Rodgers/Cutler statistical comparison, head to head

[Bossman641]

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for Cutler. I don't think Cutler is that great to be all honest. Denver is a big rushing team and obviously we are to date, not. Without a good running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith. The Bears do have a running game, now if they get some WR's then they will have a good offense for a change.

I see some bitter rival fans just say anything to be get a post in..lol.
Denver is a big rushing team? THEY ONLY HAD TWO GAMES LAST SEASON IN WHICH THE BRONCOS RUSHED FOR 100 YARDS.

And to follow that up you say, without a running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith? Umm, the Bears have a much better running game than the Broncos do, so what does that say now?
Ok, what happened to the logical Packer fans I was chatting with earlier. I miss them already.

Patler addressed that earlier.

Yet Denver averaged 116 yards rushing per game, while the Packers averaged 112.
Denver averaged 4.8yds/carry, the Packers averaged 4.1.

Which QB really had the support of a better running game???

[Dabaddestbear]

I wouldn't trade Rodgers for Cutler. I don't think Cutler is that great to be all honest. Denver is a big rushing team and obviously we are to date, not. Without a good running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith. The Bears do have a running game, now if they get some WR's then they will have a good offense for a change.

I see some bitter rival fans just say anything to be get a post in..lol.
Denver is a big rushing team? THEY ONLY HAD TWO GAMES LAST SEASON IN WHICH THE BRONCOS RUSHED FOR 100 YARDS.

And to follow that up you say, without a running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith? Umm, the Bears have a much better running game than the Broncos do, so what does that say now?
Ok, what happened to the logical Packer fans I was chatting with earlier. I miss them already.

Patler addressed that earlier.

Yet Denver averaged 116 yards rushing per game, while the Packers averaged 112.
Denver averaged 4.8yds/carry, the Packers averaged 4.1.

Which QB really had the support of a better running game???

The statement made was "Denver is a big rushing team..."
I pointed out that there is no way a BIG RUSHING TEAM only rushes for 100 yards only twice in a season, while the QB throws for almost 4,500 yards. Please, lets not support emotional illogical statements here buddy.

[pack4to84]

Denver rushed for 1862 yards 116.38 avg
bears rushed for 1673 yards 104.56 avg


denver 12th ranked rushing team
bears 24th ranked rushing team

so in fact denver had a better rushing team then the bears

[BZnDallas]

{ilr]3]

I agree with Patler; I think they are very comparable. I think those who think AROD is undoubtedly better...and there seem to be a lot.....are homers. I also this those who think Cutler is hands down the better QB are nuts as well. If you'd ask fans with some football knowledge with no bias either way who they would want at QB, I'd bet more would say Cutler

.....A lot the talking heads in the media seem to think Rodgers is the better QB with out question.

You know better. IN my other post I showed articles from all major sports websites that say just the opposite. The only talkoing heads that said that stupid crap was the two idiots that none of you like on ESPN until now when they seem to have an obvious bias against Cutler. I already provided proof of this.

Rodgers is a good QB, and may be great one day. But in no way after only one year starting is he or can he be compared to a QB that has been very good the past 3 years, and had a running game that only rushed for 100 yards TWICE last year and yet still put up those numbers even when everyone was dropping back to defend the past.
Yes he threw for more INT's, but he threw many more passes.

i just thought this was funny as hell coming from you Baddest... with all the discussions about BF last offseason, now its ok to throw INTs if you throw more passes... hmmmm...

Come on man, he does not toss INT's like good ole boy Brett..lol.
In comparison on MIke and Mike they pointed out that he threw a INT every 33rd pass (I think) in comparison to Brett tossing one every 25 passes!. They said he only threw 4 in the 4th quarter and was 3rd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency when converting first downs. They pointed out that his INT's was in the middle range for QB's in the NFL not real bad or real good. I know one mentionable QB that threw more INT's per attempt was Big Ben.

first off Baddest, i think the bears got a legit starter for a qb... congrats on that...

secondly am i mistaken or didn't Cutler lead the broncos to an 8-8 record with 2 really good wrs in Marshall and Royal? Forte and Olsen (not even close)

and thirdly i think u missed my point earlier... the point i was questioning is why is it when Packer Rats agreed that BF threw alot of INTs, they argued that he threw alot of passes and played in alot more games, (unless i'm mistaken) you argued that wasn't a good enough reason... why are you aloud to use the same argument now that you have a qb YOU want to defend???... thats all i'm saying... sounds a bit hypocritical don't you think??

just a thought... but i agree with one of your other posts about the NFCN getting better and other divisions not wanting to play us... with the exception of DET... i loved the old black and blue, lets get back to those days...

[KYPack]

Great post BZ. I was gonna say about the same thing.

I have the nagging suspicion that Orton will have a good year in Denver and Cutler will struggle in Chitown.

Why? Because I hope so.

Actually, I think Orton's got a lot to prove and Cutler may have a lot of trouble with the transition.

