Favre plans to retire!

[cpk1994]

Why are some so obsessed with the feelings of a guy that drove Brett Favre out of Green Bay?

The extreme Favre supporters behave like any other religious cult. Facts don't matter, it's all faith-based. Love of Him justifies any statement in His support.

The only action that TT took was to not accept Favre back as the starting QB in July, 5 months after he had retired. It was a debatable choice, but certainly a reasonable one. Now in retrospect, TT looks positively wise.

Starting around November, the Favre Cult has been saying in desperate tones that they hoped that He would retire after this season. Why? Its obvious that Favre has lost his edge, and they don't want to see him embarass himself further.

So why is the cult unwilling to simply acknowledge that TT made the correct decision in the interest of the Packers? Why are they carrying on with this outragous slur about TT "driving Favre out of town."?

BEcause it is a cult. There is no reason behind their statements, simply uncritical worship.

I think also that some of that stems from the fact theat some of those fans never liked TT from the day he was hired. This just fuels the hatred. I call them the Tank-ophiles.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As for benefit: Interesting how you make assertions then refuse to explain. I find it almost ludicrous to suggest that a team with 30k or so people on the waiting list for tix, a team with a die hard wisco and national fan base, and a team that consistently ranks in the top ten for mechandise (we were 5th for 08) will see much of a benefit.,

If they didn't think they would benefit, why would they offer him 20 million to make appearances, etc? Of course there is a benefit!

I'm not saying the Packers will suffer because Brett Favre is gone...the fan base is awesome.

But I was actually talking about the retirement ceremony. If/when that happens it will be a huge draw in Green Bay ....and there is no way you can deny that.

Benefit: You are now talking about something else. We were talking strictly about his jersey retirement. But, as for your 20 million...uh, they were asking him to WORK for that 20 million. Clearly a bit of difference. They will derive a benefit because someone will be working for that money. They would derive a benefit if joe blow in the mailroom does his job the money they pay him.

Ceremony: Sure, it will help the local economy, but you have failed to show how it will help the packers..and that was the crux of the argument.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hey Tyrone......................Favre sells $$$$$$$$$

I never said he didn't. But, do you really think the packers will be killed because he doesn't play for them anymore?

Packer merch will always sell.

[ThunderDan]

Don't you think it would be a huge draw regardless of whether TT is there at the retirement ceremony or not?

The initial discussion was about Harlan and Wolf being there. It will be a huge draw regardless. I just agreed with someone saying it would be nice to have both of them there. I really wouldn't care if TT is there or not.

I don't see how a TT appearance would drive down the interest in Favre's jersey retirement. Hell, maybe they can even put TT in stocks after the game and let all the Favre superfans throw tomatoes at him for driving their superhero away. That would really drive up the interest.

Interesting marketing idea.

Hopefully, at some point, the hurt feelings will subside and both sides will talk. Maybe Favre could even shake TT's hand, which would reflect well on Favre, TT, and the organization. Would I be angry at Favre if he doesn't do that? No. But I also wouldn't be angry at the Packers if they refuse to have Favre's retirement until he grows up and stops looking at things so emotionally.

That's funny. The Packers refuse to have his jersey retirement? I don't think that will happen.

The point that some were making is that it will be Favre's jersey retirement. Would be nice to give him some consideration in the matter. Maybe the bitter Favre fans could even find it in their heart to celebrate for a moment or two on that day.

That is so unrealistic I can't believe you actually think that would happen.

When my dad retired he asked Tommy Thompson to stay away but that damn Governor of ours decided to show. He wouldn't let Anthony Earl or Fred Risser do it.

That is sarcasm. He was very happy the Governor would take time out of his busy schedule.

[ThunderDan]

TT and Murphy are the boys in the front office for GB. They need to be at every Packer event of that stature.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Word is that brett won't show if Travis Conard shows up. Travis got all uppity when brett wanted his password changed to "fuckTT."

[Fritz]

Whenever Favre's jersey is finally retired, I hope it stays retired....

[Gunakor]

To be fair, what Brett says could in fact turn out to be the truth. He may just have been lied to or decieved by TT. We'll probably never know

Huh? Favre went on the Gretta Van Sustren Show to broadcast how he had been abused. It turned into a self-pity party, with Favre grasping at straws. He was hardly holding his tongue.

If Favre was lied to, why did the Favre camp, including ESPN, never state anything specific? Its not like they were shy about slandering the Packer management in general terms. The Packers published a detailed chronology of events, the Favre Cult had EVERY opportunity to challenge wrong or misleading information.

"To be fair", as you say, there is zero evidence that Favre was mistreated in any way. And "to be fair", it is wrong to slander TT with these theories that don't pass the smell test.

