Brady Quinn a Bronco?! Cutler a Lion?

[SMACKTALKIE]

finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.

What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.

Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.

I don't think anyone knows that for sure at all. A trade could involve future picks (2010) and or players. If the Broncos were interested in Kevin Williams why would'nt they be interested in Tommie Harris?

[Dabaddestbear]

finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.

What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.

I give you one better, WHY would they be interested in any other option that YOU think they may have?
Ask all of the football minds that get paid to do this why THEY think the Broncos want Orton. Maybe because he has the best starting career of the other QB's on the teams mentioned. Maybe cuz he has proven he can win games.

I am not making anything up. Just stating facts that have already been reported.

[Dabaddestbear]

finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.

What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.

Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.

I don't think anyone knows that for sure at all. A trade could involve future picks (2010) and or players. If the Broncos were interested in Kevin Williams why would'nt they be interested in Tommie Harris?

I have heard Harris name being tossed around in talks on radio and online, but who knows. I think of Cleveland being in the talks, but only as a 3rd party breaking the deal which may include Tampa Bay more so than the Bears.
I do know that the if you are getting rid of a disgruntled player you will hope to place him in a place where he is least likely to come back and haunt you, meaning outside of your Division entirely. So to send him to the NFC I am sure is his choice ala Favre to the AFC...and you all do know that Favre and Cutler has the same agent.

[Bossman641]

finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.

What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.

I give you one better, WHY would they be interested in any other option that YOU think they may have?
Ask all of the football minds that get paid to do this why THEY think the Broncos want Orton. Maybe because he has the best starting career of the other QB's on the teams mentioned. Maybe cuz he has proven he can win games.

I am not making anything up. Just stating facts that have already been reported.

Orton has proven he can get carried by good defenses and grow a hideous neckbeard.

[Dabaddestbear]

finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.

What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.

I give you one better, WHY would they be interested in any other option that YOU think they may have?
Ask all of the football minds that get paid to do this why THEY think the Broncos want Orton. Maybe because he has the best starting career of the other QB's on the teams mentioned. Maybe cuz he has proven he can win games.

I am not making anything up. Just stating facts that have already been reported.

Orton has proven he can get carried by good defenses and grow a hideous neckbeard.

Early in the season the Bears defense was horrible and it was Orton that won the games, as a matter of fact Orton won most of the games last year. I think the defense won one!

And hey, I have a problem growing a neckbeard, so gives me a reason to look up to him...he's my hero!

[Patler]

Re: Brady Quinn a Bronco?! Cutler a Lion?

ESPN's John Clayton says there's a "decent chance" that Brady Quinn will be a Bronco once the Jay Cutler situation is resolved.

"I'd have to think things start to broker through Cleveland, possibly involving the Detroit Lions," Clayton said. The Broncos are reportedly hoping to deal Cutler to an NFC team. A Detroit-Cleveland-Denver three-way deal makes plenty of sense, with the Lions getting Cutler and Browns getting picks.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

On its face this makes some sense, but not so much when you really think about it. For Cleveland to be willing to do that they would have to be convinced of at least one of two things:

1. That Derek Anderson is the real deal, so they will not need Quinn. I find that hard to believe at this stage of Anderson's career, and after what he showed in 2008.

or

2. That Brady Quinn will never be the real deal, so trading him doesn't matter, even if Anderson ultimately fails. I find that equally hard to believe at this stage of Quinn's career.

Maybe they will be willing to make that decision after camp, or part way into the 2009 season. I will be surprised if they are prepared to make that decision right now.

[Bossman641]

Re: Brady Quinn a Bronco?! Cutler a Lion?

ESPN's John Clayton says there's a "decent chance" that Brady Quinn will be a Bronco once the Jay Cutler situation is resolved.

"I'd have to think things start to broker through Cleveland, possibly involving the Detroit Lions," Clayton said. The Broncos are reportedly hoping to deal Cutler to an NFC team. A Detroit-Cleveland-Denver three-way deal makes plenty of sense, with the Lions getting Cutler and Browns getting picks.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

On its face this makes some sense, but not so much when you really think about it. For Cleveland to be willing to do that they would have to be convinced of at least one of two things:

1. That Derek Anderson is the real deal, so they will not need Quinn. I find that hard to believe at this stage of Anderson's career, and after what he showed in 2008.

or

2. That Brady Quinn will never be the real deal, so trading him doesn't matter, even if Anderson ultimately fails. I find that equally hard to believe at this stage of Quinn's career.

Maybe they will be willing to make that decision after camp, or part way into the 2009 season. I will be surprised if they are prepared to make that decision right now.

I dunno. I could definitely see the Browns going after Cutler. Mangini is said to not be a big fan of Quinn, and won't feel the attachment to him the previous regime did.

[Lurker64]

Patler-

I think the thing is though that Cleveland is one of the teams that anybody offering a package to Denver that does not include either a solid starting QB or a top 10 pick needs to go through. So if Minnesota, Tampa, Chicago, or the Jets want Cutler, they have to work out some deal via Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't necessarily have any good reason to give up or endorse either one of their QBs at this point, but it's plausible that one of those teams could make an offer to Cleveland that they couldn't refuse.

The only teams, IMO, that are capable of working out a 2-team deal at this point are: San Francisco, Seattle, Jacksonville, Washington, Philadelphia, and maybe Tennessee if the Broncos can be convinced that Vince Young could be their starter. Everybody else needs to go through Cleveland.

[Patler]

Re: Brady Quinn a Bronco?! Cutler a Lion?

