Bush signs Titan offer sheet

[BlueBrewer]

Man, you guys really don't like the guy. I kind of do. Not necessarily as a defender, but he is a good gunner. One of the best since Jervey.

You go to bat for the guy with the most penalties per snap played in a season since Ahmad Carroll, but you dont like Rodgers.......brilliant. Do you know Tank?

[texaspackerbacker]

It certainly isn't a matter of Bush or Lee. Lee has a chance to be a good player, and should compete with Blackmon for the 4th Corner spot. Bush was the 6th last year, and if he is kept, would be that again.

Second point: there's no such thing as "strictly a press corner". Playing zone takes less skill and athleticism than press coverage. I'm sure Lee could learn and be more than decent in zone coverage. Bush, on the other hand, has serious limitations in press, but he should be better in zone coverage.

I hope and think they will match the offer if it is as low as reported. Bush ain't great, but he's better than many in here give him credit for (the old grass is greener elsewhere syndrome), and he's far better than most teams' sixth best Corner.

[KYPack]

It certainly isn't a matter of Bush or Lee. Lee has a chance to be a good player, and should compete with Blackmon for the 4th Corner spot. Bush was the 6th last year, and if he is kept, would be that again.

Second point: there's no such thing as "strictly a press corner". Playing zone takes less skill and athleticism than press coverage. I'm sure Lee could learn and be more than decent in zone coverage. Bush, on the other hand, has serious limitations in press, but he should be better in zone coverage.

I hope and think they will match the offer if it is as low as reported. Bush ain't great, but he's better than many in here give him credit for (the old grass is greener elsewhere syndrome), and he's far better than most teams' sixth best Corner.

There's no such thing as "strictly a press corner"? That's true to an extent, but the individual player has his preferences. The closest corner in the league to being an exclusively press guy is Al Harris. Al is very quick with his first step. He has tremendously strong arms, hands and shoulders. He's also relatively slow afoot. he needs the advantages press gives him to limit the speed guys. We've all seen what a physical guy that can move Al can do to totally whip his coverage. Al hates off technique in zone cover. It robs him of his strengths.

Lee? I'd think that kid could be molded into anything you'd want. If he learns basic technique. Kid's got a ton of athleticism, but no clue how to play corner in the NFL. He's got one of the best secondary coaches in the league in Darren Perry. I think (&hope) DP will get him goin' and we won't have to worry about Bushes.

[Fritz]

a million bucks? What is the veterans minimum? 700k? He's versatile. I pay him a 1 million gladly. It's a short term deal, after all.

why does it matter what the vets minimum is ? Limited upside for this guy

If TT would open up his wallet and let the dust scatter around the room he could fine a veteran DB at 1,000,000 that's better than this guy

if tt took a shit on the floor of his office he would probably find a more talented db

I didn't know that Mr. Hanky could play defensive back!

[SnakeLH2006]

I hope so. I get tired of folks (few on here) yet still there are some who clamor to resign these guys. I don't care about the money. These guys (Montgomery, Cole, Bush) are fillers who didn't do anything long-term over the season to negate their downfalls/shortcomings and are stopgaps at best. TT does well in getting undrafted rookie FA's to step in for the minimum to take their places and play at least as well. Bush for 2 years and 2 million is worthless. Upgrade via the draft as Bush was good at times on ST and worthless at other times...and totally worthless at all times at DB. Fuck Bush. End thread.

What happened to talking in the third person?

Yeah!

What happened to Snake?

KY wants to know what Snake thinks.

What is Snakes' take?

Where is Snake?

Etc.

Snake apologizes as an imposter ran amok on Snake's laptop last night, but failed to realize that the "real" Snake is a 3rd person entity entirely perpetuated by the "real" poster, Snake.

Snake doesn't necessarily buy into the fact the "grass is greener" logic with Bush, as some high school players have more instincts than Bush. Snake feels Bush can't play a lick and loses games with bonehead plays....FACT.

Snake would like TT to round up his legions of lower tier college scouting heads (his rookie FA gold digger posse) to find a cheap ass minimum wage replacement for Bush.

Snake's Take:

Bush is terrible and is not worth bringing into camp, esp. when such a bottom tier dude makes dumb penalties, and can't play his position...cornerback, worth a damn.

Better?

[KYPack]

I dunno, Snake. Bush is an athlete, a ST terror, half ass at his position and a dumbshit & dunderhead.

Worth a mil per year?

AHHHHHHHHHHH,

No.

Fisher thinks he is, let him pay him.

I think TT pays Tramon, let's Bush walk.

[Guiness]

It certainly isn't a matter of Bush or Lee. Lee has a chance to be a good player, and should compete with Blackmon for the 4th Corner spot. Bush was the 6th last year, and if he is kept, would be that again.