What do you want me to say? I'm being completely objective here, or trying to anyway, and am allowing for the possibility that the whole story hasn't come out yet. We don't know for certain how it specifically went down. All we know is what the Packers have said happened and what Favre said had happened. We base our opinion on whichever story we think is the truth. Meaning all any of us fans have to base our opinion on are assumptions. I'm of the same opinion as you Harlan, but I'm not convinced that Thompson was/is 100% free of guilt in the matter.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ahhh, you're a Hatfield alrighty. I seen ya shittin outside the Hatfield double wide. I got no use for Hatfields and Favres.

[Gunakor]

You are one sick bastard Harlan.

And, to be honest, I don't really understand the correlation. You certainly couldn't be trying to lump me in with the "TT's a snake" crowd. I'm not throwing any stones in either direction. So I don't get the Hatfield/McCoy reference.

In any case, it doesn't matter. Who's right, who's wrong, will Favre come back and embrace the Packers or not, none of those things matter anyway. The franchise will be successful both as a business and as a football team regardless of what Favre decides to do. So who cares.

[Bretsky]

To be fair, what Brett says could in fact turn out to be the truth. He may just have been lied to or decieved by TT. We'll probably never know

Huh? Favre went on the Gretta Van Sustren Show to broadcast how he had been abused. It turned into a self-pity party, with Favre grasping at straws. He was hardly holding his tongue.

If Favre was lied to, why did the Favre camp, including ESPN, never state anything specific? Its not like they were shy about slandering the Packer management in general terms. The Packers published a detailed chronology of events, the Favre Cult had EVERY opportunity to challenge wrong or misleading information.

"To be fair", as you say, there is zero evidence that Favre was mistreated in any way. And "to be fair", it is wrong to slander TT with these theories that don't pass the smell test.

What do you want me to say? I'm being completely objective here, or trying to anyway, and am allowing for the possibility that the whole story hasn't come out yet. We don't know for certain how it specifically went down. All we know is what the Packers have said happened and what Favre said had happened. We base our opinion on whichever story we think is the truth. Meaning all any of us fans have to base our opinion on are assumptions. I'm of the same opinion as you Harlan, but I'm not convinced that Thompson was/is 100% free of guilt in the matter.

don't bother using reasoning/common sense on this topic with Harlan; all reasoning is futile......futile

[mraynrand]

I'm not sure which I like better, Tanhäusser, Götterdämmerung, or Das LiebFavrebot



"Who joins us not in frolic jest
Shall have a dagger in his breast"

[Harlan Huckleby]

And, to be honest, I don't really understand the correlation. You certainly couldn't be trying to lump me in with the "TT's a snake" crowd.

I got your point. I have only a small difference of opinion with you, but decided to entertain myself by signing you up with the bad guys. I'm that way.

I have a pet peeve. If a man publicly accuses someone of unethical behavior or bad faith, he ought to lay out the evidence. Or as a minimum make a concrete accusation.

As far as I can tell, TT is guilty of nothing more than doing his job. He did not dis Favre, he gave him a fair opportunity to stay with the team until Favre retired on his own terms. If anything, the PAckers over-indulged Lord Favre over recent years.

I resent that the Favre Cult has used TT as a scapegoat. Favre created the mess with his spoiled behaivor, and his admirers don't want to face it. TT the devil is all too convienent.

There truly is only ONE way to settle this: Favre needs to make another trip to Gretta Van Sustern's porch and get it all out. I did not sense that he was pulling any punches during his first visit. On the contrary, all I heard was hurt pride and unfocused lashing-out. But perhaps there is some there there.

Lets have it, Favre: if you got the dirt on TT, lay it out. Otherwise I think an apology to TT and the Packer organization is in order.

[CaptainKickass]

The franchise will be successful both as a business and as a football team regardless of what Favre decides to do. So who cares.

And it only took 11 pages to get there.

Well said Gun - well said.

[cpk1994]

And, to be honest, I don't really understand the correlation. You certainly couldn't be trying to lump me in with the "TT's a snake" crowd.

I got your point. I have only a small difference of opinion with you, but decided to entertain myself by signing you up with the bad guys. I'm that way.

I have a pet peeve. If a man publicly accuses someone of unethical behavior or bad faith, he ought to lay out the evidence. Or as a minimum make a concrete accusation.

As far as I can tell, TT is guilty of nothing more than doing his job. He did not dis Favre, he gave him a fair opportunity to stay with the team until Favre retired on his own terms. If anything, the PAckers over-indulged Lord Favre over recent years.

I resent that the Favre Cult has used TT as a scapegoat. Favre created the mess with his spoiled behaivor, and his admirers don't want to face it. TT the devil is all too convienent.

There truly is only ONE way to settle this: Favre needs to make another trip to Gretta Van Sustern's porch and get it all out. I did not sense that he was pulling any punches during his first visit. On the contrary, all I heard was hurt pride and unfocused lashing-out. But perhaps there is some there there.

Lets have it, Favre: if you got the dirt on TT, lay it out. Otherwise I think an apology to TT and the Packer organization is in order.

Amen. But you shouldn't be wasting this greatness on us poor schmucks, but emailing that directly to Favre himself.