Vonnie Holliday

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You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

[Joemailman]

Packer Update was on this story a couple of weeks ago. http://www.packerupdate.com/ This would be a good move if there is room on the roster. How many defensive linemen are the Packers going to keep?

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Packer Update was on this story a couple of weeks ago. http://www.packerupdate.com/ This would be a good move if there is room on the roster. How many defensive linemen are the Packers going to keep?

They need to keep 8. Two of the guys we have are walking injuries. We need depth badly. Our "rock" moved to OLB.

[vince]

If Vonnie still has enough left in the tank to get on the Packers' list, I'd say he'd be at the bottom of it. He could still be serviceable, but it's hard to say what he's got left in the tank. He'll be 34 this season.

11 years grinding out in this league. Lotta miles on those tires.

[Patler]

You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

It's too bad, too, because Holiday could have spent his career as a Packer. Sherman made two mistakes (easy to say in hindsight).

1. He signed Joe Johnson in 2002.
2. He chose resigning Cletidus Hunt to a big contract in 2003 instead of Holiday. He acknowledged at the time they could likely afford only one, and he chose the bigger player.

Those two decisions resulted in not being able to sign Holiday. Had he not done just one of those things, he could have kept Holiday.

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V.Holiday would be a great depth addition and his body size is perfect for that DE spot in our defense. I'm never for bringing in ex pack (hey let's bring Ahman back for a try!!) but this one would make sense in addition to another guy on the line. We need some bodies and he's vet enough to help "man up" our young guys.

[Waldo]

You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

It's too bad, too, because Holiday could have spent his career as a Packer. Sherman made two mistakes (easy to say in hindsight).

1. He signed Joe Johnson in 2002.
2. He chose resigning Cletidus Hunt to a big contract in 2003 instead of Holiday. He acknowledged at the time they could likely afford only one, and he chose the bigger player.

Those two decisions resulted in not being able to sign Holiday. Had he not done just one of those things, he could have kept Holiday.

Can't forget one of the highest paid players in the NFL (I believe he was top dog at that time) and the effect that has on available cap space. If they chose to trade the other QB to Seattle, we probably would have been able to keep Vonnie.

[Patler]

You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

It's too bad, too, because Holiday could have spent his career as a Packer. Sherman made two mistakes (easy to say in hindsight).

1. He signed Joe Johnson in 2002.
2. He chose resigning Cletidus Hunt to a big contract in 2003 instead of Holiday. He acknowledged at the time they could likely afford only one, and he chose the bigger player.

Those two decisions resulted in not being able to sign Holiday. Had he not done just one of those things, he could have kept Holiday.

Can't forget one of the highest paid players in the NFL (I believe he was top dog at that time) and the effect that has on available cap space. If they chose to trade the other QB to Seattle, we probably would have been able to keep Vonnie.

Sure, Favre affected the cap significantly for many years, any top QB does. Hasselbeck has been fairly expensive to the Seahawks too. Besides, he was long gone before the Johnson/Hunt/Holliday decision arose. With a cheaper QB maybe you could have kept all three, but that was not my point.

My point was that with Johnson and Hunt you are looking at the same position group, as Holiday has bounced between DE and DT. The Packers were able to afford two of the three, and they threw away the only one that ended up worth anything and paid for two dogs. It's unfortunate.

[Waldo]

You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

It's too bad, too, because Holiday could have spent his career as a Packer. Sherman made two mistakes (easy to say in hindsight).

1. He signed Joe Johnson in 2002.
2. He chose resigning Cletidus Hunt to a big contract in 2003 instead of Holiday. He acknowledged at the time they could likely afford only one, and he chose the bigger player.

Those two decisions resulted in not being able to sign Holiday. Had he not done just one of those things, he could have kept Holiday.

Can't forget one of the highest paid players in the NFL (I believe he was top dog at that time) and the effect that has on available cap space. If they chose to trade the other QB to Seattle, we probably would have been able to keep Vonnie.

Sure, Favre affected the cap significantly for many years, any top QB does. Hasselbeck has been fairly expensive to the Seahawks too. Besides, he was long gone before the Johnson/Hunt/Holliday decision arose. With a cheaper QB maybe you could have kept all three, but that was not my point.

My point was that with Johnson and Hunt you are looking at the same position group, as Holiday has bounced between DE and DT. The Packers were able to afford two of the three, and they threw away the only one that ended up worth anything and paid for two dogs. It's unfortunate.

I know your point. Just had to get a jab in there. I've thought we traded the wrong one since the day the deal went down.

[Fritz]

You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

It's too bad, too, because Holiday could have spent his career as a Packer. Sherman made two mistakes (easy to say in hindsight).

1. He signed Joe Johnson in 2002.
2. He chose resigning Cletidus Hunt to a big contract in 2003 instead of Holiday. He acknowledged at the time they could likely afford only one, and he chose the bigger player.

Those two decisions resulted in not being able to sign Holiday. Had he not done just one of those things, he could have kept Holiday.

Can't forget one of the highest paid players in the NFL (I believe he was top dog at that time) and the effect that has on available cap space. If they chose to trade the other QB to Seattle, we probably would have been able to keep Vonnie.

