Bush signs Titan offer sheet

[SnakeLH2006]

I hope so. I get tired of folks (few on here) yet still there are some who clamor to resign these guys. I don't care about the money. These guys (Montgomery, Cole, Bush) are fillers who didn't do anything long-term over the season to negate their downfalls/shortcomings and are stopgaps at best. TT does well in getting undrafted rookie FA's to step in for the minimum to take their places and play at least as well. Bush for 2 years and 2 million is worthless. Upgrade via the draft as Bush was good at times on ST and worthless at other times...and totally worthless at all times at DB. Fuck Bush. End thread.

These guys are cheap. You can sign them, bring them to camp while looking for someone as good but cheaper, or someone better, or someone with more potential. If you find them, you cut the vet and are only out the modest signing bonus. If you don't find someone, at least you have a player who is familiar to you.

Signing guys like Smith, Bush, Montgomery is really no risk at all, unless the signing bonus becomes too high.

Ahh..the good "ole vets"..who cares, esp. when they were the detriment to our team being 6-10. Bush, Montgomery, etc. lost games for us. Who cares about them? If we lose games with rookies or even rookie FA's so be it, at least they aren't taking up a couple of million. Knowing a system? Those guys are loss-leaders at their position. Garbage players replaced by the best young bottom of the depth chart guys TT brings in...easily. At least they (they new guys) didn't lose games for us yet with bonehead plays "knowing the system".

How can you upgrade when the lineage of player is so low, but worth millions? Fuck the bottom-tier guys making any signing bonus. They failed, get them out.....Cut your losses. Empty the garbage TT. Good riddance.

[gbpackfan]

So the Packers should pay Bush millions and Tramon Williams should only get 500,000? Come on! Pass. Bush is junk. DBs like him are a dime a dozen.

[RashanGary]

Patrick Lee has shown to be a physical specimen that can lay the wood and run with the best of them. He's also shown to be a shitty corner by my estimation and should only get shittier with Capers playing more zone as Lee was said to be strictly a press corner.

Anyway, we have one horrible corner that will probably be on the team because he's a physical specimen that has high ST's upside. We don't need two, not when our starting corners are so old. We need to find a legit corner prospect. Oh yeah, and Blackmon is the worst corner in the NFL and he's on our roster because of ST's. There is just not room for Bush, Blackmon and Lee. To me, you keep Lee because (MAYBE and that is a big maybe, he pans out). Blackmon is on thin ice, you really hope to find someone who can play defense and Bush has to be replaced.

[Rastak]

The Packers have already decided he is worth a million to them, or they wouldn't have extended the RFA tender that they have. It will be interesting to see how much more the Titans have offered. It will probably come down to a question of whether or not the Packers are willing to pay a modest bonus that is probably part of the Titans offer. Something like the $100k they gave Smith. It is also likely that the Titans offer is more than a year, but is probably not more than 2 either.

I will be surprised if the total potential value is more than Smith's, about $2M over two years. If that is all it is, with only $100k or so guaranteed, the Packers will probably match it to bring him into camp. If it is much more than that, they will let him leave.

I hope so. I get tired of folks (few on here) yet still there are some who clamor to resign these guys. I don't care about the money. These guys (Montgomery, Cole, Bush) are fillers who didn't do anything long-term over the season to negate their downfalls/shortcomings and are stopgaps at best. TT does well in getting undrafted rookie FA's to step in for the minimum to take their places and play at least as well. Bush for 2 years and 2 million is worthless. Upgrade via the draft as Bush was good at times on ST and worthless at other times...and totally worthless at all times at DB. Fuck Bush. End thread.

What happened to talking in the third person?

[RashanGary]

People keep complaining of the DE's. Last year we played a 4-3 and needed 3 or 4 extra DL. This year we play a 3-4 so we immediately trim the worst 3 or 4 lineman off our roster. All that's left is the cream and we have to hope for some improvement to supplement it. Just changing schemes, changed the dynamic of our DL. They went from thin to OK, not because we changed personnel, but because we don't need as much personnel and as it turns out, we didn't have enough so it was a pretty fitting switch. I do think a NT to work with PIckett is paramount. That is the most important position on the defense and while Pickett is a solid player, he can't be asked to be the best player on a defense. At worst, we need another player PIcketts caliber so they are always fresh in there.

As far as needs, Corner is up there. I like Tramon, after that, I can't stand these zeros. They are all ST's players and that is it. Our starters are getting so old, we cannot go into a season where one injury puts one of these losers in the line of fire.

Like Patler said though, if there is zero risk, bring him in to compete. Bush and Patrick Lee could go down and we could be in real need of a shitty corner that can play ST's like a madman. All you're doing is covering your tail if something bad happens at camp and not paying anything to do it. Still, I really hope he's gone by the start of the season. I do not like him, Blackmon or Lee at all. I'm hoping two of the three are replaced with better defensive prospects that can also play ST's.

[Joemailman]

Patrick Lee has shown to be a physical specimen that can lay the wood and run with the best of them. He's also shown to be a shitty corner by my estimation and should only get shittier with Capers playing more zone as Lee was said to be strictly a press corner.

