Report: Rex Ryan Didn’t Want Favre

[Patler]

Plus, given the choice between starting Brett Favre or Bart Starr at QB at the peak of their respective games, I would take Brett Favre without thinking twice about it. So would Bart Starr.

In part perhaps because Bart Starr is one of the most humble pro athletes you may ever meet.

[sharpe1027]

Perhaps you also misunderstand, I don't think that Favre was that good to begin with. He had a 3 year run where he was real good, prior to that and after that he was loved more for the way he acted when he played the game, than his actual on field performance.

No, I did not understand. I did not realize that you were actually saying Favre was not that good, rather than trying to say Majik was good. I guess your original statement could be taken either way, but I honestly think you had more credibility with the former position.

I think you understate how good Favre was for 3 years and then use that to skew how good/bad he was in other years. Your personal rating system aside, Favre will be a first ballot HoFer. There is an element of popularity to it, but I am pretty sure that there will be a resounding consensus from people who know their sports. I don't feel the need to debate whether or not he was that good to begin with. I am sure that you have your reasons and I am sure that they have a logical basis. Let's just agree to disagree.

[Fritz]

Since someone threw out Majkowski's name, let me share another name - one who has been one of my favorite GB QB's of the last thirty years: Lynn Dickey. He had only one 4,000 yard season ('83) and led his team to only one playoff appearance ('82), but despite these meager stats and his immobility he was one of my favorites.

If you look at his stats, he doesn't seem terribly impressive, but he had a rocket arm and was a smart QB. Starr actually built a nice offense that playoff year and the next - unfortunately, his defenses were like sluts - everybody scored! I'll never forget that damn Dallas playoff game in '82. Dickey would throw a T.D. pass to Lofton or Jefferson or whoever it was, maybe Coffman was the T.E. back then, I don't quite recall - but then Dallas would go down the field like there was no defense there at all. It was awful.

But I always liked Dickey. I think he was a better QB than Majik, though not in Starr's or Favre's league. In his defense, though, he was in the top ten in number of times sacked about five or six times in his Packer career - though that may also have been partly due to his immobility.

I just liked Lynn Dickey, though. Gutsy guy. Good arm, smart.

[Patler]

Majkowski .... How he might have grown or developed is anyone's guess

That's about all you can say about it.

That's about all I DID say about it.

[Patler]

Since someone threw out Majkowski's name, let me share another name - one who has been one of my favorite GB QB's of the last thirty years: Lynn Dickey. He had only one 4,000 yard season ('83) and led his team to only one playoff appearance ('82), but despite these meager stats and his immobility he was one of my favorites.

If you look at his stats, he doesn't seem terribly impressive, but he had a rocket arm and was a smart QB. Starr actually built a nice offense that playoff year and the next - unfortunately, his defenses were like sluts - everybody scored! I'll never forget that damn Dallas playoff game in '82. Dickey would throw a T.D. pass to Lofton or Jefferson or whoever it was, maybe Coffman was the T.E. back then, I don't quite recall - but then Dallas would go down the field like there was no defense there at all. It was awful.

But I always liked Dickey. I think he was a better QB than Majik, though not in Starr's or Favre's league. In his defense, though, he was in the top ten in number of times sacked about five or six times in his Packer career - though that may also have been partly due to his immobility.

I just liked Lynn Dickey, though. Gutsy guy. Good arm, smart.

I liked Dickey too. A real "old school" QB who would stand there, make the throw without so much as a flinch, and then get absolutely annihilated by lineman who were allowed to "follow through" and hit the QB long after he released. Dickey had enough mobility to drop straight back, that was about it. The D-line knew exactly where to find him!

He was a tough son-of-gun.

[Fritz]

I think some of his immobility came from leg injuries suffered in Houston early on in his career.

It was a different day - you could roll right into the QB, you could slam his after he'd released - had he played today, with these rules protecting the QB, he might've had much better stats.

He threw his share of interceptions, too, but again, he stood in the pocket a long time and if I recall correctly early in his Packer career he didn't have too many receivers to throw to - until Lofton showed up, I think.

[mraynrand]

Lynn Dickey threw a beautiful deep ball. He was an accurate passer in my recollection. I'll never forget some of those great games of '83 - the victory over the Redskins, the loss to Atlanta in OT. Absolute shootouts because Dickey that year with Jefferson, Coffman, and Lofton could score on any play - AND YOU KNEW THAT SCHNELKER WOULD CALL THE REVERSE TO LOFTON!!!

[Merlin]

Favre = overrated.


Big numbers over long career (moon/marino). Same number of rings as Dilfer and Brad Johnson.

