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  • #46
    Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
    I think Cutler is easiest the in the top 5 as a QB in the NFL and his skill set is just crazy!! That being said, his behavior right now scares me.

    The Bears have Graham playing behind Vasher, and he actually took over for Vasher and outplayed him last year. They were entertaining the idea of also signing Ken Lucas, but I guess they wasn't impressed after his recent visit.
    Top 5? Wow, that some rarefied air. Some of these guys might have something to say about it:

    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Drew Brees
    Tony Romo
    Carson Palmer
    Ben R

    And I'd likely put him behind these guys, although a few are arguable, mostly due to age:

    Phillip Rivers
    Donovan McNabb
    Marc Bulger
    Eli Manning
    Kurt Warner
    Matt Ryan

    I might even add Schaub and Hasselbeck to the list.

    So, I'd roughly rank him 12-14. Not a sniff of top 5 for him!

    ps I'm staying away from the obvious homerism of adding Rodgers to the list, but honestly, right now, I'd rather have him than Cutler.
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    Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Guiness
      Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
      I think Cutler is easiest the in the top 5 as a QB in the NFL and his skill set is just crazy!! That being said, his behavior right now scares me.

      The Bears have Graham playing behind Vasher, and he actually took over for Vasher and outplayed him last year. They were entertaining the idea of also signing Ken Lucas, but I guess they wasn't impressed after his recent visit.
      Top 5? Wow, that some rarefied air. Some of these guys might have something to say about it:

      Peyton Manning
      Tom Brady
      Drew Brees
      Tony Romo
      Carson Palmer
      Ben R

      And I'd likely put him behind these guys, although a few are arguable, mostly due to age:

      Phillip Rivers
      Donovan McNabb
      Marc Bulger
      Eli Manning
      Kurt Warner
      Matt Ryan

      I might even add Schaub and Hasselbeck to the list.

      So, I'd roughly rank him 12-14. Not a sniff of top 5 for him!

      ps I'm staying away from the obvious homerism of adding Rodgers to the list, but honestly, right now, I'd rather have him than Cutler.
      You not serious with some on that list are you?
      He is worse than Manning, Ryan, Bulger, Palmer, Romo, Schaub, Rivers Hasselbeck?
      Have you even seen him play? The guy puts the ball where only elite QB's can.
      Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, and maybe Mcnabb(although most come from dump offs to Westbrook) is the only ones I would rank above him. Man you have to know better than to post something like that.

      And we talking about skill set here. His leadership skills may not be the best of the group, but the guy is super accurate and has a strong arm.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
        Originally posted by Guiness
        Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
        I think Cutler is easiest the in the top 5 as a QB in the NFL and his skill set is just crazy!! That being said, his behavior right now scares me.

        The Bears have Graham playing behind Vasher, and he actually took over for Vasher and outplayed him last year. They were entertaining the idea of also signing Ken Lucas, but I guess they wasn't impressed after his recent visit.
        Top 5? Wow, that some rarefied air. Some of these guys might have something to say about it:

        Peyton Manning
        Tom Brady
        Drew Brees
        Tony Romo
        Carson Palmer
        Ben R

        And I'd likely put him behind these guys, although a few are arguable, mostly due to age:

        Phillip Rivers
        Donovan McNabb
        Marc Bulger
        Eli Manning
        Kurt Warner
        Matt Ryan

        I might even add Schaub and Hasselbeck to the list.

        So, I'd roughly rank him 12-14. Not a sniff of top 5 for him!

        ps I'm staying away from the obvious homerism of adding Rodgers to the list, but honestly, right now, I'd rather have him than Cutler.
        You not serious with some on that list are you?
        He is worse than Manning, Ryan, Bulger, Palmer, Romo, Schaub, Rivers Hasselbeck?
        Have you even seen him play? The guy puts the ball where only elite QB's can.
        Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, and maybe Mcnabb(although most come from dump offs to Westbrook) is the only ones I would rank above him. Man you have to know better than to post something like that.

        And we talking about skill set here. His leadership skills may not be the best of the group, but the guy is super accurate and has a strong arm.
        If you're talking about skill set alone, I'm out of the conversation. I'm talking about who I'd rather have under center on my team. If you are looking at skill set alone, then Jeff George is indeed your guy. I don't know who in the current NFL. I guess whoever it was who threw the ball through the goalposts from his knees on the 50yd line.
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        Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...

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        • #49
          You could read into this and say the NFC north is as active as anyone. (all three teams)


          Broncos Flooded With Cutler Inquiries
          Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 2:45 p.m. EDT

          The Denver Broncos reportedly are getting plenty of interest in quarterback Jay Cutler.

          The interest is so intense that, according to Mike Mulligan of the Chicago Sun-Times, the Broncos are requesting communications only by text or e-mail.

          “Nobody can get a call back,” one league source told Mulligan. ”It could mean something’s happening fast, or maybe they’re just overwhelmed.”

