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  • #46
    Fritz, I don't have the same disrespect for importance of D Line that I have for the importance of O Line, but I will say, scheme/coaching means more on the D side than merely the ability of the players. Gannon has plugged in some seemingly not near as good players with very good results. I'm not knocking Karl Brooks, but I think scheme and circumstances set him up to be that unsung hero.

    As for the O Line, was the line blocking really better after the first four games? Or were the skill players just better/better able to adjust to shoddy O Line play? I'd definitely say the latter. The much maligned (mostly justified) Offensive coaching may also have had something to do with it - designing some plays to use QB mobility and misdirection runs that overcome weakness of the O Line.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Fritz View Post
      Nobody's ever going to convince Tex of the obvious: line play matters a great deal. Joe's explanation above is as clear as it gets, but that doesn't matter to ol' Tex.

      So let's talk about the unsung hero here: Karl Brooks. Two sacks. He's been consistent - by some accounts, better than Devonte "I Got Paid" Wyatt. Guy doesn't get talked about much, but he's helping hold down the fort until Brinson or Ford or somebody gets back.
      Fritz. I wonder how much of Wyatt's reduced productivity is lingering/re-injury issues. From the web during the Loins game:


      Dominique Yates, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel·Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
      Sun, Oct 25, 2026·
      1 min read


      DETROIT − Green Bay Packers defensive tackle Devonte Wyatt is questionable to return due to an ankle injury he suffered late in the second quarter against the Detroit Lions.

      Wyatt walked to the locker room before halftime.

      The veteran lineman has been dealing with an ankle injury throughout the season, dating back to his fibula fracture and ankle ligament tear he suffered in Week 13 against the Lions last year.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Sparkey View Post

        Theoretically, if safeties play deeper to help on Watson and Golden, then the middle should open up more for Kraft. It would be a nice problem to have for GB.
        Kraft isn't really a stretch the seem TE. Thats more like Jonnu Smith's role (should be Musgrave).
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        • #49
          Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post

          It sorta seems that the QBs who have gotten hurt are quite often playing behind supposedly good or great O Lines - Bears and Vikings among others. Luck has more to do with avoiding injuries than anything else, as well as of course mobility for a QB. Let's see, how many Packer games were missed over the past three deades or so due to injury by Favre, Rodgers, and Love - playing behind arguaby some mediocre to put it charitably O Lines. How many games were missed by QBs with those good O Lines?

          More Super Bowls would be nice, of course, but I place a helluva lot more value on having consistently winning teams - as we have pretty much had. Honestly, I can't even remember who was in last years Super Bowl. It seems like one of the teams, though, was "overrated" Seattle.
          Williams got hurt running for a touchdown. The Vikings O line has been a mess for a couple of years. Not quite Packers early season mess, but average would be a good week mess.

          Its not a coincidence that as the pass blocking improved (Glover, Tomlinson at Guard) the pass game picked up. The entirety of O line play was catastrophic in the first few games.

          Ron Wolf wouldn't put stumblebums out there. Why should anyone be satisfied as that actually happens?

          Good offensive lines don't mean instant success but they help everything else run according to plan.
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