Packers express interest in Chris Canty

[gbpackfan]

“Seattle’s up now,” Blank said. “That can change (though). One phone call from the Packers or Broncos or San Francisco or Tennessee, or someone I haven’t even talked to yet, can change that.”

Blank on Saturday spoke to Reggie McKenzie, the Packers’ co-director of football operations, who told him the team still wants Canty in for a visit after first expressing that desire Friday. But Blank wants to hear from General Manager Ted Thompson directly whether the Packers are in Canty’s financial ballpark before scheduling a visit to Green Bay.


If TT really wants to get this done, now is the time. No more sitting on the sideline. Canty would be a real nice addition to our D, IMO.

[RashanGary]

“Seattle’s up now,” Blank said. “That can change (though). One phone call from the Packers or Broncos or San Francisco or Tennessee, or someone I haven’t even talked to yet, can change that.”

Those fuckers and their jedi mind tricks annoy the piss out of me. What he means to say is, "nobody has blown us away so hopefully it happens soon."

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40490592.html

apparently GB not willing to meet numbers for Canty as of yet

[mission]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40490592.html


apparently GB not willing to meet numbers for Canty as of yet

the comments on that page are hilarious... guys are mad we arent gonna bring back sharper... lol

[Fritz]

I've heard - only heard - that Olshansky is a loafer, a bad attitude guy, etc. What has anyone else heard? Anybody have any credible info?

That's the JSO blog said. Everyone I've talked to, including SD fans, disagrees with that sentiment completely. They're letting him walk since SD treats DE's like TT treats G's. They don't pay a lot so that they can pay their pass rushers and NT's alot. TT pays for his fancy tackles with cheap guards.

I've become so jaded agaisnt the JSO and GBPG that I can't even read them any more, basically assuming every word they write has an agenda, and that their "scouts" are nothing more than their beer drinking buddies. I do talk to an actual scout (not a pro scout) and several guys that played D1 college football, they always disagree with the newspapers scout's assessments.

I thought that we weren't going to be after Canty, according to their sources. The JSO is full of crap. If Igor is the next best option if we can't get Canty, why not paint him in a bad light when they know that he's a probable signing, that way they can rip on TT when he does sign him. They never, ever, ever can praise TT, and often print negative seed stories when they know something is going to happen (see the latest talk that Pickett is inadequate at NT) so that they can rip on it when it does happen.

I have no problem with the critique of the paper's sources, but the anti-TT agenda thing is going one step too far.

Wilde and McGinn (no idea on GBPG) were the only two football writers giving the Packer's side the Favre situation any run last summer (edit: overstatement-Glazer and Schefter were getting Packer info too). To the point that most radio and letter to the editor traffic (and some commenters here) thought they were acting like the press release office.

There has been a decided turn-around narrative developing since the end of the season that the locals are always hacking away at Thompson and the Packers. I don't believe this to be the case. I think they are more at the mercy of their sources more than we know. For instance, the communication floodgate was as wide open as ever (both leaks and on the record) for the Favre A Poolooza. They haven't had access to either T2 or M3 like that very often. Add that to the fact that Favre had frozen the local guys out and made the national guys his go to media outlet, their information was generally pro Packer.

That is unlike the end of this season, where both coach and GM retreated after firing several coaches. You go 6-10 and then fire the defensive staff, it looks like a clusterfudge, and in failing to say word one, that was the coverage they got (headline on McGinn story: Firings Make McCarthy Look Small).

I don't think they are seeding anything or grinding an axe. Their confusion on Canty and Igor could also be explained, as Waldo hypothesized, by a leak planted to throw people off their trail.

Well, PB, we may not agree, but I do enjoy the fact that you understand the way the media works - that it creates narratives to sell its product, and that those narratives are subject to the push-pull of differing sides. And so it is true also that the Packer organization has its own narrative to get out into the market, I'll agree with that. And I'll agree that MM did not make himself very accessible, though that is understandable.

I do disagree with you though that the JSO or GBPG (though I'm harsher about the JSO) has been creating a pro-Packer narrative. My sense of their pro-Packer sentiment is that it was in part a result of Favre shutting them out - thus they reacted against Favre, which had the added benefit of adding fuel to the fire. Outside of that situation last summer, I think the JSO has mostly set up TT to look bad, no matter what. That narrative sells more papers than "let's support TT and MM." Look at today's article about Cole and Canty going elsewhere. After acknowledging in the article that the Pack is not interested in breaking the bank on Canty and is interested in Cole but only at a certain price, the paper suggests that not getting Canty or Cole will mean the Packers have been "shut out."

