Report: Rex Ryan Didn’t Want Favre

[AtlPackFan]

Since someone threw out Majkowski's name, let me share another name - one who has been one of my favorite GB QB's of the last thirty years: Lynn Dickey. He had only one 4,000 yard season ('83) and led his team to only one playoff appearance ('82), but despite these meager stats and his immobility he was one of my favorites.

If you look at his stats, he doesn't seem terribly impressive, but he had a rocket arm and was a smart QB. Starr actually built a nice offense that playoff year and the next - unfortunately, his defenses were like sluts - everybody scored! I'll never forget that damn Dallas playoff game in '82. Dickey would throw a T.D. pass to Lofton or Jefferson or whoever it was, maybe Coffman was the T.E. back then, I don't quite recall - but then Dallas would go down the field like there was no defense there at all. It was awful.

But I always liked Dickey. I think he was a better QB than Majik, though not in Starr's or Favre's league. In his defense, though, he was in the top ten in number of times sacked about five or six times in his Packer career - though that may also have been partly due to his immobility.

I just liked Lynn Dickey, though. Gutsy guy. Good arm, smart.

I loved watching Dickey and the Packers...with a half assed D he would have taken them to the Playoffs every year....that is if he was still standing.

One of my favorite games was the MNF game against Denver when we lost two fumbles in the first 14 seconds and still almost won.

If I remember correctly, they didn't have much of a running game back then either.

[Freak Out]

Since someone threw out Majkowski's name, let me share another name - one who has been one of my favorite GB QB's of the last thirty years: Lynn Dickey. He had only one 4,000 yard season ('83) and led his team to only one playoff appearance ('82), but despite these meager stats and his immobility he was one of my favorites.

If you look at his stats, he doesn't seem terribly impressive, but he had a rocket arm and was a smart QB. Starr actually built a nice offense that playoff year and the next - unfortunately, his defenses were like sluts - everybody scored! I'll never forget that damn Dallas playoff game in '82. Dickey would throw a T.D. pass to Lofton or Jefferson or whoever it was, maybe Coffman was the T.E. back then, I don't quite recall - but then Dallas would go down the field like there was no defense there at all. It was awful.

But I always liked Dickey. I think he was a better QB than Majik, though not in Starr's or Favre's league. In his defense, though, he was in the top ten in number of times sacked about five or six times in his Packer career - though that may also have been partly due to his immobility.

I just liked Lynn Dickey, though. Gutsy guy. Good arm, smart.

I loved watching Dickey and the Packers...with a half assed D he would have taken them to the Playoffs every year....that is if he was still standing.

One of my favorite games was the MNF game against Denver when we lost two fumbles in the first 14 seconds and still almost won.

If I remember correctly, they didn't have much of a running game back then either.

I don't think it was that bad...good enough to compliment the passing game effectively...but the D sure stunk. Ellis and Ivery did fine in tandem.

[Freak Out]

Didn't Harlan Huckleby play then as well?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The big difference was that Rodgers took over a team used to winning. Don took over a team that hadn't done much in two decades. He represented hope at the QB position, something the team hadn't seen in a very long time. Dickey flashed a little too, but that very long ago by that point. Rodgers wasn't much more than changing a tire on the car, not much really changed.

Took over a team used to winning? The team Arod took over was a young team...that was by no means use to winning. Most of the line..not used to winning. Tight end..not use to winning. WRs with the exception of DD..not use to winning. Running backs...not use to winning...some not even in college.

But, what about the organization...had TT experienced winning here. No. MM certainly wasn't use to winning/success as a coach in GB or ANYWHERE else.

Simply putting on the green and gold doesn't make you used to success...if that was the case we should kicked ass during the 70s and 80s.

You have a very interesting take. If you want to argue that there were attitudinal or institutional inherencies that is one thing. But, the simple fact is that while the pack wasn't very good prior to Majik..they were at least average..as evidenced by their 5 consecutive years of 500 or slightly better from 81-85.

To make a comparison of Arod to a tire is absurd. If the packers are the car..then arod like brett is the driver. Tires are relatively simple pieces of equipment..and by experience, finding a new tire for an NFL franchise isn't as simple as going to discount tire or looking for a used tire.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Lynn Dickey threw a beautiful deep ball. He was an accurate passer in my recollection. I'll never forget some of those great games of '83 - the victory over the Redskins, the loss to Atlanta in OT. Absolute shootouts because Dickey that year with Jefferson, Coffman, and Lofton could score on any play - AND YOU KNEW THAT SCHNELKER WOULD CALL THE REVERSE TO LOFTON!!!

The reverse was a key component of our "high tech" offense.

It is kinda sad that i can look back fondly at Schnelker....that just proves how bad our previous offensive coordinators were.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Didn't Harlan Huckleby play then as well?

Yep, along with a boy named Vickey!

[cpk1994]

What a surprised that a team picking 3rd in the draft, had a decent first year with Young as a starter, then went to the playoffs, then went to the playoffs again the next year. It's called young players growing.

I don't think anyone can deny that he has had success as the starting quarterback of the team.

I find it hypocritical that you use this argument about Young while passing absolute judgement on Rodgers.

Anyway, this thread is about Favre, and the comment was about how JustinHarrell has no idea what the F he is talking about in his assessment of Favre.

Stupid interceptions? I guess Elway must have been a dumb quarterback as well. Elway only won two super bowls compared to one. I don't see that as a huge difference either.

Peyton Manning must be known for dumb interceptions too, since he pass to int ratio is great, just like Favres. He also must be a horrible quarterback since he only won one superbowl, like Favre.