Sure, Favre affected the cap significantly for many years, any top QB does. Hasselbeck has been fairly expensive to the Seahawks too. Besides, he was long gone before the Johnson/Hunt/Holliday decision arose. With a cheaper QB maybe you could have kept all three, but that was not my point.

My point was that with Johnson and Hunt you are looking at the same position group, as Holiday has bounced between DE and DT. The Packers were able to afford two of the three, and they threw away the only one that ended up worth anything and paid for two dogs. It's unfortunate.

I know your point. Just had to get a jab in there. I've thought we traded the wrong one since the day the deal went down.

Uh, Waldo? Are you referring to the quarterback trade? If so, y'know that's heresy, right?

Joe Johnson (changing subjects) was, to my mind, the exact kind of signing that so many fans clamor for - a big name (and he was, at that time) who was hurt and had a bad year, getting a little long in the tooth. But Shermy took a shot, and it didn't pan out.

And Cletidus Hunt was a character risk. I know he said it was an injury problem, but truth be told he was a once-in-awhile guy.

[Waldo]

You really couldn't ask for a better mentor to JustinHarrell and Johnny Jolly than Vonnie Holliday.

As a former Packer, he knows the rich history of GB.

As a long-time NFL vet, he knows what sort of commitment it takes to sustain long-term success in the league.

He has a wealth of experience in the position, and as an older veteran, he would be ideal to teach the youngens some tricks of the trade.

It's too bad, too, because Holiday could have spent his career as a Packer. Sherman made two mistakes (easy to say in hindsight).

1. He signed Joe Johnson in 2002.
2. He chose resigning Cletidus Hunt to a big contract in 2003 instead of Holiday. He acknowledged at the time they could likely afford only one, and he chose the bigger player.

Those two decisions resulted in not being able to sign Holiday. Had he not done just one of those things, he could have kept Holiday.

Can't forget one of the highest paid players in the NFL (I believe he was top dog at that time) and the effect that has on available cap space. If they chose to trade the other QB to Seattle, we probably would have been able to keep Vonnie.

Sure, Favre affected the cap significantly for many years, any top QB does. Hasselbeck has been fairly expensive to the Seahawks too. Besides, he was long gone before the Johnson/Hunt/Holliday decision arose. With a cheaper QB maybe you could have kept all three, but that was not my point.

My point was that with Johnson and Hunt you are looking at the same position group, as Holiday has bounced between DE and DT. The Packers were able to afford two of the three, and they threw away the only one that ended up worth anything and paid for two dogs. It's unfortunate.

I know your point. Just had to get a jab in there. I've thought we traded the wrong one since the day the deal went down.

Uh, Waldo? Are you referring to the quarterback trade? If so, y'know that's heresy, right?

Joe Johnson (changing subjects) was, to my mind, the exact kind of signing that so many fans clamor for - a big name (and he was, at that time) who was hurt and had a bad year, getting a little long in the tooth. But Shermy took a shot, and it didn't pan out.

And Cletidus Hunt was a character risk. I know he said it was an injury problem, but truth be told he was a once-in-awhile guy.

17 years of torture my man. Too bad the good one got hurt.

Needless to say I haven't gotten along with most Packer fans for a very long time. As an outsider to the adoration, it was quite amusing (yet pitiful) to witness.

[Patler]

I know your point. Just had to get a jab in there. I've thought we traded the wrong one since the day the deal went down.

I know what you mean, from a salary cap perspective Favre was a tough swallow. He was using 13-14% of the cap for years. It can be difficult to assemble a winning team around a player that expensive unless you really hit on some draft choices or other cheap players. Hasselbeck might have been a better "value" allowing you to do other things while being plenty good enough himself.

That trade wouldn't have bothered me, depending on what they did with the results of it. I never get too attached to any player.

[Joemailman]

If Vonnie still has enough left in the tank to get on the Packers' list, I'd say he'd be at the bottom of it. He could still be serviceable, but it's hard to say what he's got left in the tank. He'll be 34 this season.

11 years grinding out in this league. Lotta miles on those tires.

He had enough left in the tank last year for 46 tackles and 3.5 sacks. Some guys know how to take care of themselves and manage to extend their careers.

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I know your point. Just had to get a jab in there. I've thought we traded the wrong one since the day the deal went down.

I know what you mean, from a salary cap perspective Favre was a tough swallow. He was using 13-14% of the cap for years. It can be difficult to assemble a winning team around a player that expensive unless you really hit on some draft choices or other cheap players. Hasselbeck might have been a better "value" allowing you to do other things while being plenty good enough himself.

That trade wouldn't have bothered me, depending on what they did with the results of it. I never get too attached to any player.

Could you imagine the backlash on THAT one?! Wow, lol ... last off season on the forum would have been a light one compared. Not that I disagree -- most of you guys know where I stand -- but that could have never happened for lots of the wrong reasons (which you also know).

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The Packers certainly have Holliday's cell number. A league source at the Senior Bowl said two members of the organization called Holliday to ask about Capers before he was hired. Holliday, who played under Capers in ’06 and ’07, gave the Packers his highest recommendation: Holliday told them Capers is the coach he respected the most during his 11-year career.

Capers has a great deal of respect for Holliday, who is a tremendous locker room leader and is durable (four missed games the past four seasons -- all in '07).

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