If TT chooses not to break the bank for Canty or to overpay for a journeyman like Cole, is that being "shut out"?

[Fritz]

If you look at Waldo's posting from last night...what if the Pack doesn't want Canty in town today cuz they've flown someone else in and can't talk to Canty yet? What if Olshansky's in town?

Rumors! Yeah baby!

[cpk1994]

I've heard - only heard - that Olshansky is a loafer, a bad attitude guy, etc. What has anyone else heard? Anybody have any credible info?

That's the JSO blog said. Everyone I've talked to, including SD fans, disagrees with that sentiment completely. They're letting him walk since SD treats DE's like TT treats G's. They don't pay a lot so that they can pay their pass rushers and NT's alot. TT pays for his fancy tackles with cheap guards.

I've become so jaded agaisnt the JSO and GBPG that I can't even read them any more, basically assuming every word they write has an agenda, and that their "scouts" are nothing more than their beer drinking buddies. I do talk to an actual scout (not a pro scout) and several guys that played D1 college football, they always disagree with the newspapers scout's assessments.

I thought that we weren't going to be after Canty, according to their sources. The JSO is full of crap. If Igor is the next best option if we can't get Canty, why not paint him in a bad light when they know that he's a probable signing, that way they can rip on TT when he does sign him. They never, ever, ever can praise TT, and often print negative seed stories when they know something is going to happen (see the latest talk that Pickett is inadequate at NT) so that they can rip on it when it does happen.

I have no problem with the critique of the paper's sources, but the anti-TT agenda thing is going one step too far.

Wilde and McGinn (no idea on GBPG) were the only two football writers giving the Packer's side the Favre situation any run last summer (edit: overstatement-Glazer and Schefter were getting Packer info too). To the point that most radio and letter to the editor traffic (and some commenters here) thought they were acting like the press release office.

There has been a decided turn-around narrative developing since the end of the season that the locals are always hacking away at Thompson and the Packers. I don't believe this to be the case. I think they are more at the mercy of their sources more than we know. For instance, the communication floodgate was as wide open as ever (both leaks and on the record) for the Favre A Poolooza. They haven't had access to either T2 or M3 like that very often. Add that to the fact that Favre had frozen the local guys out and made the national guys his go to media outlet, their information was generally pro Packer.

That is unlike the end of this season, where both coach and GM retreated after firing several coaches. You go 6-10 and then fire the defensive staff, it looks like a clusterfudge, and in failing to say word one, that was the coverage they got (headline on McGinn story: Firings Make McCarthy Look Small).

I don't think they are seeding anything or grinding an axe. Their confusion on Canty and Igor could also be explained, as Waldo hypothesized, by a leak planted to throw people off their trail.

Well, PB, we may not agree, but I do enjoy the fact that you understand the way the media works - that it creates narratives to sell its product, and that those narratives are subject to the push-pull of differing sides. And so it is true also that the Packer organization has its own narrative to get out into the market, I'll agree with that. And I'll agree that MM did not make himself very accessible, though that is understandable.

I do disagree with you though that the JSO or GBPG (though I'm harsher about the JSO) has been creating a pro-Packer narrative. My sense of their pro-Packer sentiment is that it was in part a result of Favre shutting them out - thus they reacted against Favre, which had the added benefit of adding fuel to the fire. Outside of that situation last summer, I think the JSO has mostly set up TT to look bad, no matter what. That narrative sells more papers than "let's support TT and MM." Look at today's article about Cole and Canty going elsewhere. After acknowledging in the article that the Pack is not interested in breaking the bank on Canty and is interested in Cole but only at a certain price, the paper suggests that not getting Canty or Cole will mean the Packers have been "shut out."

If TT chooses not to break the bank for Canty or to overpay for a journeyman like Cole, is that being "shut out"?

You need to look no further for the JSO's anti-TT bias than the hit piece Cliff Christl wrote regarding Koren Robinson. IT was absolute garbage and he got majorly blasted for it. He hid for four days before he responded to the criticism and he acted like a baby. And Im not sure what JSO you guys were reading last summer but it was very anti-TT. Its the big reason that M3 shuts them out now. And since JSO is being shut out, they are upping the anti-TT rhetoric.

[Waldo]

One thing both papers managed to do that has changed the situation is that AR hardly talks to them at all, Brett would at least give them stuff. AR is a national media guy and regularly found in the national media (much more than his young QB peers), but hardly give the locals the time of day.

I guess all those articles pointing the crooked finger at TT about Aaron being a bust (or useless draft pick) have caught up with them.

