Trade Down Scenarios

[wist43]

Josh Freeman...

He fills all of TT's requirements... nobody is expecting it, it's not a need pick, and he won't help at all this year.

[Fritz]

Not unless he traded Brohm or Flynn first. He's not going to draft a guy like that early on unless there's a roster spot, and TT is not going to let a QB like even Flynn get away for nothing. Last year, Jordy Nelson did not take the roster place of a receiver who was young and up-and-coming.

So I don't think so.

Maybe that Maybin guy? Or Tyson Jackson? Or Moreno, the running back?

[DonHutson]

The thing about the Quinn deal is that Cleveland needed to trade up above 23 in order to get Quinn, since Kansas City was on record that they would take Quinn if he was there. Green Bay was picking at 16, so if Cleveland offered less for the pick than Green Bay wanted, they had teams 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, and 22 to negotiate with. The word from the draft was that Cleveland was lowballing everybody, until they got desperate at around teams 21 and 22 which was the point of no return for them. They eventually ended up giving up a lot to the last possible team they could trade up for in order to get Quinn.

As I understand it, Cleveland offered next year's first (turned out to be #22), and a swap of 2nd and 3rd round picks to Green Bay, Jacksonville, Tennessee, and New York all of which turned down the offer since it was a bad deal (no additional picks this year). Dallas was sitting in the "last chance" seat ,so they named their price (which was Cleveland's second and next year's first).

This year, Green Bay is likely to be sitting in the "last chance" seat, since San Francisco will probably take a QB if one is available. So the odds of us getting a favorable deal are better. After all, if you're in a position where a team might want to trade up to take a QB, it's best to be picking one spot before another team that needs a QB, since other needy teams will want to jump that team.

Excellent explanation of that scenario. Remember where you posted it so we can find it again the next time somebody bitches about Ted not making that trade.

Lots of people seem to be under the mistaken impression that we took Harrell instead of trading for an extra first rounder. As you say, all we really would've done is postponed our #1 for a year while losing 6 spots in the process.

[cpk1994]

He does surprise, doesn't he? The only time his first pick didn't surprise me was the Hawk pick. I was even a little surprised and disappointed in the Rodgers pick. Shows you how much I know.

I wasn't suprised or disappointd. Once Rodgers fell that far it was a slam dunk to me. It was also the first time I was excited about a first round pick in a long long time. I also remember Cliff Christl subtly ripping on that pick(what else was new, just more evidence that ol Cliffy has a personal problem of some kind with TT).

[DonHutson]

Maybe that Maybin guy? Or Tyson Jackson? Or Moreno, the running back?

Assuming Raji, Curry, J. Smith, Orakpo, and Monroe are gone (and at this point it looks likely that will be the case, but there's lots of time yet) I think you nailed the two most likely candidates in Maybin or Jackson.

Jackson might qualify as a Ted sleeper pick. He didn't get a lot of attention early because he was thought of as more of a 2nd round guy. Now you see his name moving higher, but not so quickly that he's generating a lot of attention now.

Both seem fairly safe character-wise, and are mentioned as having good leadership skills - which seems to have been Ted's M.O. for most of his top picks.

I'd prefer Maybin, mostly because he plays more of an impact position and he probably has more upside (but also more risk) due to his relative inexperience.

[Bretsky]

will be interesting if Crabtree is there and TT decides to go BPA or for need

[Joemailman]

You seem to be assuming that Crabtree would be BPA. I would argue that every team drafting in front of the Packers needs a WR worse than the Packers do. Therefore, if he's there at #9, it might mean the league's GM's don't regard him as high as most of the mock drafts do.

[Rastak]

You seem to be assuming that Crabtree would be BPA. I would argue that every team drafting in front of the Packers needs a WR worse than the Packers do. Therefore, if he's there at #9, it might mean the league's GM's don't regard him as high as most of the mock drafts do.

I have to admit, NFL radio on XM is pretty cool. They talk technical football all the time and he's considered a special player by most of the people on there. He's for sure a top flight prospect.

[Partial]

One thing that is intriguing to me is that he makes all these spectacular plays without great speed or insane size. Will that translate to the pros? I think it will.

[The Shadow]

Can't at all see us going for yet another receiver when we are already stocked.
Defense must be addressed.

[wist43]

Can't at all see us going for yet another receiver when we are already stocked.
Defense must be addressed.

Hasn't stopped TT before... team building be damned.

How many times has he said he will take the player he feels will have the best career... he won't even consider the short term, or needs.

That said, from what little I've seen of Crabtree... he looks like a hell of a player, and if TT took him, I probably wouldn't squawk a whole hell of a lot... Driver is on the down side, Nelson and Jones have ceilings.

Jennings, Crabtree, and Nelson as your 1,2, 3 would be a decent WR corp... we're not SB contenders anyway, so Crabtree wouldn't bother me.

[wist43]

One thing that is intriguing to me is that he makes all these spectacular plays without great speed or insane size. Will that translate to the pros? I think it will.

Jennings didn't have eye popping measurables either... but it took all of 5 minutes of watching him at the post draft mini-camp for me to conclude that the guy was a player.

Very good short area burst... and deceptive long speed. Crabtree looks similar.

[TigerFang]

One thing that is intriguing to me is that he makes all these spectacular plays without great speed or insane size. Will that translate to the pros? I think it will.

Jennings didn't have eye popping measurables either... but it took all of 5 minutes of watching him at the post draft mini-camp for me to conclude that the guy was a player.

Very good short area burst... and deceptive long speed. Crabtree looks similar.

Lots of guys have looked similar to sucessful NFL players and it never translated. I hope Ted has enough sense to stay away from a WR that high. I think he does.

[KYPack]

That's quite true, Fang.

Welcome aboard and all that.

[bbbffl66]

I would LOVE Crabby at #9. With Rodgers throwing to that receiving core, we would have an offense that might set records. The problem is the defense might set records in a bad way!