36 million in cap room

[dtown]

Unofficial list of players whose contracts expire after this season:

Kampman, Clfton, Chillar, Pickett, Collins, Colledge, Jennings, Spitz, Blackmon, Moll, Jolly.

shit... thats a lot of players ready to hit free agency...

Jennings/Collins is a must lock up...

Kampman is a wait and see (depending how he does in 3-4)

Pickett could still be a sufficient NT (matters how much he wants)

The rest matters how much they want / if they fit ....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the case of an uncapped season (requiring 6 years for UFA) then Jennings and Collins (and Spitz, Moll, Colledge, Jolly & Blackmon) wouldn't become UFA's. I'd imagine this uncertainty would give more incentive for both parties to enter into a long term deal before the season.

[Guiness]

As far as trading for Peppers, aside from what Carolina would want, he's guaranteed the amount he was tendered for next season. Even if the team he goes to signs him to a long term deal, it has to include $16-$17 million (whatever the tender was) for this year.

I don't think we want to pay that for him, regardless.

[Waldo]

As far as trading for Peppers, aside from what Carolina would want, he's guaranteed the amount he was tendered for next season. Even if the team he goes to signs him to a long term deal, it has to include $16-$17 million (whatever the tender was) for this year.

I don't think we want to pay that for him, regardless.

That doesn't mean the cap hit has to be 16-17M, it means he physically had to be given that much money.

The minimum deal he can be signed to is a salary of 3.4M this year and a signing bonus of 13.6M, for a 2009 cap hit of 6.8M (about what Kampman makes). He's gonna get a lot more than that. But we have the cap space to frontload the snot out of it this year and next in salary and give him a smaller signing bonus, then come out of the uncapped year with a guy that costs little to the cap and is easy to cut if need be.

IMO it is better to resign the bulk of our guys after the '09 season. Only the vital parts or big savings (Jennings and Colledge IMO) should be resigned now, the rest can get big salaries instead of bonuses next year, and emerge from the uncapped year with very cap cheap contracts.

It is feasible (but rather ludicrous) that for example...say Rodgers didn't get his deal until next year and we allowed his original deal to expire at the end of this year. We could pay him 50M in salary next year (I believe, I don't think the 30% rule applies to guys not under contract), then 2M each successive year, and end up with a QB who got a 60M contract, that counts 2M toward the cap each successive year the rest of its life.

Basically, aside from the huge hit to the liquid bank account and difficulty of negotiating a lot of contracts, it is very advantageous to have a lot of contracts expire after '09. The team can emerge from uncapped into capped football with a very cheap roster (to the cap).

[Guiness]

As far as trading for Peppers, aside from what Carolina would want, he's guaranteed the amount he was tendered for next season. Even if the team he goes to signs him to a long term deal, it has to include $16-$17 million (whatever the tender was) for this year.

I don't think we want to pay that for him, regardless.

That doesn't mean the cap hit has to be 16-17M, it means he physically had to be given that much money.

The minimum deal he can be signed to is a salary of 3.4M this year and a signing bonus of 13.6M, for a 2009 cap hit of 6.8M (about what Kampman makes). He's gonna get a lot more than that. But we have the cap space to frontload the snot out of it this year and next in salary and give him a smaller signing bonus, then come out of the uncapped year with a guy that costs little to the cap and is easy to cut if need be.

IMO it is better to resign the bulk of our guys after the '09 season. Only the vital parts or big savings (Jennings and Colledge IMO) should be resigned now, the rest can get big salaries instead of bonuses next year, and emerge from the uncapped year with very cap cheap contracts.

It is feasible (but rather ludicrous) that for example...say Rodgers didn't get his deal until next year and we allowed his original deal to expire at the end of this year. We could pay him 50M in salary next year (I believe, I don't think the 30% rule applies to guys not under contract), then 2M each successive year, and end up with a QB who got a 60M contract, that counts 2M toward the cap each successive year the rest of its life.[/b]

So part of the guaranteed amount could be signing bonus, i.e. pro-rated. I didn't realize that.

I know there's a mess of rules about the uncapped year - and I've been patently ignoring them. I get a kick out of the financial side of things, have picked it up over time, and don't mind occasionally doing some research on a point...but to try and digest everything that's going to happen in an uncapped year is just too much.

[Fritz]

Dammit, I want Waldo and Patler working in the front office for the Packers.

[falco]

Dammit, I want Waldo and Patler working in the front office for the Packers.

and i want you to be the best man at my wedding

just saying

[Bretsky]

Dammit, I want Waldo and Patler working in the front office for the Packers.

Pictures me in charge of free agency and then Waldo and Patler breaking down numbers I don't want to hear

[Fritz]

Bretsky, you'd be better suited to work for Daniel Snyder.

[Fritz]

Dammit, I want Waldo and Patler working in the front office for the Packers.

and i want you to be the best man at my wedding

just saying

I'm honored, Falco. Is her sister hot by any chance (I am single now).

[falco]

I'm honored, Falco. Is her sister hot by any chance (I am single now).

depends on your definition...

[falco]

also, by my wedding I mean my new packers forum, and by best man i mean moderator, but you get the point... you are my favorite poster.

although waldo has the best combination of avatar and football knowledge

[falco]

also, i could have gone the skinbasket route with that imagine but I kept it pg-13 on purpose

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, you'd be better suited to work for Daniel Snyder.

I'd prefer Jerry Jones cuz Bretsky wants the spotlight when his cream rises to the top

[falco]

Bretsky, you'd be better suited to work for Daniel Snyder.

I'd prefer Jerry Jones cuz Bretsky wants the spotlight when his cream rises to the top

isn't the annual trip to the corporate retreat in hawaii good enough for you? oh, wait....

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, you'd be better suited to work for Daniel Snyder.

I'd prefer Jerry Jones cuz Bretsky wants the spotlight when his cream rises to the top

isn't the annual trip to the corporate retreat in hawaii good enough for you? oh, wait....