STICKING TO THE PLAN

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/41244677.html

[Bretsky]

Lori fluffy Nickel paints a very good picture
but
The part that jumped out at me was Fan Fest was not sold out


I don't think I ever recall it not selling out early

[cpk1994]

Lori fluffy Nickel paints a very good picture
but
The part that jumped out at me was Fan Fest was not sold out


I don't think I ever recall it not selling out early

Well, I think the economy and people spending less right now has something to do with it.

[packrulz]

There's no great players in free agency anyway, not unrestricted. M3 says the 2009 season starts Monday: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/.../90313197/1058

[Joemailman]

Lori fluffy Nickel paints a very good picture
but
The part that jumped out at me was Fan Fest was not sold out


I don't think I ever recall it not selling out early

Well, I think the economy and people spending less right now has something to do with it.

You don't think the recession is TT's fault?

[ND72]

and the fact fan fest is now $85 is rediculous. I went the first 2 years at $40 a crack, and would easily spend between $200-$300 both weekends. All they do is give you "coupons" on % off the pro shop, so any idiot goes, OK, I'll spend a ton and get more off...just like me. Plus, while you're there, you might as well eat there...so that's another easy $40 a day just for 1 person.

[KYPack]

I'd be a lot more fired up if the plan was always right. But the "plan" got us lost in the Woods last year. That doesn't bother Lori Nickel, but it worries me some.

One part of the plan that makes me nervous the whole "kids, kids, kids, grow from within" deal.

Look at the DB's. Williams is holding us up for money and Jarrett Bush will get a million a year from us or Tenn. They have the time in and are going to get the best deal. Williams will get a couple mil a year or so, if we sign him. Bush will get a mil a year. We have to lay out good money to retain both players. Meanwhile, NE just signed Leigh Bodden for $750,000, the beloved veterans minimum for a player of his time and grade.

Leigh Bodden is a comparable player to Williams. He is a much better corner than Bush, doesn't play safety and isn't a ST guy. We could have had a reasonable solution to this problem by signing Bodden and Bush. Let Williams walk and we have two back-up CB's for under two million per year. We won't because Thompson's vision of the plan is to retain his own at all costs. (This ain't no Anti-TT rap here, now).

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available. I think it's OK that we don't get "stupid money" vet FA's. But we should get more value FA's. As you can guess, I've always like Leigh Bodden. He's a good young troop. A vet player who got screwed by being with dumb organizations. It isn't his fault that he played for Savage's Browns and Millen's Lions.

NE is the team that uses the value vet FA market the best. They grow their own, but sign vet FA's and make smart trades. I'd like to see us keep our overall approach, but be clever in all areas. Our reluctance to make a deal or sign a value vet is hurting us.

[Bretsky]

I'd be a lot more fired up if the plan was always right. But the "plan" got us lost in the Woods last year. That doesn't bother Lori Nickel, but it worries me some.

One part of the plan that makes me nervous the whole "kids, kids, kids, grow from within" deal.

Look at the DB's. Williams is holding us up for money and Jarrett Bush will get a million a year from us or Tenn. They have the time in and are going to get the best deal. Williams will get a couple mil a year or so, if we sign him. Bush will get a mil a year. We have to lay out good money to retain both players. Meanwhile, NE just signed Leigh Bodden for $750,000, the beloved veterans minimum for a player of his time and grade.

Leigh Bodden is a comparable player to Williams. He is a much better corner than Bush, doesn't play safety and isn't a ST guy. We could have had a reasonable solution to this problem by signing Bodden and Bush. Let Williams walk and we have two back-up CB's for under two million per year. We won't because Thompson's vision of the plan is to retain his own at all costs. (This ain't no Anti-TT rap here, now).

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available. I think it's OK that we don't get "stupid money" vet FA's. But we should get more value FA's. As you can guess, I've always like Leigh Bodden. He's a good young troop. A vet player who got screwed by being with dumb organizations. It isn't his fault that he played for Savage's Browns and Millen's Lions.

NE is the team that uses the value vet FA market the best. They grow their own, but sign vet FA's and make smart trades. I'd like to see us keep our overall approach, but be clever in all areas. Our reluctance to make a deal or sign a value vet is hurting us.

One of best posts I've read in a while

[Packnut]

Post

I'd be a lot more fired up if the plan was always right. But the "plan" got us lost in the Woods last year. That doesn't bother Lori Nickel, but it worries me some.

One part of the plan that makes me nervous the whole "kids, kids, kids, grow from within" deal.

Look at the DB's. Williams is holding us up for money and Jarrett Bush will get a million a year from us or Tenn. They have the time in and are going to get the best deal. Williams will get a couple mil a year or so, if we sign him. Bush will get a mil a year. We have to lay out good money to retain both players. Meanwhile, NE just signed Leigh Bodden for $750,000, the beloved veterans minimum for a player of his time and grade.