I dunno. I could definitely see the Browns going after Cutler. Mangini is said to not be a big fan of Quinn, and won't feel the attachment to him the previous regime did.

But in the proposed arrangement, the Browns don't get Cutler. Cutler goes to Detroit, Quinn to Denver and draft picks from Detroit to Cleveland. A trade directly between the Browns and Denver would make more sense, and I could see that happening, probably with a draft pick and Quinn going to Denver and Cutler to the Browns.

[Patler]

Patler-

I think the thing is though that Cleveland is one of the teams that anybody offering a package to Denver that does not include either a solid starting QB or a top 10 pick needs to go through. So if Minnesota, Tampa, Chicago, or the Jets want Cutler, they have to work out some deal via Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't necessarily have any good reason to give up or endorse either one of their QBs at this point, but it's plausible that one of those teams could make an offer to Cleveland that they couldn't refuse.

The only teams, IMO, that are capable of working out a 2-team deal at this point are: San Francisco, Seattle, Jacksonville, Washington, Philadelphia, and maybe Tennessee if the Broncos can be convinced that Vince Young could be their starter. Everybody else needs to go through Cleveland.

But what is Cleveland's motivation to do a 3 team deal? I could see a direct deal between Cleveland and Denver; with either Quinn or Anderson to Denver with a draft pick maybe. If Cleveland were to get Cutler, they could perhaps trade both Quinn and Anderson, one to Denver and the other in a separate deal.

[Lurker64]

Re: Brady Quinn a Bronco?! Cutler a Lion?

But in the proposed arrangement, the Browns don't get Cutler. Cutler goes to Detroit, Quinn to Denver and draft picks from Detroit to Cleveland. A trade directly between the Browns and Denver would make more sense, and I could see that happening, probably with a draft pick and Quinn going to Denver and Cutler to the Browns.

Yeah, in order for Detroit to make it worth Cleveland's while to give up Quinn and not receive a QB in return, they're going to have to ship off a truckload of picks, because other than "draft picks" and "Calvin Johnson" (maybe Ernie Sims, considering how bad the LBs are in Cleveland), I don't think Detroit has anything that Cleveland will want.

Cleveland sending Quinn and picks to Denver for Cutler seems much cleaner, and simpler. But the Browns should be licking their lips and scouring the rosters of teams like the Vikings, Bears, Jets, and Bucs for players they'd like to have, since all of those teams need a QB and none of those teams have the ammo to get Cutler without Cleveland's participation (the Lions might need Cleveland as well, since Denver won't want #1 overall and #20 isn't enough for Cutler.)

[pack4to84]

finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.

What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.

I give you one better, WHY would they be interested in any other option that YOU think they may have?
Ask all of the football minds that get paid to do this why THEY think the Broncos want Orton. Maybe because he has the best starting career of the other QB's on the teams mentioned. Maybe cuz he has proven he can win games.

I am not making anything up. Just stating facts that have already been reported.

Orton has proven he can get carried by good defenses and grow a hideous neckbeard.

Early in the season the Bears defense was horrible and it was Orton that won the games, as a matter of fact Orton won most of the games last year. I think the defense won one!

And hey, I have a problem growing a neckbeard, so gives me a reason to look up to him...he's my hero!

I watched every bear game that wasn't on at the same time as the Packers. So I can say Dabaddestbear is right that Orton carried the bears last season. In fact he did so with less talent then what Cutler has and the bears finish with a better record. If I was the GM of the bears I would rather have better WR's then trade for Cutler who turns the ball over like aka Sexy Rex. Bears D finish below the Packers and the Packers record is do to poor Defense. 7 game either winning or tied with 3min to play only to lose. Bears lost 3 games when winning in the 4th quarter.

[Bossman641]

Re: Brady Quinn a Bronco?! Cutler a Lion?

I dunno. I could definitely see the Browns going after Cutler. Mangini is said to not be a big fan of Quinn, and won't feel the attachment to him the previous regime did.

But in the proposed arrangement, the Browns don't get Cutler. Cutler goes to Detroit, Quinn to Denver and draft picks from Detroit to Cleveland. A trade directly between the Browns and Denver would make more sense, and I could see that happening, probably with a draft pick and Quinn going to Denver and Cutler to the Browns.

Ah, gotcha. I was thinking of the Browns in just a 2 team deal. Agree that somebody would have to really blow the Browns away with an offer in order for them to jump in and help complete the deal.

[Bossman641]

The only teams, IMO, that are capable of working out a 2-team deal at this point are: San Francisco, Seattle, Jacksonville, Washington, Philadelphia, and maybe Tennessee if the Broncos can be convinced that Vince Young could be their starter. Everybody else needs to go through Cleveland.

Partial can be in Denver tomorrow. Secure the plane ticket.

[Lurker64]

But what is Cleveland's motivation to do a 3 team deal? I could see a direct deal between Cleveland and Denver; with either Quinn or Anderson to Denver with a draft pick maybe. If Cleveland were to get Cutler, they could perhaps trade both Quinn and Anderson, one to Denver and the other in a separate deal.

If the reports are true that the new boss in Cleveland is not high on Quinn, and they were offered a deal that netted them some quality players and a bunch of draft picks in exchange for giving up Quinn, I could very much see that as being in their interest. Particularly if Cutler would end up going to Detroit, so Detroit would not pick Stafford, which makes it possible for Stafford to fall all the way to #5 where Cleveland could take him.

Since Cleveland does have two QBs who could start this year, it is entirely likely that there's a collection of picks and players that would get them to give up Quinn. If Minnesota offered Cleveland Kevin Williams and #22 in the draft to Cleveland for Quinn, I think they would probably take it.