Report: Vikes on verge of acquiring Rosenfels

[Partial]

I'm not gonna get into it with you again regarding the Rodgers stuff because you obviously are gonna stick with your viewpoint no matter how many holes are shot through it, but I'm wondering how you can say that Jenkins was a minor loss? He was playing lights out when he got injured, and that end spot turned into a revolving door of garbage once he got hurt. If you don't think having Jenkins lined up there instead of Montgomery or Hunter was a big deal then I have to wonder what games you were watching.

When has Jenkins been more than an average to below average contributor? Last year, he was injured. Two years ago, the coaches ripped on him for being an ineffective player all year when injured. The year before? He had a solid end of the year, and an below average beginning of the year.

Guy has been a walking injury throughout his career. One has to be able to tell the difference between production and potential. He has all the potential in the world. Love him as a prospect outside of the injury history. Hate him as a productive player. Always hurt, can't play through injuries (according to coaches), and a perennial tease.

Hey Hoosier, where is the logic exactly that Rodgers is better than average? Surely plenty of quarterbacks have nice stats, but how many good quarterbacks lead a team chock full of talent to a 6-10 record? Ron Wolfe is even on record as saying he doesn't think Rodgers is a winner. Say what you want, but Ronnie Wolf has a pretty solid track record and I'll trust HIS judgement over yours.

[cpk1994]

I'm not gonna get into it with you again regarding the Rodgers stuff because you obviously are gonna stick with your viewpoint no matter how many holes are shot through it, but I'm wondering how you can say that Jenkins was a minor loss? He was playing lights out when he got injured, and that end spot turned into a revolving door of garbage once he got hurt. If you don't think having Jenkins lined up there instead of Montgomery or Hunter was a big deal then I have to wonder what games you were watching.

When has Jenkins been more than an average to below average contributor? Last year, he was injured. Two years ago, the coaches ripped on him for being an ineffective player all year when injured. The year before? He had a solid end of the year, and an below average beginning of the year.

Guy has been a walking injury throughout his career. One has to be able to tell the difference between production and potential. He has all the potential in the world. Love him as a prospect outside of the injury history. Hate him as a productive player. Always hurt, can't play through injuries (according to coaches), and a perennial tease.

Hey Hoosier, where is the logic exactly that Rodgers is better than average? Surely plenty of quarterbacks have nice stats, but how many good quarterbacks lead a team chock full of talent to a 6-10 record? Ron Wolfe is even on record as saying he doesn't think Rodgers is a winner. Say what you want, but Ronnie Wolf has a pretty solid track record and I'll trust HIS judgement over yours.

Show us the quote. I highly doubt Ron Wolf said anything of the kind. You probably spun it that way. Give us the quote or you are full of BS.

EDIT: Gotta slow down so I can spell better.

[Freak Out]

Hey fuckers....this thread is about Sage! Show the man some respect.

[Tarlam!]

This reminds me of the famous mouthbreathing knuckle draggers that used to frequent JSO.

For which you Sheepdip are totally infamous.

Go fuck yourself, I dont know what rock YOU crawled out from out of-but if all you can do is pop on here and continue personal attacks, then you sir need to get some serious help-back where ever it is you came from please.

Charming. You know you were a shit stirrer at JSO. So do I. I was merely pointing out the truth. You, on the other hand, have chosen to personally attack me. Typical Sheepdip.

[Bossman641]

I'm not gonna get into it with you again regarding the Rodgers stuff because you obviously are gonna stick with your viewpoint no matter how many holes are shot through it, but I'm wondering how you can say that Jenkins was a minor loss? He was playing lights out when he got injured, and that end spot turned into a revolving door of garbage once he got hurt. If you don't think having Jenkins lined up there instead of Montgomery or Hunter was a big deal then I have to wonder what games you were watching.

When has Jenkins been more than an average to below average contributor?

This year, before he got hurt.

I'm not disagreeing with you that he is injury prone, but as far as what we are actually discussing here - his effectiveness, yes he was very effective before he got injured.

Does he need to stay healthy? Yes

Was he playing well this year? 12 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and 1 FF in roughly 3.25 games. Yes!!

[Freak Out]

This reminds me of the famous mouthbreathing knuckle draggers that used to frequent JSO.

For which you Sheepdip are totally infamous.

Go fuck yourself, I dont know what rock YOU crawled out from out of-but if all you can do is pop on here and continue personal attacks, then you sir need to get some serious help-back where ever it is you came from please.

