Vonnie Holliday

[ThunderDan]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

What is your deal? You know what it's going to take to sign a guy by bringing him in for a visit. We're not trying to cure cancer here. We can't sign a guy if he's not even scheduled for a visit. I'm just confused as to why Thompson refused to open any dialogue with anyone.

How do you know that he hasn't? Just because TT doesn't annouce to the world who he is interested in and who he actively wants to sign doesn't mean he's doing nothing. I actually like that TT keeps his mouth shut. Nothing drives the price up faster and brings more competition than saying we are targeting a player and need him on our team.

[imscott72]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

What is your deal? You know what it's going to take to sign a guy by bringing him in for a visit. We're not trying to cure cancer here. We can't sign a guy if he's not even scheduled for a visit. I'm just confused as to why Thompson refused to open any dialogue with anyone.

How do you know that he hasn't? Just because TT doesn't annouce to the world who he is interested in and who he actively wants to sign doesn't mean he's doing nothing. I actually like that TT keeps his mouth shut. Nothing drives the price up faster and brings more competition than saying we are targeting a player and need him on our team.

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

[Lurker64]

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

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Do we? In the past we've had players come and go from Green Bay without that being widely reported through the usual channels until after they left. I would imagine that "Thompson has been on the phone with [player x] and they have scheduled a visit" wouldn't be anything the media knew about unless Thompson told them (unlikely) or the player's agent told them. If we're going after a player whose agent isn't fond of the media, we may never hear about it since Thompson never says anything he doesn't have to.

[3irty1]

Has anyone anywhere scheduled a visit with Holliday yet? I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers didn't chime in after he was already going somewhere to visit kind of like they did with Canty. Only hopefully Holliday won't be in such a hurry that he won't come visit.

[sheepshead]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

What is your deal? You know what it's going to take to sign a guy by bringing him in for a visit. We're not trying to cure cancer here. We can't sign a guy if he's not even scheduled for a visit. I'm just confused as to why Thompson refused to open any dialogue with anyone.

How do you know that he hasn't? Just because TT doesn't annouce to the world who he is interested in and who he actively wants to sign doesn't mean he's doing nothing. I actually like that TT keeps his mouth shut. Nothing drives the price up faster and brings more competition than saying we are targeting a player and need him on our team.

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

These posts are full of assumptions, thats all Im saying. You and I dont know, and will never know, all the contacts our GM makes either by telephone, e-mail or in person.

[ThunderDan]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

What is your deal? You know what it's going to take to sign a guy by bringing him in for a visit. We're not trying to cure cancer here. We can't sign a guy if he's not even scheduled for a visit. I'm just confused as to why Thompson refused to open any dialogue with anyone.

How do you know that he hasn't? Just because TT doesn't annouce to the world who he is interested in and who he actively wants to sign doesn't mean he's doing nothing. I actually like that TT keeps his mouth shut. Nothing drives the price up faster and brings more competition than saying we are targeting a player and need him on our team.

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

The lack of visits shows talks aren't going anywhere. We have no idea on lack of dialogue.

I can see the following scenario

TT: We are interested in your player.
Agent: What are you thinking?
TT: Well he's 33 so 2 years 5 million.
Agent: We want 3 years 8.5 million including a $3M signing bonus.
TT: I appreciate your time.

No visit scheduled yet TT is being active.

[imscott72]

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

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Do we? In the past we've had players come and go from Green Bay without that being widely reported through the usual channels until after they left. I would imagine that "Thompson has been on the phone with [player x] and they have scheduled a visit" wouldn't be anything the media knew about unless Thompson told them (unlikely) or the player's agent told them. If we're going after a player whose agent isn't fond of the media, we may never hear about it since Thompson never says anything he doesn't have to.

I'm not an expert on agents, but if I was one I'd want the media to know my client was going to Green Bay for a visit for obvious reasons. I would want other interested teams to step up their efforts to get my client if they really wanted him. Not saying all agents do this, but I'm betting a majority do.

[ThunderDan]

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

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Do we? In the past we've had players come and go from Green Bay without that being widely reported through the usual channels until after they left. I would imagine that "Thompson has been on the phone with [player x] and they have scheduled a visit" wouldn't be anything the media knew about unless Thompson told them (unlikely) or the player's agent told them. If we're going after a player whose agent isn't fond of the media, we may never hear about it since Thompson never says anything he doesn't have to.

I'm not an expert on agents, but if I was one I'd want the media to know my client was going to Green Bay for a visit for obvious reasons. I would want other interested teams to step up their efforts to get my client if they really wanted him. Not saying all agents do this, but I'm betting a majority do.

Look at how that has worked for Rosenpenis's clients the last few years.

O wait, TO got traded to Dallas. JWalk got big Al to pay him huge money to underperform and Ocho Cinco is still in Cincinnatti.

[sheepshead]

We know when visits are scheduled. He's not going to sign someone without meeting him in person first, which he shouldn't. The lack of dialogue and visits are the clues he is or is not interesting in a particular player.

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Do we? In the past we've had players come and go from Green Bay without that being widely reported through the usual channels until after they left. I would imagine that "Thompson has been on the phone with [player x] and they have scheduled a visit" wouldn't be anything the media knew about unless Thompson told them (unlikely) or the player's agent told them. If we're going after a player whose agent isn't fond of the media, we may never hear about it since Thompson never says anything he doesn't have to.

I'm not an expert on agents, but if I was one I'd want the media to know my client was going to Green Bay for a visit for obvious reasons. I would want other interested teams to step up their efforts to get my client if they really wanted him. Not saying all agents do this, but I'm betting a majority do.

