Packers watching orakpo closely

[3irty1]

Orakpo as a OLB strikes me as a Shawne Merriman type, kind of a DE that is slightly miscast as an OLB and shouldn't do much more than pass rush. Great player but not a compliment to Kampman.

Brown could be a good player. He does seem to have the most pass rush moves and looks good as a linebackers but doesn't seem to have NFL explosion as a pass rusher. If he succeeds it will be because he's a good technician. Biggest risk of the top three.

I like Maybin the best. He seems like he could do anything and he's a physical specimen and a fluid athlete. He wasn't quite the pass rusher that the others were in college but he'll have time to develop playing opposite of Kampman.

[The Shadow]

Orakpo as a OLB strikes me as a Shawne Merriman type, kind of a DE that is slightly miscast as an OLB and shouldn't do much more than pass rush. Great player but not a compliment to Kampman.

Brown could be a good player. He does seem to have the most pass rush moves and looks good as a linebackers but doesn't seem to have NFL explosion as a pass rusher. If he succeeds it will be because he's a good technician. Biggest risk of the top three.

I like Maybin the best. He seems like he could do anything and he's a physical specimen and a fluid athlete. He wasn't quite the pass rusher that the others were in college but he'll have time to develop playing opposite of Kampman.

Those words often make me nervous. Vernon Davis and Mike Mamula come to mind.

[3irty1]

Orakpo as a OLB strikes me as a Shawne Merriman type, kind of a DE that is slightly miscast as an OLB and shouldn't do much more than pass rush. Great player but not a compliment to Kampman.

Brown could be a good player. He does seem to have the most pass rush moves and looks good as a linebackers but doesn't seem to have NFL explosion as a pass rusher. If he succeeds it will be because he's a good technician. Biggest risk of the top three.

I like Maybin the best. He seems like he could do anything and he's a physical specimen and a fluid athlete. He wasn't quite the pass rusher that the others were in college but he'll have time to develop playing opposite of Kampman.

Those words often make me nervous. Vernon Davis and Mike Mamula come to mind.

I think that's Michael Johnson in the draft. There's nothing wrong with being a monster if you're also a hard worker and a great character.

[wist43]

Hawk may have had good testing numbers, but if you watched him in college... he looked to me then like he does now, i.e. a decent player, a steady player, but certainly not a difference maker. That is TT's kind of guy... a steady, unspectacular performer. I didn't want Hawk at #5... I signed off on the pick eventually, but only b/c I figured he wouldn't be a bust... which he hasn't been, but then again, he wasn't worth the 5th pick either.

Orakpo is an explosive athelete, has some injury history, and while productive in college, I don't think you can say he is destined for the College Football HOF. Hence, he comes with some risk, but his upside could be huge... definitely not a TT type of pick.

As I said, I fully expect TT to be looking to trade down... if he does stay at 9, OT or maybe WR. BPA is TT's MO... regardless of position, and regardless of need... so the odds are, we're not going to get any help for our defensive front seven from that #9 pick.

[Gunakor]

Orakpo is an explosive athelete, has some injury history, and while productive in college, I don't think you can say he is destined for the College Football HOF. Hence, he comes with some risk, but his upside could be huge... definitely not a TT type of pick.

I think you just accurately described Justin Harrell...

Explosive athelete, productive in college, injury history, comes with risk, upside could be huge. That's Justin Harrell, no?

How is this not a TT type pick again?

[rbaloha1]

Orakpo scares me as a physical specimen that does not live up to the hype.

Tyson Jackson, LSU may be a better pick and an instant starter at de.

[3irty1]

Hawk may have had good testing numbers, but if you watched him in college... he looked to me then like he does now, i.e. a decent player, a steady player, but certainly not a difference maker. That is TT's kind of guy... a steady, unspectacular performer. I didn't want Hawk at #5... I signed off on the pick eventually, but only b/c I figured he wouldn't be a bust... which he hasn't been, but then again, he wasn't worth the 5th pick either.