Anyway, we have one horrible corner that will probably be on the team because he's a physical specimen that has high ST's upside. We don't need two, not when our starting corners are so old. We need to find a legit corner prospect. Oh yeah, and Blackmon is the worst corner in the NFL and he's on our roster because of ST's. There is just not room for Bush, Blackmon and Lee. To me, you keep Lee because (MAYBE and that is a big maybe, he pans out). Blackmon is on thin ice, you really hope to find someone who can play defense and Bush has to be replaced.

Lee was said to be strictly a press corner because that's what they played at Auburn. There's really no evidence right now on how effectively he can play zone. Blackmon is not on thin ice unless the Packers find a punt returner who is better than him. Unlikely in my opinion.

[KYPack]

Lee was said to be strictly a press corner because that's what they played at Auburn. There's really no evidence right now on how effectively he can play zone. Blackmon is not on thin ice unless the Packers find a punt returner who is better than him. Unlikely in my opinion.

I can't figure out Lee. He played press at Auburn. But to me, he looks more comfortable in off cover at a 1 or 3 yard technique, when he doesn't look totally lost. He may have played press in college, but he doesn't know how to play it in the NFL yet. The kid has some great skills, but he's green as goose shit.

He was so out of it last year, he's like ready for his rookie year THIS season.

[KYPack]

I hope so. I get tired of folks (few on here) yet still there are some who clamor to resign these guys. I don't care about the money. These guys (Montgomery, Cole, Bush) are fillers who didn't do anything long-term over the season to negate their downfalls/shortcomings and are stopgaps at best. TT does well in getting undrafted rookie FA's to step in for the minimum to take their places and play at least as well. Bush for 2 years and 2 million is worthless. Upgrade via the draft as Bush was good at times on ST and worthless at other times...and totally worthless at all times at DB. Fuck Bush. End thread.

What happened to talking in the third person?

Yeah!

What happened to Snake?

KY wants to know what Snake thinks.

What is Snakes' take?

Where is Snake?

Etc.

[Patler]

These guys are cheap. You can sign them, bring them to camp while looking for someone as good but cheaper, or someone better, or someone with more potential. If you find them, you cut the vet and are only out the modest signing bonus. If you don't find someone, at least you have a player who is familiar to you.

Signing guys like Smith, Bush, Montgomery is really no risk at all, unless the signing bonus becomes too high.

Ahh..the good "ole vets"..who cares, esp. when they were the detriment to our team being 6-10. Bush, Montgomery, etc. lost games for us. Who cares about them? If we lose games with rookies or even rookie FA's so be it, at least they aren't taking up a couple of million. Knowing a system? Those guys are loss-leaders at their position. Garbage players replaced by the best young bottom of the depth chart guys TT brings in...easily. At least they (they new guys) didn't lose games for us yet with bonehead plays "knowing the system".

How can you upgrade when the lineage of player is so low, but worth millions? Fuck the bottom-tier guys making any signing bonus. They failed, get them out.....Cut your losses. Empty the garbage TT. Good riddance.

I don't care about guys like Bush. That's the whole point. You sign them because they are cheap with little to no guarantee. You look for something better. If you find better, you keep better and you release the vet. If all you find are the likes of Mike Hawkins, Patrick Dendy, Bhawoh Jue or others; you still might be better of with Bush.

The whole idea is that this guy never sees the field as a CB anyway. He is active on game days just to play ST.

[SkinBasket]

Happy day. The guy disrupted just as many of our returns as he did the opponents. And there was that whole couldn't play defense thing. Not a positive when you're a defensive back.

[Bretsky]

These guys are cheap. You can sign them, bring them to camp while looking for someone as good but cheaper, or someone better, or someone with more potential. If you find them, you cut the vet and are only out the modest signing bonus. If you don't find someone, at least you have a player who is familiar to you.

Signing guys like Smith, Bush, Montgomery is really no risk at all, unless the signing bonus becomes too high.

Ahh..the good "ole vets"..who cares, esp. when they were the detriment to our team being 6-10. Bush, Montgomery, etc. lost games for us. Who cares about them? If we lose games with rookies or even rookie FA's so be it, at least they aren't taking up a couple of million. Knowing a system? Those guys are loss-leaders at their position. Garbage players replaced by the best young bottom of the depth chart guys TT brings in...easily. At least they (they new guys) didn't lose games for us yet with bonehead plays "knowing the system".

How can you upgrade when the lineage of player is so low, but worth millions? Fuck the bottom-tier guys making any signing bonus. They failed, get them out.....Cut your losses. Empty the garbage TT. Good riddance.

I don't care about guys like Bush. That's the whole point. You sign them because they are cheap with little to no guarantee. You look for something better. If you find better, you keep better and you release the vet. If all you find are the likes of Mike Hawkins, Patrick Dendy, Bhawoh Jue or others; you still might be better of with Bush.

The whole idea is that this guy never sees the field as a CB anyway. He is active on game days just to play ST.

agree

Patler..........dropped you a PM

[Bossman641]

Please don't match the offer TT

[rbaloha1]

Hope Bush is not resigned. Lee played in the SEC. Hopefully Coach Perry can develop Lee.

Rather use the money on signing Collins and Tramon Williams.

[sheepshead]

Please don't match the offer TT

xactly--this guy can be replaced one way or another.

[Pugger]

It would be interesting if we knew what kind of a deal TN offered... then we'd have an idea if TT would match it (gulp!).