a different opinion.. Treating people like that isn't the right way to go about Anythig either

[Bossman641]

I think the offense is going to have to shoulder the load for the first 1/4 - 1/3 of the season while some of the defensive players get back into the groove and the entire 3-4 scheme gels. I think the offense is definitely capable of picking up the slack, but without knowing what the schedule will look like it is hard to say for sure.

[Bretsky]

The key is to get better players

if TTT finds us a starting caliber player on FA on defense and then has a good draft we'll be fine

Snap out of it Fritz

Better players + Better Coaches + More Health= 2009 Success

[Partial]

I'm with Bretsky, but I think we need to bring in two good players in FA. I'm in support of bringing in any combination of two of the following three: Peppers, Scott, and Canty.

We cannot neglect the DL and assume they'll fill the end spot opposite of Jenkins. Last year the DL was awful, and we don't have a natural there. Canty won't be too expensive imo because he is a niche player who fits our scheme nicely.

Would like Peppers outside and Poppinga inside with Barnett not being counted on, or I would rather have Barnett outside and Scott inside.

I simply don't think a banged up Barnett is going to be able to take on a guard in the running game.

[Bretsky]

I'm with Bretsky, but I think we need to bring in two good players in FA. I'm in support of bringing in any combination of two of the following three: Peppers, Scott, and Canty.

We cannot neglect the DL and assume they'll fill the end spot opposite of Jenkins. Last year the DL was awful, and we don't have a natural there. Canty won't be too expensive imo because he is a niche player who fits our scheme nicely.

Would like Peppers outside and Poppinga inside with Barnett not being counted on, or I would rather have Barnett outside and Scott inside.

I simply don't think a banged up Barnett is going to be able to take on a guard in the running game.

I agree Partial, but to be honest, I've been too disappointed in past Free Agency to ever thing TT will bring us two

[Lurker64]

Would like Peppers outside and Poppinga inside with Barnett not being counted on, or I would rather have Barnett outside and Scott inside.

Poppinga's too slow to play inside in this scheme. Barnett is too small to play outside in this scheme. If Barnett is healthy, we have our two ILBs for this defense. In simplistic terms, 3-4 defenses come in two styles: Speed inside and size outside, or size inside and speed outside. We will be playing the former.

Scott, I'm not so sure about. LBs oftentimes leave Baltimore and find limited success elsewhere. It may have something to do with scheme.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Division title in 2009. Honestly, the schedule will be important. It would be nice to get some creampuffs early while we are adapting. It would also give us momentum--which seems to be huge in the NFL nowadays. My ideal first game would be an ARod led comeback over the Bears at Soldier Field.

[Bretsky]

I'd consider anything less than a divisional title a failure next year for sure

[Lurker64]

I'd consider anything less than a divisional title a failure next year for sure

So you're not on board with winning the superbowl as a wildcard team, then?