          Mulligan also echoes the notion that the Broncos want to send Cutler to the NFC, just as the Packers wanted to ship Brett Favre out of the conference last year.

          If it’s true that the Broncos are flooded with potential suitors from either conference, a valuable byproduct is that the activity has, to date, kept the team from continuing the ill-advised pissing match with Cutler over the question of whether he failed to return phone calls.

          In fact, the Broncos would be wise to say nothing at all about the situation until the trade is announced.

          Then again, they would have been wise to say nothing at any point in the process, other than, “Jay Cutler is our quarterback.”

          So, basically, coach Josh McDaniels apparently didn’t learn all that much during his years with Bill Belichick.
          Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
            Originally posted by Gunakor
            Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
            Chicago Bears: The No. 18 and No. 84 overall picks, cornerback Nathan Vasher and quarterback Kyle Orton. The Bears could get this done without including a third team. -- Kevin Seifert
            Interesting. Yes, that would probably get it done for the Bears, but ask yourself... If you were the Bears GM, would you trade away that much to get Cutler? Orton AND Vasher, in addition to your #1 AND #3 draft picks? As much as I think Cutler could be a great asset to the Bears, I don't know if I'd be entertaining the idea of giving up so much to get him.

            Who do the Bears have behind Vasher on the depth chart right now?
            I think Cutler is easiest the in the top 5 as a QB in the NFL and his skill set is just crazy!! That being said, his behavior right now scares me.

            The Bears have Graham playing behind Vasher, and he actually took over for Vasher and outplayed him last year. They were entertaining the idea of also signing Ken Lucas, but I guess they wasn't impressed after his recent visit.
            If his behavior scares you now, what do you think he will be like after you give up that much just for him?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Guiness
              Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
              Originally posted by Guiness
              Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
              I think Cutler is easiest the in the top 5 as a QB in the NFL and his skill set is just crazy!! That being said, his behavior right now scares me.

              The Bears have Graham playing behind Vasher, and he actually took over for Vasher and outplayed him last year. They were entertaining the idea of also signing Ken Lucas, but I guess they wasn't impressed after his recent visit.
              Top 5? Wow, that some rarefied air. Some of these guys might have something to say about it:

              Peyton Manning
              Tom Brady
              Drew Brees
              Tony Romo
              Carson Palmer
              Ben R

              And I'd likely put him behind these guys, although a few are arguable, mostly due to age:

              Phillip Rivers
              Donovan McNabb
              Marc Bulger
              Eli Manning
              Kurt Warner
              Matt Ryan

              I might even add Schaub and Hasselbeck to the list.

              So, I'd roughly rank him 12-14. Not a sniff of top 5 for him!

              ps I'm staying away from the obvious homerism of adding Rodgers to the list, but honestly, right now, I'd rather have him than Cutler.
              You not serious with some on that list are you?
              He is worse than Manning, Ryan, Bulger, Palmer, Romo, Schaub, Rivers Hasselbeck?
              Have you even seen him play? The guy puts the ball where only elite QB's can.
              Peyton Manning, Brees, Brady, and maybe Mcnabb(although most come from dump offs to Westbrook) is the only ones I would rank above him. Man you have to know better than to post something like that.

              And we talking about skill set here. His leadership skills may not be the best of the group, but the guy is super accurate and has a strong arm.
              If you're talking about skill set alone, I'm out of the conversation. I'm talking about who I'd rather have under center on my team. If you are looking at skill set alone, then Jeff George is indeed your guy. I don't know who in the current NFL. I guess whoever it was who threw the ball through the goalposts from his knees on the 50yd line.
              When I talked about skill, i meant accuracy also. Not just who can throw a fast deep zip ball.
              And Oh yeah, Bears got em..lol

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Fritz
                Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                Well, that eliminates the Bears!
                I guess they wanted him afterall...lol.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Bossman641
                  Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                  finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                  But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                  If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                  What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                  Once again your hatred towards the Bears clouded your judgement. I was on point and you were.......well, NOT.---thats just a little crow for you my friend.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Gunakor
                    Originally posted by Bossman641
                    Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                    finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                    But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                    If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                    What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                    Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.
                    It is true that none of the National media saw this coming. It started off as the Bears being just a team that would be interested, but then by this morning they no longer even mentioned the Bears as a possibility once the Redskins pushed for him. maybe that was because Everyone knew how much the Redskins will give up to get a big name during the offseason, but I guess the Bears THIS TIME just wanted this player a little more.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                      Originally posted by Gunakor
                      Originally posted by Bossman641
                      Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                      finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                      But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                      If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                      What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                      Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.
                      It is true that none of the National media saw this coming. It started off as the Bears being just a team that would be interested, but then by this morning they no longer even mentioned the Bears as a possibility once the Redskins pushed for him. maybe that was because Everyone knew how much the Redskins will give up to get a big name during the offseason, but I guess the Bears THIS TIME just wanted this player a little more.
                      And Kudos to you for getting it done. Now we'll see how much use he is to a team completely devoid of talent at the WR position. Gotta admit though, this just made the Bears a much better football team.
                      Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Gunakor
                        Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                        Originally posted by Gunakor
                        Originally posted by Bossman641
                        Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                        finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                        But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                        If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                        What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                        Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.
                        It is true that none of the National media saw this coming. It started off as the Bears being just a team that would be interested, but then by this morning they no longer even mentioned the Bears as a possibility once the Redskins pushed for him. maybe that was because Everyone knew how much the Redskins will give up to get a big name during the offseason, but I guess the Bears THIS TIME just wanted this player a little more.
                        And Kudos to you for getting it done. Now we'll see how much use he is to a team completely devoid of talent at the WR position. Gotta admit though, this just made the Bears a much better football team.
                        I already made comments on the WR position on here several times today. I will let you guys continue to beat that drum...lol.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                          Originally posted by Bossman641
                          Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                          finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                          But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                          If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                          What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                          Once again your hatred towards the Bears clouded your judgement. I was on point and you were.......well, NOT.---thats just a little crow for you my friend.
                          Go PACK

