More Banjo - Packers at Patriots

[bobblehead]

Oh yea.....pretty sure Love is to the point that skin will never show his face here again. Guy is legit.

[Joemailman]

Top 5 offense

• QB Jordan Love: 93.1
• WR Christian Watson: 91.8
• G Laken Tomlinson: 86.0
• WR Matthew Golden: 82.1
• WR Savion Williams: 75.7

Love earned elite marks across the board after completing six passes of at least 20 yards and scrambling for a touchdown. He had an average depth of target of 13.9 yards and an adjusted completed percentage of 88.5. Watson caught seven of eight targets for 171 yards, averaged 24.4 yards per catch and 6.11 yards per route run and caught both of his contested catch opportunities. Love had a 158.3 passer rating when targeting Watson. Tomlinson earned an elite 91.4 blocking grade while playing 12 snaps at left guard and 46 at right guard. Golden caught all 10 of his passes and averaged 5.13 yards per route run. Williams created two missed tackles after the catch and made a contested catch for a touchdown. His six touches gained 38 yards.


Top 5 defense

• S Xavier McKinney: 92.7
• CB Benjamin St-Juste: 80.8
• S Evan Williams: 78.0
• LB Isaiah McDuffie: 77.9
• CB Brandon Cisse: 74.3

McKinney picked off two passes and earned an elite 90.4 coverage grade. St-Juste played 12 snaps in garbage time. Williams had six tackles without a miss, created four pressures as a blitzer, gave up just one catch into his coverage, helped break up a pass late and caught an interception on a deflected pass. McDuffie had seven tackles without a miss, led the team with four stops, produced three pressures and a sack, and created a turnover with a forced fumble/fumble recovery combo. Cisse had a pass breakup resulting in Williams' interception, created a pressure on his only blitz and gave up just one catch for two yards on four targets into his coverage.

Bottom 5 offense

• C John Williams: 39.4
• LG Aaron Banks: 43.4
• TE Jonnu Smith: 44.4
• WR J. Michael Sturdivant: 47.4
• TE Mark Redman: 47.9

Williams gave up three pressures, committed a false start penalty and had the line's worst run-blocking grade. Banks gave up three pressures, including a sack and hit, and earned a poor 22.0 run-blocking grade. He missed several blocks. Smith struggled as a run blocker and wasn't targeted in the passing game over 16 snaps. Sturdivant had the team's worst blocking grade, and he wasn't targeted over 15 snaps. Redman had a below average 50.5 run blocking grade over 18 run-blocking snaps.


Bottom 5 defense

• DL Jordon Riley: 28.8
• DL Anthony Campbell: 45.2
• DB Javon Bullard: 46.4
• EDGE Barryn Sorrell: 48.1
• CB Carrington Valentine: 51.9

Riley finished with a poor 29.1 run defense grade over 10 snaps against the run. Campbell didn't have a pressure over 17 pass-rushing snaps. Bullard gave up three catches for 54 yards and a touchdown over 44 snaps. Sorrell had a pressure and a run stop, but he got dinged for a poor coverage grade. Valentine didn't allow a catch but was flagged for a holding penalty.


Special teams


Dani Dennis-Sutton, Kamal Hadden and Bo Melton each had a pair of special teams tackles covering kicks and punts. The Packers didn't have a special teams penalty. Trey Smack made all seven of his kicks, including a 51-yard field goal. Daniel Whelan had a 40-yard net average and had two touchbacks, but one could argue both should have been downed inside the 5. Melton had a 48-yard kickoff return. Coleman Owen's only punt return gained 13 yards.

Quarterback play

• Jordan Love: 93.1

Love completed six of his eight attempts throwing at least 20 yards downfield, producing 235 yards. He was also 7 of 9 passing off play-action for 152 yards and a score. He was under pressure on 11 dropbacks, and he completed 5 of 7 passes for 125 yards and a score when pressured. Love finished with six big-time throws, and he also scrambled for a touchdown. His grade was 87.8 or above when kept clean (90.3), under pressure 93.6), when not blitzed (93.3) and when blitzed (87.8). This was the definition of an elite quarterbacking performance.


Stats to know


The Packers sacked Drake Maye four times, had him under pressure on 21 dropbacks, allowed only one scramble and forced five throwaways. PFF charted Patriots cornerback Christian Gonzalez as allowing 11 catches on 12 targets for 192 yards and two touchdowns. The Packers were 4-for-5 on contested catch opportunities. Backup running back Kaleb Johnson created 64 yards after first contact, including two forced missed tackles, and the Packers had four runs of at least 10 yards.

[Fritz]

Whey they had success with Johnson in the second half (he had like three very normal +5 yard runs including the big one) I think it was Tomlinson and Zeitler and it might have been inside zone, which K Johnson knows from college.

Its not the offseason plan which was to use youth and athletic ability to run wide zone, but it could work. I hope someone breaks it down online.

And as you said elsewhere, the inside zone plan would be more to Jacobs's style as well.

Did they really think Marshawn Lloyd was worth changing the whole blocking scheme for?