You're assessment is a biased joke, Harrell.

Coming from someone who has biased arguments against Rodgers, talk about pot calling kettle.

[prsnfoto]

Favre = overrated.


Big numbers over long career (moon/marino). Same number of rings as Dilfer and Brad Johnson.

Easily the most stupid poster in this forum, let us all know how Sal Pal's ass is the next time you go there, second thought don't you've made me sick enough today. MORON!!!!

[KYPack]

Imagine how poor our record would have been if we weren't in a division with the all-time worst team. We'd probably be 5-11 at best in any other division in the NFL. Playing in a competitive division we'd look like Detroit..

We may well have won the West in either conference. Seeing as the NFC's rep in the SB was from the West, maybe we were a Super Bowl team in disguise!

[Partial]

What a surprised that a team picking 3rd in the draft, had a decent first year with Young as a starter, then went to the playoffs, then went to the playoffs again the next year. It's called young players growing.

I don't think anyone can deny that he has had success as the starting quarterback of the team.

I find it hypocritical that you use this argument about Young while passing absolute judgement on Rodgers.

Rodgers took a team with ample young talent that was championship caliber last year, and took them nowhere. The Titans improved over 3 years. The Packers did their improvement over two years, than massively regressed.

As for young players, Rodgers is entering his 5th year. Not exactly a young player.

As Cassell showed us this year, spending time in the NFL learning from the sidelines and molding your body is just as important as starting time. Rodgers probably is what he is.

[/quote]

Anyway, this thread is about Favre, and the comment was about how JustinHarrell has no idea what the F he is talking about in his assessment of Favre.

Stupid interceptions? I guess Elway must have been a dumb quarterback as well. Elway only won two super bowls compared to one. I don't see that as a huge difference either.

Peyton Manning must be known for dumb interceptions too, since he pass to int ratio is great, just like Favres. He also must be a horrible quarterback since he only won one superbowl, like Favre.

You're assessment is a biased joke, Harrell.

Coming from someone who has biased arguments against Rodgers, talk about pot calling kettle.[/quote]

???

I am extremely fair in my assessment of Rodgers, far more so than most here. He's an average QB right now. Maybe slightly above average. By my assessment, if I'm looking to win a game today, there are 12 guys I'm putting on my time above him. Thats squarely in the average zone.

Rodgers was not a second half quarterback last year, and it showed. He threw several picks in crunch time, but most importantly, he failed to sustain drives in the second half of games despite immense talent.

Some games he was great. Many games he was okay. Some games we was piss poor. He's extremely inconsistent, which is why its ironic that Harrell would make an assessment like he has.

Consistency is king in the NFL, and until Rodgers moves his truly awful games to the average tier, he'll never be more than what he is. NFL teams need touchdowns to score, and he had 3 games last year where simply having an average day would have been enough to get the job done.

[Bossman641]

Partial,

Two quick questions

Where do you place the blame for last year's record? I want it broken down only between offense, defense, and special teams (i.e. 33%, 33%, 33%) with coaching taken into effect.

You really think Rodgers is what he is? And will only marginally improve, if at all?

[Partial]

There isn't a number for something like that. The offense was really abyssmal in the Tenn, Minne, Jax section of the season. All three of those games were horrendous offensively.

There were some horrendous defensive and special teams performances as well.

Yes, Rodger is what he is imo. What would lead anyone to believe that he isn't? He's not a young kid anymore. He was definitely better earlier in the year before teams had tape on him. Once they had enough content to watch and grab his tendencies from, he wasn't nearly as effective.

Physically, he'll get a little better. Defenses are going to get smarter and have more tape to study of him and that will probably be neutralized as a result.

[Bossman641]

There isn't a number for something like that. The offense was really abyssmal in the Tenn, Minne, Jax section of the season. All three of those games were horrendous offensively.

There were some horrendous defensive and special teams performances as well.

Please just try. Because based on how you go on and on about Rodgers and the offense you would lead me to believe yours is about 60, 20, 20 (O, D, ST)

Yes, Rodger is what he is imo. What would lead anyone to believe that he isn't?

The fact that he was a first-time starter, will have better recognition skills, probably will make better pre-snap reads, and will have past experience to fall back on. That's generally how it works.

He's not a young kid anymore. He was definitely better earlier in the year before teams had tape on him. Once they had enough content to watch and grab his tendencies from, he wasn't nearly as effective.

Based on what? Partial's imaginary grading scale? I suggest you pull up a game-log and look at the last 4-5 games of the year.

Physically, he'll get a little better. Defenses are going to get smarter and have more tape to study of him and that will probably be neutralized as a result.

Defenses will have more to go off. Rodgers will also have more to go off.

[Patler]

Yes, Rodger is what he is imo. What would lead anyone to believe that he isn't? He's not a young kid anymore.

Just curious, are you aware of the fact that Rodgers is younger than Cutler?

[Patler]

Yes, Rodger is what he is imo. What would lead anyone to believe that he isn't? He's not a young kid anymore.

Just curious, are you aware of the fact that Rodgers is younger than Cutler?

Just to follow up on that with a few more comparisons:

Rodgers is also 2 years younger than Jason Campbell and Phillip Rivers, a year+ younger than Cassel & Orton, and younger than Dereck Anderson, Kellen Clemens and Tarvaris Jackson. He is less than a year older than Brady Quinn, only a year older than Flacco, and a year and a half older than Matt Ryan.

Are there no young QBs in the NFL???