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                            Originally posted by Gunakor
                            Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                            Originally posted by Gunakor
                            Originally posted by Bossman641
                            Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                            finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                            But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                            If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                            What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                            Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.
                            It is true that none of the National media saw this coming. It started off as the Bears being just a team that would be interested, but then by this morning they no longer even mentioned the Bears as a possibility once the Redskins pushed for him. maybe that was because Everyone knew how much the Redskins will give up to get a big name during the offseason, but I guess the Bears THIS TIME just wanted this player a little more.
                            And Kudos to you for getting it done. Now we'll see how much use he is to a team completely devoid of talent at the WR position. Gotta admit though, this just made the Bears a much better football team.
                            I already made comments on the WR position on here several times today. I will let you guys continue to beat that drum...lol.
                            I know you did Baddest. I consider it homerism. I don't think the Bears WR's are nearly as good as you hype them up to be.

                            Last year Orton was the man, remember? He was SOOO awesome. Now, he was overthrowing guys left and right. The receivers were open, it was the QB's fault. That wasn't the problem when the games were being played last year though.

                            Homerism.
                            Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Gunakor
                              Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                              Originally posted by Gunakor
                              Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                              Originally posted by Gunakor
                              Originally posted by Bossman641
                              Originally posted by Dabaddestbear
                              finally a topic that interest the Bear fan on here since the season ended.
                              But Cutler has a better chance to land in Chicago than Detroit.

                              If he lands in the NFC it will be with the Tampa Bay, Panthers or Bears. Broncos want a QB in return that can start today, and a draft pick does not guarantee that. They may also be looking for a defensive player that can improve their team. Detroit can not offer any of that.
                              What do you realistically think the Bears could offer to get Cutler? No way are the Broncos interested in Orton and #18.
                              Reports are swirling about possible 3 team trades, so the Bears don't necessarily have to have anything Denver would want. Denver wants a QB, which the Bears don't have to spare, but Cleveland does. So let's say the Bears have something that the BROWNS want. What then? I could totally see a possibility of Cutler landing in Chicago, but it would have to involve another team as well to make the trade work. Not at all unheard of.
                              It is true that none of the National media saw this coming. It started off as the Bears being just a team that would be interested, but then by this morning they no longer even mentioned the Bears as a possibility once the Redskins pushed for him. maybe that was because Everyone knew how much the Redskins will give up to get a big name during the offseason, but I guess the Bears THIS TIME just wanted this player a little more.
                              And Kudos to you for getting it done. Now we'll see how much use he is to a team completely devoid of talent at the WR position. Gotta admit though, this just made the Bears a much better football team.
                              I already made comments on the WR position on here several times today. I will let you guys continue to beat that drum...lol.
                              I know you did Baddest. I consider it homerism. I don't think the Bears WR's are nearly as good as you hype them up to be.

                              Last year Orton was the man, remember? He was SOOO awesome. Now, he was overthrowing guys left and right. The receivers were open, it was the QB's fault. That wasn't the problem when the games were being played last year though.

                              Homerism.
                              Whoooa my friend, I am not proclaiming them to be good, at least judging from what I have saw so far. And if you see some of my post after some of the Bears games, my main complaint was either about the Bears giving up late game leads, or Orton missing wide open WR's deep. I was excited about him at the beginning of the season, but after teams found out he was always tossing short to the TE's and Forte, then they would play up closer and challenge him to go deep. And most of the time he did he would overthrow them or throw too short making the WR wait for the pass and allowing the defense to catch up to his tosses. His best range is within 20 yards, anything beyond that is 50/50 at best, which hurt Hester only true route that he seems to run well...the deep seam, or up and out.

                              So maybe you were sitting around a Bear fan that made that claim, but I wasnt one of them. My post about our WR's during the season was pretty consistent. Orton is average, but you cant argue that a Pro-Bowl caliber QB will not be much better. The guy threw for more yards last year than Orton has in his Career man.

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