Because we fans - and I include myself here - tend toward seeing the negative and the mistakes, I'd like to note some of the players who have played well and whom Guter acquired.

The back end of the defense is playing lights out - between Evan Williams, Xavier Mckinney, Javon Bullard, Kesian Nixon, and Cisse, they've been very good. I also thought Kamal Hadden played well in his brief appearance. The Dentist seems to have been a steal. Brenton Cox is contributing. Van Mess has been solid.

Edgerrin Cooper was a great pick. Tucker Kraft should be rounding in to form, and then there's Watson and Golden.

Oh, and the QB. What's his name.

God if they could develop even an average running game and pass block consistently and well, imagine what this offense could do.

[George Cumby]

Oh yea.....pretty sure Love is to the point that skin will never show his face here again. Guy is legit.

Promise?

[MadScientist]

Top 5 offense
PFF charted Patriots cornerback Christian Gonzalez as allowing 11 catches on 12 targets for 192 yards and two touchdowns.

Gonzales only gave up 196 yards in his first 6 games this season. The guy was legit and the Packers made him look like a practice squad call up.

[MadScientist]

God if they could develop even an average running game and pass block consistently and well, imagine what this offense could do.

Something like the 2011 Packers, 07 Pats and the greatest show on turf combined.

[NewsBruin]

PFF charted Patriots cornerback Christian Gonzalez as allowing 11 catches on 12 targets for 192 yards and two touchdowns.

Not Christian "4-year, $135,000,000.00 cornerback" Gonzalez?

[texaspackerbacker]

It took me 'til today to figure out the forum was back.

What a great game - a rout of a pretty good team at their place, but there's still improvements to be made.

A lot of talk in here about the suckage of the O Line hahahaha. There's a lot of truth to that, but as somebody posted in the game day thread, we scored a bunch and we won anyway. That is a Golden (pun intended) example of what I have said repeatedly about the lack of importance of a good OLine and running game in general. And excellent mobile QB and very good receivers, that's what it's all about. Love had pressure literally all day - same as Rodgers always did before him. No matter. He got the job done. I don't think there is a better WR in the whole league than Watson - he's looking like what I was so happy about when we drafted him. I was beginning to worry about Golden, but he's shaping up too - and against supposedly some excellent DBs.

A lot of the credit for the D goes to Gannon's coaching/scheming. Zone blitzing works, especially against a very talented but not very experienced QB. It was said before the season that Gannon's D should make McKinney thrive. Until this game, it didn't seem to happen, but in this one, it did. Williams is really talented, and the scheme maximized that talent. Cisse also did the job; Nixon not so much, but the intense pass rush mitigated his shortcomings. I honestly think Hadden would do a better job as a starting Corner than Nixon. No Cooper, No Franklin, No Parsons, I won't say it didn't make a difference, but Gannon's scheme made things work even with depleted talent. Bullard got beat a few times when the rush didn't get home but generally it was late in the play after the QB escaped. Going against QBs less athletic than Maye should make this kind of scheme even more effective, even more so when we get Parsons back.

Is it my imagination, or does Josh Jacobs look quite a bit heavier/chunkier than last year? It remains to be seen whether he still has the speed and shiftiness he had last season. I would not if I was Gutekunst trade for Taylor or Pollard or some other RB. Hopefully, Jacobs is fine, but either way the Packers offense will be fine - pass first and run a little bit as a change of pace.

[pbmax]

Love was leading the league in deep pass yardage going into the game and 'Game 9 Love' nearly passed 'Games 1-8 Love' before he got pulled out of the game.

[pbmax]

Jason B. Hirschhorn @byjbh.bsky.social · 2h
Packers HC Matt LaFleur said the second time Kevin Zeitler came in for Aaron Banks was a coaching decision: "We thought [Zeitler] did a good job. We'll evaluate that moving forward."

So we have it on record they can see the O line play.

[run pMc]

Love was on an absolute heater - anyone thinking he's not a franchise QB (or that Sean Clifford is better) is delulu.
Watson and Golden are really really good. Golden caught everything. Amazing how the offense looks when there aren't many penalties or drops.
Christian Gonzalez had a very bad game, I don't know what the NE secondary was doing.

Tucker Kraft wasn't used much; not sure why other than the WRs were so good. Savion might actually be a usable player at WR.
Banks had a groin injury, so add that to the knee and toe injuries he's also had. That contract is nearing the territory of Joe Johnson.

For the record, I understand the concept of "rewarding" Tomlinson with starters snaps at RG based on his earlier play at LG, but the actual practice of it is kind of stupid when he hasn't played it for about 10 years and he's clearly rusty. I'm in the camp of playing Morgan-Tomlinson-Williams-Zeitler-Belton, although Rhyan should replace Williams, and honestly finding someone to push Belton would be beneficial. The pass pro is ok, but the QB is getting rid of the ball very fast (sub 2.5), and the run game is still suffering.