Orakpo is an explosive athelete, has some injury history, and while productive in college, I don't think you can say he is destined for the College Football HOF. Hence, he comes with some risk, but his upside could be huge... definitely not a TT type of pick.

As I said, I fully expect TT to be looking to trade down... if he does stay at 9, OT or maybe WR. BPA is TT's MO... regardless of position, and regardless of need... so the odds are, we're not going to get any help for our defensive front seven from that #9 pick.

This just isn't based in reality. Was Harrell a steady performer that was picked despite his lack of upside? Nick Collins? Colledge?

[Lurker64]

Tyson Jackson, LSU may be a better pick and an instant starter at de.

3-4 DE is not a premium position, worthy of a top 10 pick. 3-4 WOLB is *the* star big money position in that defense, and it's also a position we have a gaping hole in. Unless some tremendous value slips, we should be looking for a WOLB in that spot.

If Thompson wanted to take a DL with his #1 (and Raji is gone), Ziggy Hood is probably the right pick since he can the NT/DE swing position. Tyson is purely a DE in the 3-4 and isn't really any better suited to it than a guy like Jarron Gilbert, who may well be there for us in the 2nd.

You don't spend top 10 picks on pure 3-4 DEs for similar reasons that you don't spend top 10 positions on Punters. You can get considerable value at the position later, for cheaper, and it's not really that much of an impact position. Tyson Jackson's a good player, but Richard Seymour he ain't, and Seymour's impact is significantly greater since he plays in a 2-gap 3-4 than a guy playing in a 1-gap 3-4 (like Capers is installing).

[wist43]

Hawk may have had good testing numbers, but if you watched him in college... he looked to me then like he does now, i.e. a decent player, a steady player, but certainly not a difference maker. That is TT's kind of guy... a steady, unspectacular performer. I didn't want Hawk at #5... I signed off on the pick eventually, but only b/c I figured he wouldn't be a bust... which he hasn't been, but then again, he wasn't worth the 5th pick either.

Orakpo is an explosive athelete, has some injury history, and while productive in college, I don't think you can say he is destined for the College Football HOF. Hence, he comes with some risk, but his upside could be huge... definitely not a TT type of pick.

As I said, I fully expect TT to be looking to trade down... if he does stay at 9, OT or maybe WR. BPA is TT's MO... regardless of position, and regardless of need... so the odds are, we're not going to get any help for our defensive front seven from that #9 pick.

This just isn't based in reality. Was Harrell a steady performer that was picked despite his lack of upside? Nick Collins? Colledge?

Harrell was just a mornic pick all the way around...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harrell was just a mornic pick all the way around...

Considering his injury history, maybe, but I wouldn't say all the way around. Dude has talent (physical specimen). Let's not forget that he was a high character, team leader at Tennessee. They even gave him Reggie White's number, and I'm not sure they've done that for anybody else. The combination of his physical ability + his leadership at Tennessee, and I just couldn't get too down on the pick at the time.

[Gunakor]

Hawk may have had good testing numbers, but if you watched him in college... he looked to me then like he does now, i.e. a decent player, a steady player, but certainly not a difference maker. That is TT's kind of guy... a steady, unspectacular performer. I didn't want Hawk at #5... I signed off on the pick eventually, but only b/c I figured he wouldn't be a bust... which he hasn't been, but then again, he wasn't worth the 5th pick either.

Orakpo is an explosive athelete, has some injury history, and while productive in college, I don't think you can say he is destined for the College Football HOF. Hence, he comes with some risk, but his upside could be huge... definitely not a TT type of pick.

As I said, I fully expect TT to be looking to trade down... if he does stay at 9, OT or maybe WR. BPA is TT's MO... regardless of position, and regardless of need... so the odds are, we're not going to get any help for our defensive front seven from that #9 pick.

This just isn't based in reality. Was Harrell a steady performer that was picked despite his lack of upside? Nick Collins? Colledge?

Harrell was just a mornic pick all the way around...

So moronic, in fact, that there was a team right behind us licking their chops at the opportunity to draft this guy if we didn't....