They do this. They just dont do it through the media.

It's one reason players hire agents. If the media was all they needed, they wouldnt hire these guys.

[Lurker64]

I'm not an expert on agents, but if I was one I'd want the media to know my client was going to Green Bay for a visit for obvious reasons. I would want other interested teams to step up their efforts to get my client if they really wanted him. Not saying all agents do this, but I'm betting a majority do.

Well, the issue is that if we're talking about a FA who's not a big guy, the media really doesn't care where he's flying to. ESPN isn't going to report it, and most of the fans of the local team just won't have heard of him. So if an agent makes a phone call to a media outlet for someone who's not a big name, he may not get out of it.

The agent can essentially accomplish the same thing by calling the other teams that have contacted him about his client and saying "We're going to Green Bay on Thursday, do you guys want to schedule a visit?" because that is probably more effective at explaining to teams "there's interest in my client, you guys had better show more interest if you want to land him." When someone like ESPN will actually report "player X scheduled visit in Green Bay" because player x is a sufficiently big name, the agent can accomplish this with one phone call, otherwise he has to make several. Telling the local media doesn't accomplish a lot, since this is a busy time of year, I don't think teams can afford to have a staff member dedicated to reading all the sports blogs for all the local papers for every other NFL team to see if there are visits being scheduled. It's easier just to pay someone to answer the phone/make phone calls.

[sheepshead]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

I know you weren't addressing me with your comment, but I will jump in here anyway! I think we can make a good guess what it would take to sign him from information about what he has been paid. As I wrote just before your last message, all from available data and not guess work:

He received a little over $3 Million in "new" money in 2008, but was due a $1.5 Million roster bonus now that Miami didn't want to pay. The article said he would have cost $5M against the cap in 2009. About 1.7M was from earlier bonuses, 1.5M from the new roster bonus, which would leave a 2009 salary of about $1.8 to account for the $5M cap figure.

I think he wouldn't be too expensive. $3.3 would make up for what he would have gotten in Miami. Holliday has never had a real big contract. He has been paid about $25M in the last 9 seasons.

This would make him the 11th highest paid player on the team of 55 guys. I dont think that qualifies as "cheap".

[Patler]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

I know you weren't addressing me with your comment, but I will jump in here anyway! I think we can make a good guess what it would take to sign him from information about what he has been paid. As I wrote just before your last message, all from available data and not guess work:

He received a little over $3 Million in "new" money in 2008, but was due a $1.5 Million roster bonus now that Miami didn't want to pay. The article said he would have cost $5M against the cap in 2009. About 1.7M was from earlier bonuses, 1.5M from the new roster bonus, which would leave a 2009 salary of about $1.8 to account for the $5M cap figure.

I think he wouldn't be too expensive. $3.3 would make up for what he would have gotten in Miami. Holliday has never had a real big contract. He has been paid about $25M in the last 9 seasons.

This would make him the 11th highest paid player on the team of 55 guys. I dont think that qualifies as "cheap".

I don't believe I called him "cheap". On the other hand, The "average" pay will now be in excess of $2M/player. I have no problem paying a starting DE $3M for this year, maybe next too.

$3.3 would put him at #12, just below Pickett and ahead of the cap hits for Poppinga, Lee, Chiller and Wells (in order going down). Is that so out of place? Every player of significance below Wells is working on their rookie contract, and obviously have a much lower cap hit.

[Fritz]

Patler, I would imagine you can get Holliday's pay down to 2 to 2.5 per year if you let him twist in the wind a little. Not a big market for him, not as of yet. If you bring him in in, say, late March, and remind his agent how old Vonnie is, you can get him even cheaper.

[sheepshead]

The attraction? He's a cheap 3-4 DE with experience in the system. We have 3 injury prone DEs on our roster and thats it!

Are you kidding me? Attraction? He's a solid addition to this team right now.

Yeah. How on earth do you know what it's going to take to sign this guy? You pull more you-know-what out of your you-know-what then anyone i've ever seen.

I know you weren't addressing me with your comment, but I will jump in here anyway! I think we can make a good guess what it would take to sign him from information about what he has been paid. As I wrote just before your last message, all from available data and not guess work:

He received a little over $3 Million in "new" money in 2008, but was due a $1.5 Million roster bonus now that Miami didn't want to pay. The article said he would have cost $5M against the cap in 2009. About 1.7M was from earlier bonuses, 1.5M from the new roster bonus, which would leave a 2009 salary of about $1.8 to account for the $5M cap figure.

I think he wouldn't be too expensive. $3.3 would make up for what he would have gotten in Miami. Holliday has never had a real big contract. He has been paid about $25M in the last 9 seasons.

This would make him the 11th highest paid player on the team of 55 guys. I dont think that qualifies as "cheap".

I don't believe I called him "cheap". On the other hand, The "average" pay will now be in excess of $2M/player. I have no problem paying a starting DE $3M for this year, maybe next too.

$3.3 would put him at #12, just below Pickett and ahead of the cap hits for Poppinga, Lee, Chiller and Wells (in order going down). Is that so out of place? Every player of significance below Wells is working on their rookie contract, and obviously have a much lower cap hit.

No, you were defending the guy that said he would be cheap. Hair splitting is infuriating.

[texaspackerbacker]

I intended to post that in any such discussion, how much money is the major determining question. I see that's already being bounced around.

Considering how little Holliday likely has left in the tank, $3.3 million seems like way too much to me. It's just possible, though, that nobody would pay him even half of that. So if you get down to about a million or $1.5 million, then he'd be worth considering.