Stenokus should go this offseason and they need to bring in an OC and especially an OL coach who can do a better job of developing and coaching players. Gute shouldn't have to bring in past their prime players to handle passing off stunts, etc. They have tried 6 different players at G, it's a bad look on the coaches if they struggle to play 2 average starters there.

On defense, Maye struggled against the disguises and pressure, and the run defense was pretty good. NE was pretty beat up with AJ Brown and Doubs out and backups on the OL. Stevenson, Pop Douglas, and Hunter Henry were the closest things they had to playmakers.

Happy for Smack, dude made all his kicks in a stadium that can be tough on kickers.

It was the most points scored by an opponent at Gillete Field, supposedly. It was a complete game, a very good win for GB and one they needed to stay in the hunt. I don't know how much of it is repeatable, but I think at a minimum they are a dangerous team who could beat (or lose to) anybody.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It took me 'til today to figure out the forum was back.

What a great game - a rout of a pretty good team at their place, but there's still improvements to be made.

A lot of talk in here about the suckage of the O Line hahahaha. There's a lot of truth to that, but as somebody posted in the game day thread, we scored a bunch and we won anyway. That is a Golden (pun intended) example of what I have said repeatedly about the lack of importance of a good OLine and running game in general. And excellent mobile QB and very good receivers, that's what it's all about. Love had pressure literally all day - same as Rodgers always did before him. No matter. He got the job done. I don't think there is a better WR in the whole league than Watson - he's looking like what I was so happy about when we drafted him. I was beginning to worry about Golden, but he's shaping up too - and against supposedly some excellent DBs.

A lot of the credit for the D goes to Gannon's coaching/scheming. Zone blitzing works, especially against a very talented but not very experienced QB. It was said before the season that Gannon's D should make McKinney thrive. Until this game, it didn't seem to happen, but in this one, it did. Williams is really talented, and the scheme maximized that talent. Cisse also did the job; Nixon not so much, but the intense pass rush mitigated his shortcomings. I honestly think Hadden would do a better job as a starting Corner than Nixon. No Cooper, No Franklin, No Parsons, I won't say it didn't make a difference, but Gannon's scheme made things work even with depleted talent. Bullard got beat a few times when the rush didn't get home but generally it was late in the play after the QB escaped. Going against QBs less athletic than Maye should make this kind of scheme even more effective, even more so when we get Parsons back.

Is it my imagination, or does Josh Jacobs look quite a bit heavier/chunkier than last year? It remains to be seen whether he still has the speed and shiftiness he had last season. I would not if I was Gutekunst trade for Taylor or Pollard or some other RB. Hopefully, Jacobs is fine, but either way the Packers offense will be fine - pass first and run a little bit as a change of pace.

I’m cool with you dissing donkey shit milksop offensive linemen, but I ain’t cool with you dissing the great all-white starting OL of Bak, Sitton, Lindsley, Lang and Bulaga. There were times with that all-white line that Butte lasted longer in the pocket than a virgin lasted in a brothel.

Side note: I reviewed the condensed film of this game, cos, to swim in the afterglow for a minute longer, and all 3 or 4 of Love’s sacks appear to come against 4-men rush. They don’t appear to be coverage sacks, which means the OL fucked up. This line has a penchant for reeking of donkey shit.

[texaspackerbacker]

hahahaha So you think they aren't "yokozumas" just because they are white?

I'll concede that sometimes we could run fairly good with that bunch, inside running mostly - not over the old sacred cow at left tackle. However, Rodgers was rushed unmercifully the huge majority of the time - a bigger percentage than you lose at poker. He was just so mobile and talented that his greatness showed through anyway. Any praise the O Line got for few sacks was caused by that mobility of Rodgers. He made the line, certainly not vice versa.

The current line indeed does reek of donkey shit, but Love balls out anyway - same as Rodgers did in similar circumstances.

I see some irrational praise for Morgan beginning to happen just like some of the same posters did for Bakhtiari. Morgan IMO is the weakest link of a horrible chain.

[pbmax]

CheeseheadTV:

Kudos to the discipline shown by the Packers' pass rush. They stayed in their lanes and closed the pocket in on Maye from all directions. They recorded four sacks officially but it could have been more as Maye made some throws in the process of being sacked. The disciplined approach didn't allow Maye to escape and hurt them with his feet. Coming into the game Maye had 216 rushing yards. The Packers held him to three yards on one attempt. Outstanding.

[bobblehead]

Love was leading the league in deep pass yardage going into the game and 'Game 9 Love' nearly passed 'Games 1-8 Love' before he got pulled out of the game.

So Stenovich benched Love too?? J/K ....sort of.

After seeing the bottom 5 I hate Steno more than ever (or someone). Banks played for shit and Zeitler got a few late snaps. Enough on that subject. But Williams to my knowledge is playing the first game snaps at center of his life. Admire the effort, but is he really better than Burton right now?? I can't even buy that its about making the calls as Williams had this camp to learn them same as Burton, but Burton played the position in college. Its just tough for me to parse this being the best use of talent. Maybe I'm the idiot and they really know what they are doing, but ffs it sure doesn't look like it.