Charming. You know you were a shit stirrer at JSO. So do I. I was merely pointing out the truth. You, on the other hand, have chosen to personally attack me. Typical Sheepdip.

How was the Narren parade this year bro?

[hoosier]

Hey fuckers....this thread is about Sage! Show the man some respect.

Good point. All this petty bickering is dissing the Rosencopter. Speaking of which, did you see that the Vikings are rumored to be interested in acquiring Mike Vick after his scheduled July release from federal prison?

"We need to put somebody in place that will push him and compete with him," Childress said. "I think competition is the nature of the game."

Childress wouldn't confirm or deny interest in Vick.

"I really don't get into hypotheticals because I think there's too much water that's got to happen. I'd cross that bridge when I come to it."

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=520018

[Tarlam!]

How was the Narren parade this year bro?

I'm a total carnival nerd. But I hear it was very political.

[Lurker64]

Partial, I think it's fair to say that as Packer fans we do not want ANY "average" player on our team. ESPECIALLY at the very important quarterback position. Thus it is fair to assume, that anyone you can convince that Aaron Rodgers is "average" would also have to agree that he should be replaced as soon as possible. Why don't you take some time and write a little blurb about who should we should go after either/both in the draft or free agency or trade. Take some time. Give us your reasons why that guy or guys would be a better choice than Rodgers. Let's really have a discussion rather than , what I think this really is, idol moronic bitching from someone who is looking for attention. This reminds me of the famous mouthbreathing knuckle draggers that used to frequent JSO.

I think you hit on something here, which I will try to expand upon without invectives.

Teams do not evaluate which players to release or replace based on "he fails to fall within some arbitrary fuzzy linguistic hedge for excellence at his position. Certainly, they tend to try to identify and replace the bad players, but NFL rosters, even on good teams, are chock full of average players. You don't decide to replace somebody because "he's average, and we need more than an average player at that position."

What NFL GMs actually do, and should do, is evaluate each position: Is there someone better out there that's available in free agency? In the draft? What would it cost to get him? Would the cost be justified by the upgrade of quality in the position?

To wit, it doesn't fucking matter whether Rodgers is elite, great, average, poor, whatever if there's nothing out there to get that's better than Rodgers. There's no QB in the draft this year or next that I think is more promising than Rodgers, there's no QB available in free agency of via trade (within reason, if you traded 50 first round picks to Indianapolis, they might give you Peyton) that's more promising than Rodgers. Rodgers is better than anything we're going to get any time soon. So it doesn't matter whether or not he's above or below average. What matters is whether or not he can put the team in position to win football games, and whether enough other guys on the team can make plays to compensate for his "acute averageness" in order to win those games. We really are spoiled at QB, we get a guy who throws for 4000 yards, 28 TDs, and only 13 INTs despite having an injured throwing arm for all but four games, and some people want to run him out of town...

And... to bring this discussion back to the original point of the thread, this is why the Vikings move was reasonable. Is Sage better than Gus or Tarvaris? Unquestionably to my mind. Did they spend much to upgrade the position? No, only a fourth round pick, you would be hard pressed to find a player that would improve Minnesota more in the fourth round than Rosenfels will. Rosenfels probably falls within whatever "mythic average" category that Partial is concerned about, but he's still going to help that team over there win games better than whatever he's replacing. So, if we want to harp on Rodgers, please find me a better QB that's going to be available.

[cpk1994]

Partial, I think it's fair to say that as Packer fans we do not want ANY "average" player on our team. ESPECIALLY at the very important quarterback position. Thus it is fair to assume, that anyone you can convince that Aaron Rodgers is "average" would also have to agree that he should be replaced as soon as possible. Why don't you take some time and write a little blurb about who should we should go after either/both in the draft or free agency or trade. Take some time. Give us your reasons why that guy or guys would be a better choice than Rodgers. Let's really have a discussion rather than , what I think this really is, idol moronic bitching from someone who is looking for attention. This reminds me of the famous mouthbreathing knuckle draggers that used to frequent JSO.

I think you hit on something here, which I will try to expand upon without invectives.

Teams do not evaluate which players to release or replace based on "he fails to fall within some arbitrary fuzzy linguistic hedge for excellence at his position. Certainly, they tend to try to identify and replace the bad players, but NFL rosters, even on good teams, are chock full of average players. You don't decide to replace somebody because "he's average, and we need more than an average player at that position."

What NFL GMs actually do, and should do, is evaluate each position: Is there someone better out there that's available in free agency? In the draft? What would it cost to get him? Would the cost be justified by the upgrade of quality in the position?