Second point: there's no such thing as "strictly a press corner". Playing zone takes less skill and athleticism than press coverage. I'm sure Lee could learn and be more than decent in zone coverage. Bush, on the other hand, has serious limitations in press, but he should be better in zone coverage.

I hope and think they will match the offer if it is as low as reported. Bush ain't great, but he's better than many in here give him credit for (the old grass is greener elsewhere syndrome), and he's far better than most teams' sixth best Corner.

No such thing as 'strictly a press corner'? Wrong - I was one. I was comfortable playing as long as I could keep a hand on my guy, and 'feel' where he was going. When I played off, i.e. in space, I was lost, and if my guy juked there was trouble. TD trouble.

System was to put what coach called a feeler hand on the WR's thigh and use it to follow him - with your hand there, you could track him while looking back for the ball. But like I said, if he got seperation, you were really lost in space.

[SnakeLH2006]

I dunno, Snake. Bush is an athlete, a ST terror, half ass at his position and a dumbshit & dunderhead.

Worth a mil per year?

AHHHHHHHHHHH,

No.

Fisher thinks he is, let him pay him.

I think TT pays Tramon, let's Bush walk.

Snake administers a +1, but wonders "what" CB is not an athlete? Dime a dozen bro. There's a reason we picked this guy up on the scrapheap. If he gets a signing bonus, Snake prays Bush spends it on some video archives of corners who have a clue, as Bush has no clue on how to play (seems like a nice guy, but no football instincts...see Travon...that kid has plenty...pay him).

Penalties are fine for DB's when they shut down the field/make plays (Wood and Al come to mind) but not for a guy who plays a few plays and gets roasted in the dime or makes a good play on ST, then on the next series draws a 15 yard flag. No scrilla for Bushy in Snake's book. Why give him any money (even the min.) as he sucks, sucks in the system, sucks in instincts, etc.? Give him no money. NONE.

Snake's Take:

And the funny thing is some (few) think we should re-up these guys like him and Mont. for cheap. Those 2 guys caused the biggest uproars with me and my buds as I rewinded play after play last year seeing them get toasted. WHY re-up these turds if they can't play, esp. for millions, then LOOK for replacements. Awful guideline. They are terrible and don't deserve to come into camp for free. Snake would pee on their parking spaces.

[Pugger]

Bush might be an athlete but if he doesn't have anything between the ears what good is he?

[texaspackerbacker]

It certainly isn't a matter of Bush or Lee. Lee has a chance to be a good player, and should compete with Blackmon for the 4th Corner spot. Bush was the 6th last year, and if he is kept, would be that again.

Second point: there's no such thing as "strictly a press corner". Playing zone takes less skill and athleticism than press coverage. I'm sure Lee could learn and be more than decent in zone coverage. Bush, on the other hand, has serious limitations in press, but he should be better in zone coverage.

I hope and think they will match the offer if it is as low as reported. Bush ain't great, but he's better than many in here give him credit for (the old grass is greener elsewhere syndrome), and he's far better than most teams' sixth best Corner.

No such thing as 'strictly a press corner'? Wrong - I was one. I was comfortable playing as long as I could keep a hand on my guy, and 'feel' where he was going. When I played off, i.e. in space, I was lost, and if my guy juked there was trouble. TD trouble.

System was to put what coach called a feeler hand on the WR's thigh and use it to follow him - with your hand there, you could track him while looking back for the ball. But like I said, if he got seperation, you were really lost in space.

You're not the former high school Corner who claims to have shut down Darren Chareles, are you?

[texaspackerbacker]

It certainly isn't a matter of Bush or Lee. Lee has a chance to be a good player, and should compete with Blackmon for the 4th Corner spot. Bush was the 6th last year, and if he is kept, would be that again.

Second point: there's no such thing as "strictly a press corner". Playing zone takes less skill and athleticism than press coverage. I'm sure Lee could learn and be more than decent in zone coverage. Bush, on the other hand, has serious limitations in press, but he should be better in zone coverage.

I hope and think they will match the offer if it is as low as reported. Bush ain't great, but he's better than many in here give him credit for (the old grass is greener elsewhere syndrome), and he's far better than most teams' sixth best Corner.

There's no such thing as "strictly a press corner"? That's true to an extent, but the individual player has his preferences. The closest corner in the league to being an exclusively press guy is Al Harris. Al is very quick with his first step. He has tremendously strong arms, hands and shoulders. He's also relatively slow afoot. he needs the advantages press gives him to limit the speed guys. We've all seen what a physical guy that can move Al can do to totally whip his coverage. Al hates off technique in zone cover. It robs him of his strengths.

