For TT Lovers...

[LL2]

I saw this posted over at CBS Sports. Not sure if it has been posted already or anyone else has seen it. Some good points, and TT does need to start producing...I have supported most of his moves, but he is going on year 4.

March 6, 2009 1:58 pmScore: 232Log-in to rate:Log-in to rate: Log-in to rate:


1. Favre

2. For being such a draft wizard the only notable 1st pick is Hawk ( and trust me that didn’t take a rocket scientist)

3. Drafting Harrell

4. Firing Sherman he was a proven winner with only 1 losing season. Under his leadership, the Packers had won three consecutive division titles. ( that season we lost 4 or 5 RB's, you can't win if you don’t have balance)

5. Firing most of the front office between the 2006-2007 season

6. Thompson outright released safety and defensive leader Darren Sharper, who promptly defected to the Minnesota Vikings (and has had two Pro Bowl seasons, including leading the league in interceptions from his position, since being released).

7. Thompson declined to resign either of the Packers Pro Bowl Guards, Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera. As any veteran QB knows, not resigning two of your primary protectors has to be a bad sign for your health. A worse sign? Thompson did not draft a single Offensive Lineman to replace Wahle or Rivera in the first day of the draft, and instead signed low priced guards - and, most considered, career backups - Matt O’Dwyer and Adrian Klemm. At the time, Thompson praised both to high heaven, saying that they had solved the offensive line problems and saved money at the same time.

8. Inheriting a 10-6 and "rebuilding" it to a 4-12 team.

9. Thompson passed on re-signing Pro Bowl kicker Ryan Longwell.

10.Thompson passed on re-signing All-Pro center Mike Flanagan

11.Thompson signed Marquand Manuel away from the Seattle Seahawks, brought over DT Ryan Pickett from the St. Louis Rams, LB Ben Taylor from the Cleveland Browns, and cornerback Charles Woodson from the Oakland Raiders. Of Thompson’s free agent acquisitions from 2006, only Pickett and Woodson have played well - Manuel was an unmitigated disaster, and several others (Barry, Henderson, Taylor, and several other minor players) are today, less than two seasons later, all listed as “out of football.”

12.Signing NY Giants DB Frank Walker, a career backup. Walker would finish the year with one (1) pass defended.

13.WR James Jones in the third round (though Jones turned out to be a decent selection, but how his 676 yards for a third rounder beat Moss’s 1,493 for a fourth, I don’t know).

14.Consider this for a moment: exactly four players out of Thompson’s ridiculously high number of draft selections (more than any other team over the same period) in any of the four years he’s been Packers GM have contributed anything significant to the success of the team.

15.And Last but not least because he has divided the fans of GB!

[cpk1994]

Did Tank post this? On second thought, there are no gay reference in there so it cant be him.

[Stevogbfan]

shouldn't this post say "for tt haters"?

[Partial]

TT has been OK at best so far. I know some people don't like to look at cold hard facts, but the only thing that matters is one playoff appearance in 4 seasons.

That is completely unacceptable in GB. If the trend doesn't reverse this year, he'll be canned without a doubt imo.

[sheepshead]

I predict this thread will live on top of the forum for a while. Let the games begin.

[Gunakor]

2. (and could pertain to 1. as well) Aaron Rodgers isn't considered even a "notable" first round pick?

5. Thompson fired most of the front office between the 2006-2007 season. Then in 2007 the team finished 13-3 and hosted an NFC Championship game. Don't know why this was even noted as a knock against Thompson.

8. Were Taco Wallace, Noah Herron, Carlyle Holiday or Samkon Gado even considered when evaluating the 4-12 rebuilding effort in TT's first season as GM? I mean, it's hard to finish the season with double-digit wins when 2 of your top 3 WR's go down for the season, as well as each and every HB on your opening day roster. I don't know what people expect in that situation, who should TT have signed that year to be our #5 HB that would have put us over the top? People really need to let that one go.

12. Re: Frank Walker - a career backup, signed by TT to a one year deal to be, you guessed it, a BACKUP. Big surprise.

15. I still contend that Brett Favre divided the fans of GB. I don't recall Packer Nation being split before last summer. The Favre saga is what split Packer Nation into pro-Thompson/anti-Favre vs pro-Favre/anti-Thompson.

[Waldo]

Re: For TT Lovers...

14.Consider this for a moment: exactly four players out of Thompson’s ridiculously high number of draft selections (more than any other team over the same period) in any of the four years he’s been Packers GM have contributed anything significant to the success of the team.

This is just a load of crap.

Rodgers, Collins, Poppinga, Hawk, Colledge, Jennings, Spitz, Jolly, Hall, and Crosby are all starters and significant contributers.