While it hasn't worked out, there were many people and many teams involved in that draft that thought Harrell was gonna be a pretty good football player at the NFL level. And you know what? He still might be. It's only been 2 years.

You'd hope to get more out of a first round pick in 2 years time, but if he can get healthy and get back to the form he played at Tennessee in the near future I'll be happy. He was a phenomenal defensive lineman, and we could really use more of those on our football team right now.

[gbpackfan]

Hawk may have had good testing numbers, but if you watched him in college... he looked to me then like he does now, i.e. a decent player, a steady player, but certainly not a difference maker. That is TT's kind of guy... a steady, unspectacular performer. I didn't want Hawk at #5... I signed off on the pick eventually, but only b/c I figured he wouldn't be a bust... which he hasn't been, but then again, he wasn't worth the 5th pick either.

Orakpo is an explosive athelete, has some injury history, and while productive in college, I don't think you can say he is destined for the College Football HOF. Hence, he comes with some risk, but his upside could be huge... definitely not a TT type of pick.

As I said, I fully expect TT to be looking to trade down... if he does stay at 9, OT or maybe WR. BPA is TT's MO... regardless of position, and regardless of need... so the odds are, we're not going to get any help for our defensive front seven from that #9 pick.

This just isn't based in reality. Was Harrell a steady performer that was picked despite his lack of upside? Nick Collins? Colledge?

Harrell was just a mornic pick all the way around...

Sorry, I have to agree with Wist here. Passing on Greg Olson for this turd was a terrible decision. Harrell is a bust. For those of you thinking "this is his year," you need a reality check. But don't worry, you'll get just that in August when he gets injured in training camp.

[Gunakor]

Sorry, I have to agree with Wist here. Passing on Greg Olson for this turd was a terrible decision. Harrell is a bust. For those of you thinking "this is his year" need a reality check. But don't worry, you'll get just that in August when he gets injured in training camp.

See my post above. There were a handful of other teams ready to draft him in the first round if we passed him up. He was a first round prospect. He may turn out to be a bust, but it wasn't like he was drafted unexpectedly in the first round. That's where he was projected to go, and that's where he went. Anyone else not surprised that happened?

[Bretsky]

Sorry, I have to agree with Wist here. Passing on Greg Olson for this turd was a terrible decision. Harrell is a bust. For those of you thinking "this is his year" need a reality check. But don't worry, you'll get just that in August when he gets injured in training camp.

See my post above. There were a handful of other teams ready to draft him in the first round if we passed him up. He was a first round prospect. He may turn out to be a bust, but it wasn't like he was drafted unexpectedly in the first round. That's where he was projected to go, and that's where he went. Anyone else not surprised that happened?

I never heard about a handful of teams. I just heard the Broncos had their eye on three DL they really wanted and traded up to get the 3rd of 3. And two of the three up to this point have been junk.

In reality the Jags were the smart team to steal and extra pick and nab the guy Leaper wanted form the start

[Gunakor]

Sorry, I have to agree with Wist here. Passing on Greg Olson for this turd was a terrible decision. Harrell is a bust. For those of you thinking "this is his year" need a reality check. But don't worry, you'll get just that in August when he gets injured in training camp.

See my post above. There were a handful of other teams ready to draft him in the first round if we passed him up. He was a first round prospect. He may turn out to be a bust, but it wasn't like he was drafted unexpectedly in the first round. That's where he was projected to go, and that's where he went. Anyone else not surprised that happened?

I never heard about a handful of teams. I just heard the Broncos had their eye on three DL they really wanted and traded up to get the 3rd of 3. And two of the three up to this point have been junk.

In reality the Jags were the smart team to steal and extra pick and nab the guy Leaper wanted form the start

You miss the point. Calling him a bust is one thing. Calling him a moronic pick is completely another. Bust means he was a first round projection that didn't turn out, and if anything, that's the fitting description. Moronic pick implies that he was picked out of position. That it was an incredible reach to select him where we did. That wasn't the case. He may end up being a bust, but it wasn't a moronic pick.