More Banjo - Packers at Patriots

[run pMc]

Rewatched the game. Gonzalez got beat a couple times, but his safeties gave him no help.
NE was supposed to have a good run D, didn't think GB would top 100 yards. I think the game got out of hand fast on NE and with all their injuries it was too much to catch up.
The OL pass pro wasn't great but Love played like an MVP candidate in spite of it. He is carrying that offense - without him (and Micah on D) this is a 4 win team at best. The refs mostly let them play and it made for what looked like a cleaner game (few penalties, won the turnover battle easily, etc.) and their best game of the year. I sure hope they can continue. Love continues to chuck the ball deep when blitzed and he's getting the ball out very fast (I think he's averaging about 2.3s, which is basically quick-game passing) but I think the OL causes that. Imagine if he had 4+ seconds to read the field. OL matters. Trench play matters. Your best players consistently making plays matters most.

Gannon was pressuring like crazy. They have to for the pressure to get home though. Yes, LVN has more sacks than Maxx Crosby and DDS and BCoxJr. have been good role players. Micah should supercharge the group. Karl Brooks has been better than Wyatt this year. I sure hope the LBs get healthy fast, Neimann tries hard but he looks small and slow to react. GB's safeties are really really good.

I'm encouraged by Cisse also - he's getting better each game. Jordan Morgan has improved since late September too.

You can try to crap on Gute if you want, but he's brought in a lot of good players in the recent drafts.

[Joemailman]

[Fritz]

So Stenovich benched Love too?? J/K ....sort of.

After seeing the bottom 5 I hate Steno more than ever (or someone). Banks played for shit and Zeitler got a few late snaps. Enough on that subject. But Williams to my knowledge is playing the first game snaps at center of his life. Admire the effort, but is he really better than Burton right now?? I can't even buy that its about making the calls as Williams had this camp to learn them same as Burton, but Burton played the position in college. Its just tough for me to parse this being the best use of talent. Maybe I'm the idiot and they really know what they are doing, but ffs it sure doesn't look like it.

I've been thinking about this, too. Yes, Burton was bad when he played guard early on this season. Yet he DID train as a center in college, and apparently looked promising in camp. Maybe the game is just too fast for him right now. But I don't know. It sure doesn't look like Williams is seeing the game slow down. He's working so hard on getting the calls right that he often whiffs on his blocks or doesn't seem to know who he's supposed to block.

The offensive line decisions are bizarro.

[pbmax]

Rewatched the game. Gonzalez got beat a couple times, but his safeties gave him no help.
NE was supposed to have a good run D, didn't think GB would top 100 yards. I think the game got out of hand fast on NE and with all their injuries it was too much to catch up.
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My current delusional insider thought is that LaFleur knows exactly what Vrabel wants to run on Defense and game planned the crap out of it. And then Love said "This should work deep too".

Remember when M3 and Rodgers would see the 49ers in man outside and a single safety deep and just keep throwing to Jordy and Jones on the deep sideline even when it wasn't working? This was the better game plan version of that.

Or maybe the 49ers were in a two deep shell and Rodgers was just convinced he could fit it in to the S-CB outside gap (to be fair, that worked a lot)? Well whatever that was, this was better. But no guarantee it remains an option like that each week.

[texaspackerbacker]

I've been thinking about this, too. Yes, Burton was bad when he played guard early on this season. Yet he DID train as a center in college, and apparently looked promising in camp. Maybe the game is just too fast for him right now. But I don't know. It sure doesn't look like Williams is seeing the game slow down. He's working so hard on getting the calls right that he often whiffs on his blocks or doesn't seem to know who he's supposed to block.

The offensive line decisions are bizarro.

Yet we're playing great and winning anyway - a testament to the relative lack of importance of O Line play and the relative huge importance of the play of the skill players and to an only slightly lesser extent the defense.

[Joemailman]

I watched JT O'Sullivan's video on Jordan Love. Love was great, but I came away even more impressed by the design of some of the plays they were running. A masterclass by MLF.