Lee? I'd think that kid could be molded into anything you'd want. If he learns basic technique. Kid's got a ton of athleticism, but no clue how to play corner in the NFL. He's got one of the best secondary coaches in the league in Darren Perry. I think (&hope) DP will get him goin' and we won't have to worry about Bushes.

My point is that a guy like Al Harris--or Patrick Lee--who has the talent to play press could undoubtedly adjust fairly easily to play zone where relatively less athleticism is needed. That theory may well get tested this season.

[KYPack]

I dunno, Snake. Bush is an athlete, a ST terror, half ass at his position and a dumbshit & dunderhead.

Worth a mil per year?

AHHHHHHHHHHH,

No.

Fisher thinks he is, let him pay him.

I think TT pays Tramon, let's Bush walk.

Snake administers a +1, but wonders "what" CB is not an athlete? Dime a dozen bro. There's a reason we picked this guy up on the scrapheap. If he gets a signing bonus, Snake prays Bush spends it on some video archives of corners who have a clue, as Bush has no clue on how to play (seems like a nice guy, but no football instincts...see Travon...that kid has plenty...pay him).

Penalties are fine for DB's when they shut down the field/make plays (Wood and Al come to mind) but not for a guy who plays a few plays and gets roasted in the dime or makes a good play on ST, then on the next series draws a 15 yard flag. No scrilla for Bushy in Snake's book. Why give him any money (even the min.) as he sucks, sucks in the system, sucks in instincts, etc.? Give him no money. NONE.

Snake's Take:

And the funny thing is some (few) think we should re-up these guys like him and Mont. for cheap. Those 2 guys caused the biggest uproars with me and my buds as I rewinded play after play last year seeing them get toasted. WHY re-up these turds if they can't play, esp. for millions, then LOOK for replacements. Awful guideline. They are terrible and don't deserve to come into camp for free. Snake would pee on their parking spaces.

I can't tell if you understood my post, but I agree with ya. To keep Bush we have to pay him a million a year. No way.

I think TT pays Tramon, let's Bush walk. Bush will get his paychecks in Nashville this year.

It's Tramon, not Travon. Disable that "v" on yer keyboard.

[packrat]

Match the offer if it doesn't have much in guaranteed money. He then costs us money only if he makes the roster and there is nothing wrong with having competition in training camp.

[KYPack]

Second point: there's no such thing as "strictly a press corner". Playing zone takes less skill and athleticism than press coverage. I'm sure Lee could learn and be more than decent in zone coverage. Bush, on the other hand, has serious limitations in press, but he should be better in zone coverage.

I hope and think they will match the offer if it is as low as reported. Bush ain't great, but he's better than many in here give him credit for (the old grass is greener elsewhere syndrome), and he's far better than most teams' sixth best Corner.

No such thing as 'strictly a press corner'? Wrong - I was one. I was comfortable playing as long as I could keep a hand on my guy, and 'feel' where he was going. When I played off, i.e. in space, I was lost, and if my guy juked there was trouble. TD trouble.

System was to put what coach called a feeler hand on the WR's thigh and use it to follow him - with your hand there, you could track him while looking back for the ball. But like I said, if he got seperation, you were really lost in space.

Right Guiness, I was a corner, too. There are 'strictly a press corners', lots of 'em. I HATED press. I'm smaller and press put me in a jackpot. I far preferred off technique. Part of off cover is the fact that "peeking' is a part of your technique. That little "sneak a peek" was my lifeline. I felt like I had a blindfold on when playing press. I was almost always smaller than the WR's. What the hell do I want to hit him right away for? I far preferred getting my read and delivering a blow when I needed it, not almost every snap.

We were coached differently. The corners were taught to get in the recievers hip with our hip and run out with him. You can read his break quite well using that trick. We also played off at 3 yards and 5 yards. I also hated 5 yard technique. Why give 'em that much room to run? Tie 'em up and knock 'em off their break.

I've noticed many corners using that feeler hand like an outrigger or something, but never was coached to do it that way.

[Guiness]

No such thing as 'strictly a press corner'? Wrong - I was one. I was comfortable playing as long as I could keep a hand on my guy, and 'feel' where he was going. When I played off, i.e. in space, I was lost, and if my guy juked there was trouble. TD trouble.

System was to put what coach called a feeler hand on the WR's thigh and use it to follow him - with your hand there, you could track him while looking back for the ball. But like I said, if he got seperation, you were really lost in space.

You're not the former high school Corner who claims to have shut down Darren Chareles, are you?

No, but close

I'm the former university corner who thought he could jump with the best of them, and got SCHOOLED by Tyrone Williams (the WR, not the CB!) when I went up for the ball, and had to look to see if he was using a step ladder, he was so high above me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrone_Williams (wide_receiver)