MM is much more open and loves to jabber when he's on Sirius, which is a weekly thing during the season. Again, he gives the locals next to nothing.

[KYPack]

If TT chooses not to break the bank for Canty or to overpay for a journeyman like Cole, is that being "shut out"? You need to look no further for the JSO's anti-TT bias than the hit piece Cliff Christl wrote regarding Koren Robinson. IT was absolute garbage and he got majorly blasted for it. He hid for four days before he responded to the criticism and he acted like a baby. And Im not sure what JSO you guys were reading last summer but it was very anti-TT. Its the big reason that M3 shuts them out now. And since JSO is being shut out, they are upping the anti-TT rhetoric.

I missed that one.

Was Cliffy retired at that point or what?

Cliff was a baby. I've hated him since I figured out he is basically the guy who kept Jerry Kramer out of the HOF. The veterans committee (basically now nuetered) was all set to put Jerry in several years ago, Cliff helped scotch the whole thing. I think he was and is a hack. I love Cleft Crusty, but hate old Cliffy.

There is another aspect to this whole JSO GBPG angle. Sherman and Holmgran/Wolf basically nutured a few "house writers" on both staffs. The TT/MM regime did away with this. Both papers rebelled (slightly) and get their shots in when they can.

Silverstein for one, hates that he has to work for his supper now actually writes a story now and then. Their were other examples of this, the Havel/Favre connection for instance. The new guys think the writers should know the game and their craft to write stories. Some of these writers don't like this and zing 'em back when they get a chance.

[PlantPage55]

One thing both papers managed to do that has changed the situation is that AR hardly talks to them at all, Brett would at least give them stuff. AR is a national media guy and regularly found in the national media (much more than his young QB peers), but hardly give the locals the time of day.

I guess all those articles pointing the crooked finger at TT about Aaron being a bust (or useless draft pick) have caught up with them.

MM is much more open and loves to jabber when he's on Sirius, which is a weekly thing during the season. Again, he gives the locals next to nothing.

And the papers respond, in full, with overly negative undertones to all of their stories. It's a joke.

[Fritz]

So why do I continue to read the JSO?

It's the same thrill I get when I watch that reality show "My Super Sweet Sixteen." It's about spoiled rich little 15 years old whining and bitching their way to Rolls Royces ("But Daddy, I said I wanted a black one - take this one back!") and 300-guest parties with entertainment from the highest echelons of hip-hop-dom. My thrill is in getting pissed off and righteously denouncing these little fake biatches in action.

[Waldo]

In line to be left out in the cold

Todays headlines.

Might as well replace with:

"TT's running the team in the ground with his inability to pull the trigger"

Means the same thing.

And you wonder why regular JSO readers want to burn TT at the stake. Many don't think about the situation more any more than the translation of the headline.

[Lurker64]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40490592.html


apparently GB not willing to meet numbers for Canty as of yet

I think TT is being smart here. He's letting Seattle set the price. What Canty's people put forward was a "this is what we hope to get" contract, and he's almost certainly not going to get it from anyone.. When he goes to Seattle, he'll probably get offered a deal less than what he's hoping for, and even if it's close, unless he's being offered exactly what he wants, he'll probably give other teams interested in him (including Green Bay) the opportunity to match or exceed what has already been offered.

[Waldo]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40490592.html


apparently GB not willing to meet numbers for Canty as of yet

I think TT is being smart here. He's letting Seattle set the price. What Canty's people put forward was a "this is what we hope to get" contract, and he's almost certainly not going to get it from anyone.. When he goes to Seattle, he'll probably get offered a deal less than what he's hoping for, and even if it's close, unless he's being offered exactly what he wants, he'll probably give other teams interested in him (including Green Bay) the opportunity to match or exceed what has already been offered.

The fact that we were offered a chance to jump ahead indicates that Seattle's contract offer is not good enough and/or he really doesn't want to play for them.

Watch the Housh situation closely, he picks Seattle and they're gonne be in a tough spot trying to sign two of the more marquee FA's. Housh isn't gonna come cheap.

[mission]

We definitely want him to go to Seattle first... like Lurk said, their offer isn't going to blow his doors off and that will set the price for him. If he comes to us first, then it's reverse and he's still going to want to see what Seattle has to say.

The Giants don't want to pay more than 5-6 mil for him according to the following blog post. It also notes that Green Bay has been very aggressive in their pursuit and sheds some light on the DL situation in NY where there isn't exactly a clear fit for Canty.

As KGB said, "pay dis man heeee's moneeey" ... 8 mil I'm fine with / 18-20 guaranteed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/