[pbmax]

Yet we're playing great and winning anyway - a testament to the relative lack of importance of O Line play and the relative huge importance of the play of the skill players and to an only slightly lesser extent the defense.

I guess a Super Bowl 16 years ago is enough for some. I'd prefer a better team and the best way to get better is the get the O line straightened out.

If the bad O line gets Love hurt, maybe they get a top 10 pick to get another O lineman.

They beat the NE Patriots, the most overrated team in the last year, rivaled only by Seattle and maybe Denver.

[bobblehead]

My current delusional insider thought is that LaFleur knows exactly what Vrabel wants to run on Defense and game planned the crap out of it. And then Love said "This should work deep too".

Remember when M3 and Rodgers would see the 49ers in man outside and a single safety deep and just keep throwing to Jordy and Jones on the deep sideline even when it wasn't working? This was the better game plan version of that.

Or maybe the 49ers were in a two deep shell and Rodgers was just convinced he could fit it in to the S-CB outside gap (to be fair, that worked a lot)? Well whatever that was, this was better. But no guarantee it remains an option like that each week.

Eventually we need to run effectively or teams are going to pin the ears back and Jordan is going to end up hurt.

[Joemailman]

The Packers pass blocking was a disaster the first 4 weeks and the Packers were lucky to be 2-2. As the pass blocking has improved, the Packers have gone 4-1, and have gone from averaging 18 points per game to 29. Pass blocking going from terrible to respectable has been a key to the Packers being regarded as a contender again.

[Sparkey]

My current delusional insider thought is that LaFleur knows exactly what Vrabel wants to run on Defense and game planned the crap out of it. And then Love said "This should work deep too".

Remember when M3 and Rodgers would see the 49ers in man outside and a single safety deep and just keep throwing to Jordy and Jones on the deep sideline even when it wasn't working? This was the better game plan version of that.

Or maybe the 49ers were in a two deep shell and Rodgers was just convinced he could fit it in to the S-CB outside gap (to be fair, that worked a lot)? Well whatever that was, this was better. But no guarantee it remains an option like that each week.

Theoretically, if safeties play deeper to help on Watson and Golden, then the middle should open up more for Kraft. It would be a nice problem to have for GB.

[SudsMcBucky]

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If the bad O line gets Love hurt, maybe they get a top 10 pick to get another O lineman.

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Except they don't have a first rounder this year.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think they're gonna surprise some people and punch Minnesota in the mouth. I also think they will run for 100 yards. They will start Kaleb Johnson, and then Laken, Williamson, and the old guy from Waukesha

[pbmax]

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If the bad O line gets Love hurt, maybe they get a top 10 pick to get another O lineman.

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Except they don't have a first rounder this year.

Ooooof.

[texaspackerbacker]

I guess a Super Bowl 16 years ago is enough for some. I'd prefer a better team and the best way to get better is the get the O line straightened out.

If the bad O line gets Love hurt, maybe they get a top 10 pick to get another O lineman.

They beat the NE Patriots, the most overrated team in the last year, rivaled only by Seattle and maybe Denver.

It sorta seems that the QBs who have gotten hurt are quite often playing behind supposedly good or great O Lines - Bears and Vikings among others. Luck has more to do with avoiding injuries than anything else, as well as of course mobility for a QB. Let's see, how many Packer games were missed over the past three deades or so due to injury by Favre, Rodgers, and Love - playing behind arguaby some mediocre to put it charitably O Lines. How many games were missed by QBs with those good O Lines?

More Super Bowls would be nice, of course, but I place a helluva lot more value on having consistently winning teams - as we have pretty much had. Honestly, I can't even remember who was in last years Super Bowl. It seems like one of the teams, though, was "overrated" Seattle.

[Fritz]

Nobody's ever going to convince Tex of the obvious: line play matters a great deal. Joe's explanation above is as clear as it gets, but that doesn't matter to ol' Tex.

So let's talk about the unsung hero here: Karl Brooks. Two sacks. He's been consistent - by some accounts, better than Devonte "I Got Paid" Wyatt. Guy doesn't get talked about much, but he's helping hold down the fort until Brinson or Ford or somebody gets back.