Jones, Blackmon, Nelson, Jackson, Montgomery, and Rouse have all made big contributions off the bench, Jones, Blackmon, and Rouse have each made big plays that directly led to wins.

Sitton, Thompson, Bishop, Moll, Finley, Lee and Barbre are poised to become much bigger contributers in the near future.

[KYPack]

You could make a similar list for every coach and GM in the NFL.

It does sound like Tank's line of shit that somebody spruced up with decent grammar and spelling.

[Joemailman]

The points made will make sense to some people following a 6-10 season. Most of the points would have been laughable if made following the 2007 season. 2009 is the most important season of TT's tenure. He needs to prove that 2008 was the anomaly, not 2007.

[sheepshead]

I think MM's closer to the hot seat than TT is.

[Packnut]

Thompson

Even in a best case scenario giving Teddy the benefit of the doubt, any HONEST (no kool-aid, wishful, may-be, excuse making and rational) fan would not be able to give him any grade higher than a C.

That list has a lot of FACTUAL mistakes that Thomspon has made that even the most ardent Teddy ass kissing clowns here would be hard pressed to defend.

I grade Teddy out at a C- for his four years in GB. Now that grade changes on the progress of Rodgers. IF he turns out to be an impact QB, then that grade has to go to B-. My reasoning is that QB is the most important position and if a GM hits on that pick, it should have a HUGE bearing on his over-all grade.

Based on what I saw last season, Rodgers has a better than 50-50 shot at being an impact player. I do not agree with those here who take it for granted that he will be an impact player. No one can predict with any degree of certainty that he's pro bowl bound.

It does seem in looking around at all the sites, that this season's results will go a long way in determing Thompson's future. If MM has Finally removed his head from his ass and will settle on a starting O line early in camp, and with the expected improvement of our WR's (Jennings, Jones and Nelson all have enough experience in the WC offense), and with Grant in camp and contract worry free, this offense should produce.

However, Capers aside, this D will be BRUTAL. Giving up 24 ppg last season will seem like a good thing compared to what happens this season. In order to have ANY success, Jenkins has to stay healthy all season and produce at DE and since he has'nt shown the ability to do that, how can we expect it? Harrell also has to stay healthy and shown some kind of talent that warrented a 16th first rd pick. Again, it has'nt happend so how can we count on it? Jolly will get convicted (Texas is the wrong state to fuck up in)so anyone counting on him is foolish.

Our LB play was HORRIBLE last season and only a total and complete moron would say any different. In the secondary, Bigby has to stay healthy and Collins still need's to improve. I have little worries about Woodson, Harris and Williams.

Toss a coin with special teams. They can't be any worse than last season.

Thompson must have a strong DEFENSIVE loaded draft. His first few picks will have to show some signs this season of being able to be counted on in year 2 to provide solid support. Without this, Teddy's demise is as good as done.

[Patler]

Hard to give much credence to an argument that:

- calls a guy with 105 NFL starts a "career backup".
- refers to a player who has never been to the Pro Bowl as a a "Pro Bowl" player.
- fails to identify Rodgers as "notable".
- finds fault for signing cheap FAs who are out of the NFL after two years while also finding fault for not re-signing expensive Packer FAs who are out of the NFL after two years.
-finds only "exactly four players...have contributed anything significant to the success of the team" from the likes of Jennings, Collins, Crosby, Hawk, Rodgers, Colledge, Spitz, Jolly, Poppinga, Blackmon, Jones, Nelson, etc. It would seem you could find more than four contributors from among 9 starters, a top punt returner and solid 3rd and 4th receivers.

Who were the victims from TT's, " Firing most of the front office between the 2006-2007 season"? I see very few changes from 2006 to the present in the office staff on the football side (which is all TT is responsible for). Most of the changes seem to be from interns moving out. The player personnel department has been very stable, most having been carried over from the Sherman administration. Who were the people fired?

[LL2]

I predict this thread will live on top of the forum for a while. Let the games begin.

It is the off season. What else is there to do?

[KYPack]

We could make a better, more factual list, right here on PR.

Klemm and O'Dwyer weren't to be the guards. It was Klemm and Wil Whitticker. If the scouts thought Andre Smith ran an ugly 40, can imagine big Wil burnin' a 40 with his shirt off?

Yeah, I, too thought TT should have used a higher pick to get a guard that draft.

But that wasn't the most serious GM gaffe in Packer History or something.

[sharpe1027]

Re: For TT Lovers...

There are some legit gripes in the list, but the one-sided nature of the list and significant gaffes in logic removes most credibility.

Whoever wrote that clearly had an agenda and wasn't trying to objectively view the situation. Cry me a river.