Sure was fun to watch though, during his prime (and even in 2007). You have to give him that.

I much prefer nice old boring championships.

I really only remember the last 17 years or so really well (Favre era) and I haven't seen many of those in GB over the last couple decades. I'd be happy as hell to win some good, old fashioned, boring championships. Hopefully Rodgers brings some consistent (not game losing INT) football.

This is just ridiculous. Rodgers already cost us games, he threw a game ending int, get over yourself already. We get it, you think the entire Favre era sucked and the Packers were never a good team with Favre, but magically now without him we are the bomb. You need a strong dose of reality, starting with your horrible nickname.

[Partial]

LOL, JustinHarrell you're such a joke. It's almost comical. Game losing interceptions and inconsistent play?!? Well, so far we've taken a top 4 team with that shitty QB and took away him, and an evidently "Average" DT according to the people on the board and suddenly we were bottom of the barrel, one of the worst teams in the NFL.

Imagine how poor our record would have been if we weren't in a division with the all-time worst team. We'd probably be 5-11 at best in any other division in the NFL. Playing in a competitive division we'd look like Detroit..

From your love on Hawkins, to Davis, to James Hardy, to now Everette Brown, you've shown time and time again your ability to grade and rate a football player is a little off to say the least.

[Lurker64]

From your love on Hawkins, to Davis, to James Hardy, to now Everette Brown, you've shown time and time again your ability to grade and rate a football player is a little off to say the least.

Now, there's nothing wrong with the pot calling the kettle black if it is, in fact, black (and it is), but I just have two words to say here: Vince Young.

Everybody is wrong about their evaluations of players, here or there, and even frequently. JH is, I am, you are, we all are. Professional talent evaluators are as well, based on the fact that "busts in the draft exist". But "you were wrong about x" isn't necessarily an indictment about your opinions on z, y, and w.

[Partial]

uh... Vince Young has taken a shitty team to the playoffs. The jury is far from out of VY. Dude has accomplished plenty of things that a fair amount of quarterbacks never do.

[Lurker64]

uh... Vince Young has taken a shitty team to the playoffs.

Coincidentally, the same shitty team that Kerry Collins guided to home field advantage throughout the playoffs...

[Partial]

What a surprised that a team picking 3rd in the draft, had a decent first year with Young as a starter, then went to the playoffs, then went to the playoffs again the next year. It's called young players growing.

I don't think anyone can deny that he has had success as the starting quarterback of the team.

Anyway, this thread is about Favre, and the comment was about how JustinHarrell has no idea what the F he is talking about in his assessment of Favre.

Stupid interceptions? I guess Elway must have been a dumb quarterback as well. Elway only won two super bowls compared to one. I don't see that as a huge difference either.

Peyton Manning must be known for dumb interceptions too, since he pass to int ratio is great, just like Favres. He also must be a horrible quarterback since he only won one superbowl, like Favre.

You're assessment is a biased joke, Harrell.

[Bossman641]

uh... Vince Young has taken a shitty team to the playoffs. The jury is far from out of VY. Dude has accomplished plenty of things that a fair amount of quarterbacks never do.

MUST RESIST URGE TO GET SUCKED INTO PARTIAL'S STUPID VINCE YOUNG ARGUMENTS AGAIN.

[Freak Out]

Since someone threw out Majkowski's name, let me share another name - one who has been one of my favorite GB QB's of the last thirty years: Lynn Dickey. He had only one 4,000 yard season ('83) and led his team to only one playoff appearance ('82), but despite these meager stats and his immobility he was one of my favorites.

If you look at his stats, he doesn't seem terribly impressive, but he had a rocket arm and was a smart QB. Starr actually built a nice offense that playoff year and the next - unfortunately, his defenses were like sluts - everybody scored! I'll never forget that damn Dallas playoff game in '82. Dickey would throw a T.D. pass to Lofton or Jefferson or whoever it was, maybe Coffman was the T.E. back then, I don't quite recall - but then Dallas would go down the field like there was no defense there at all. It was awful.

But I always liked Dickey. I think he was a better QB than Majik, though not in Starr's or Favre's league. In his defense, though, he was in the top ten in number of times sacked about five or six times in his Packer career - though that may also have been partly due to his immobility.

I just liked Lynn Dickey, though. Gutsy guy. Good arm, smart.

I loved watching Dickey and the Packers...with a half assed D he would have taken them to the Playoffs every year....that is if he was still standing.

One of my favorite games was the MNF game against Denver when we lost two fumbles in the first 14 seconds and still almost won.