Leigh Bodden is a comparable player to Williams. He is a much better corner than Bush, doesn't play safety and isn't a ST guy. We could have had a reasonable solution to this problem by signing Bodden and Bush. Let Williams walk and we have two back-up CB's for under two million per year. We won't because Thompson's vision of the plan is to retain his own at all costs. (This ain't no Anti-TT rap here, now).

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available. I think it's OK that we don't get "stupid money" vet FA's. But we should get more value FA's. As you can guess, I've always like Leigh Bodden. He's a good young troop. A vet player who got screwed by being with dumb organizations. It isn't his fault that he played for Savage's Browns and Millen's Lions.

NE is the team that uses the value vet FA market the best. They grow their own, but sign vet FA's and make smart trades. I'd like to see us keep our overall approach, but be clever in all areas. Our reluctance to make a deal or sign a value vet is hurting us.

One of best posts I've read in a while

Yep

[Patler]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

[red]

I'd be a lot more fired up if the plan was always right. But the "plan" got us lost in the Woods last year. That doesn't bother Lori Nickel, but it worries me some.

One part of the plan that makes me nervous the whole "kids, kids, kids, grow from within" deal.

Look at the DB's. Williams is holding us up for money and Jarrett Bush will get a million a year from us or Tenn. They have the time in and are going to get the best deal. Williams will get a couple mil a year or so, if we sign him. Bush will get a mil a year. We have to lay out good money to retain both players. Meanwhile, NE just signed Leigh Bodden for $750,000, the beloved veterans minimum for a player of his time and grade.

Leigh Bodden is a comparable player to Williams. He is a much better corner than Bush, doesn't play safety and isn't a ST guy. We could have had a reasonable solution to this problem by signing Bodden and Bush. Let Williams walk and we have two back-up CB's for under two million per year. We won't because Thompson's vision of the plan is to retain his own at all costs. (This ain't no Anti-TT rap here, now).

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available. I think it's OK that we don't get "stupid money" vet FA's. But we should get more value FA's. As you can guess, I've always like Leigh Bodden. He's a good young troop. A vet player who got screwed by being with dumb organizations. It isn't his fault that he played for Savage's Browns and Millen's Lions.

NE is the team that uses the value vet FA market the best. They grow their own, but sign vet FA's and make smart trades. I'd like to see us keep our overall approach, but be clever in all areas. Our reluctance to make a deal or sign a value vet is hurting us.

One of best posts I've read in a while

yup, great post ky

[KYPack]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

Yeah.

I equate signing Bodden and letting Williams walk a similar move. I'd really would've liked signing Bodden, paying Williams and letting Bush walk. Bush is a ST terror, but a man with no position on D. He's a weak corner and a mediocre safety.

[Bretsky]

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

and Frank Walker for.........aaaaaaa

of forget it

[Packnut]

Hodge

Sometimes, a vet FA is a better alternative than the "plan". We should get talent from all the streams available.

You mean like signing Chiller instead of waiting for Hodge to develop???

Gee, May-be Hodge was a lousy pick to begin with? IF you draft a good LB with that 3rd pick, then you have no need to sign Chiller. Then you could have spent that money on a position of weakness elsewhere..

I fail to understand why the snow-ball theory is a difficult concept for some. When you miss on a high draft pick, it creates a dominoe effect. Now you have to cover the bad move with another move.

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

That said, Rogers is the wild card. IF he developes into an impact player, then Teddy's draft record improves from abysmal to a tad above ok.

[Patler]

Re: Hodge

Gee, May-be Hodge was a lousy pick to begin with? IF you draft a good LB with that 3rd pick, then you have no need to sign Chiller. Then you could have spent that money on a position of weakness elsewhere..

I fail to understand why the snow-ball theory is a difficult concept for some. When you miss on a high draft pick, it creates a dominoe effect. Now you have to cover the bad move with another move.

That is why I'm so critical of failed choices. I just don't shrugg it off and say "oh well, ya can't be right on every pick". I see the bigger picture and how bad moves by a GM trickle down. One impact player in 4 seasons is a very poor record and foolish to defend.

That said, Rogers is the wild card. IF he developes into an impact player, then Teddy's draft record improves from abysmal to a tad above ok.

Well of course Hodge was a lousy pick to begin with. Any player who flops is a lousy pick. You are apparently missing the point of discussion, whether TT puts too much into waiting for his picks to develop rather than finding a FA alternative. I simply point out at least one time that he went with the FA alternative.

Do you really expect every pick every year to turn out the way it is hoped? That is unrealistic.