To wit, it doesn't fucking matter whether Rodgers is elite, great, average, poor, whatever if there's nothing out there to get that's better than Rodgers. There's no QB in the draft this year or next that I think is more promising than Rodgers, there's no QB available in free agency of via trade (within reason, if you traded 50 first round picks to Indianapolis, they might give you Peyton) that's more promising than Rodgers. Rodgers is better than anything we're going to get any time soon. So it doesn't matter whether or not he's above or below average. What matters is whether or not he can put the team in position to win football games, and whether enough other guys on the team can make plays to compensate for his "acute averageness" in order to win those games. We really are spoiled at QB, we get a guy who throws for 4000 yards, 28 TDs, and only 13 INTs despite having an injured throwing arm for all but four games, and some people want to run him out of town...

Only Partial wants to run him out of town.

[Fritz]

So how 'bout that Sage Rosenfels guy, huh?

[sharpe1027]

So how 'bout that Sage Rosenfels guy, huh?

Sage who? I am starting to think that the Vikings are going to sign Rodgers.

[Fritz]

So how 'bout that Sage Rosenfels guy, huh?

Sage who? I am starting to think that the Vikings are going to sign Rodgers.

Ah, he's only average.

[sheepshead]

Partial, I think it's fair to say that as Packer fans we do not want ANY "average" player on our team. ESPECIALLY at the very important quarterback position. Thus it is fair to assume, that anyone you can convince that Aaron Rodgers is "average" would also have to agree that he should be replaced as soon as possible. Why don't you take some time and write a little blurb about who should we should go after either/both in the draft or free agency or trade. Take some time. Give us your reasons why that guy or guys would be a better choice than Rodgers. Let's really have a discussion rather than , what I think this really is, idol moronic bitching from someone who is looking for attention. This reminds me of the famous mouthbreathing knuckle draggers that used to frequent JSO.

I think you hit on something here, which I will try to expand upon without invectives.

Teams do not evaluate which players to release or replace based on "he fails to fall within some arbitrary fuzzy linguistic hedge for excellence at his position. Certainly, they tend to try to identify and replace the bad players, but NFL rosters, even on good teams, are chock full of average players. You don't decide to replace somebody because "he's average, and we need more than an average player at that position."

What NFL GMs actually do, and should do, is evaluate each position: Is there someone better out there that's available in free agency? In the draft? What would it cost to get him? Would the cost be justified by the upgrade of quality in the position?

To wit, it doesn't fucking matter whether Rodgers is elite, great, average, poor, whatever if there's nothing out there to get that's better than Rodgers. There's no QB in the draft this year or next that I think is more promising than Rodgers, there's no QB available in free agency of via trade (within reason, if you traded 50 first round picks to Indianapolis, they might give you Peyton) that's more promising than Rodgers. Rodgers is better than anything we're going to get any time soon. So it doesn't matter whether or not he's above or below average. What matters is whether or not he can put the team in position to win football games, and whether enough other guys on the team can make plays to compensate for his "acute averageness" in order to win those games. We really are spoiled at QB, we get a guy who throws for 4000 yards, 28 TDs, and only 13 INTs despite having an injured throwing arm for all but four games, and some people want to run him out of town...

And... to bring this discussion back to the original point of the thread, this is why the Vikings move was reasonable. Is Sage better than Gus or Tarvaris? Unquestionably to my mind. Did they spend much to upgrade the position? No, only a fourth round pick, you would be hard pressed to find a player that would improve Minnesota more in the fourth round than Rosenfels will. Rosenfels probably falls within whatever "mythic average" category that Partial is concerned about, but he's still going to help that team over there win games better than whatever he's replacing. So, if we want to harp on Rodgers, please find me a better QB that's going to be available.

As I have pointed out to Partial, this isn't fantasy football. He has this Brett Favre highlight reel running in his head. There will likely not be another Brett Favre in our lifetime. I think TT and his group have brought in a talented guy and nurtured him properly and I couldnt be more pleased with our QB. Where his stats end up will be fodder for discussion on boards like this for years to come. He's following a legend and so far I like what I see.

[cpk1994]

As I have pointed out to Partial, this isn't fantasy football. He has this Brett Favre highlight reel running in his head. There will likely not be another Brett Favre in our lifetime. I think TT and his group have brought in a talented guy and nurtured him properly and I couldnt be more pleased with our QB. Where his stats end up will be fodder for discussion on boards like this for years to come. He's following a legend and so far I like what I see.

I agree. Sums up my thoughts as well.