[The Shadow]

One thing not mentioned is that Cutler is coming off a Pro Bowl year ! Three years as a Starter and only 25 years old. Look Out, Da BEARS are coming and they are HUNGERY !

Perhaps we should be more concerned with their spelling as they approach.

[Iron Mike]

Re: Rodgers/Cutler statistical comparison, head to head

2008 Performance
Category - Rodgers/Cutler

attempts - 536/616
completions - 341/384
comp. % - 63.6%/62.3%
total yards - 4038/4526
yds/att. - 7.5/7.3
touchdowns - 28/25
interceptions - 13/18
comp. for 1sts - 182/222
sacks - 34/11
sack yds - 231/69
passer rating - 93.8/86.0
carries - 56/57
rush yds - 207/200

Cutlers biggest advantage - avoiding sacks
Rodgers biggest advantage - avoiding interceptions.
Could be that the two go hand in hand. To avoid a sack, Cutler makes a risky throw. To avoid the risk of an interception, Rodgers takes sacks.

Beyond that, not a lot of difference between the two in statistical performance.

Except for the fact that A-Rodg didn't get to pad his stats against Oak/KC.

[Dabaddestbear]

{ilr]3]

I agree with Patler; I think they are very comparable. I think those who think AROD is undoubtedly better...and there seem to be a lot.....are homers. I also this those who think Cutler is hands down the better QB are nuts as well. If you'd ask fans with some football knowledge with no bias either way who they would want at QB, I'd bet more would say Cutler

.....A lot the talking heads in the media seem to think Rodgers is the better QB with out question.

You know better. IN my other post I showed articles from all major sports websites that say just the opposite. The only talkoing heads that said that stupid crap was the two idiots that none of you like on ESPN until now when they seem to have an obvious bias against Cutler. I already provided proof of this.

Rodgers is a good QB, and may be great one day. But in no way after only one year starting is he or can he be compared to a QB that has been very good the past 3 years, and had a running game that only rushed for 100 yards TWICE last year and yet still put up those numbers even when everyone was dropping back to defend the past.
Yes he threw for more INT's, but he threw many more passes.

i just thought this was funny as hell coming from you Baddest... with all the discussions about BF last offseason, now its ok to throw INTs if you throw more passes... hmmmm...

Come on man, he does not toss INT's like good ole boy Brett..lol.
In comparison on MIke and Mike they pointed out that he threw a INT every 33rd pass (I think) in comparison to Brett tossing one every 25 passes!. They said he only threw 4 in the 4th quarter and was 3rd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency when converting first downs. They pointed out that his INT's was in the middle range for QB's in the NFL not real bad or real good. I know one mentionable QB that threw more INT's per attempt was Big Ben.

first off Baddest, i think the bears got a legit starter for a qb... congrats on that...

secondly am i mistaken or didn't Cutler lead the broncos to an 8-8 record with 2 really good wrs in Marshall and Royal? Forte and Olsen (not even close)

and thirdly i think u missed my point earlier... the point i was questioning is why is it when Packer Rats agreed that BF threw alot of INTs, they argued that he threw alot of passes and played in alot more games, (unless i'm mistaken) you argued that wasn't a good enough reason... why are you aloud to use the same argument now that you have a qb YOU want to defend???... thats all i'm saying... sounds a bit hypocritical don't you think??

just a thought... but i agree with one of your other posts about the NFCN getting better and other divisions not wanting to play us... with the exception of DET... i loved the old black and blue, lets get back to those days...

If you was to look at any of those games with Denver you would see that Cutler had some great games, they lost most of those because they had a defense that couldn't stop most pop warner teams on a good day. I mean this is the same defense that allowed the Chargers to run up 52 points!! I watch most of my games at the sports bar where I can pay attention to multiple games at one time. Trust me Cutler makes throws that makes WR's look a lot better than they are. Olsen will be a top 5 TE in this league very soon(you heard it hear first), and Forte will benefit a great deal from not seeing no more 7-8 man fronts on every play. And just keep in mind that JA is not finish yet. It will be more pieces added to this puzzle before the regular season ends.

And My criticisms of Brett was he led the league in INT's AS WELL as TD's. Cutler is not an INT machine like Brett, or better yet at all.
But time will tell once the games start to play themselves out. We can debate this all day..lol.

[Dabaddestbear]

Re: Rodgers/Cutler statistical comparison, head to head

2008 Performance
Category - Rodgers/Cutler

attempts - 536/616
completions - 341/384
comp. % - 63.6%/62.3%
total yards - 4038/4526
yds/att. - 7.5/7.3
touchdowns - 28/25
interceptions - 13/18
comp. for 1sts - 182/222
sacks - 34/11
sack yds - 231/69
passer rating - 93.8/86.0
carries - 56/57
rush yds - 207/200

Cutlers biggest advantage - avoiding sacks
Rodgers biggest advantage - avoiding interceptions.
Could be that the two go hand in hand. To avoid a sack, Cutler makes a risky throw. To avoid the risk of an interception, Rodgers takes sacks.

Beyond that, not a lot of difference between the two in statistical performance.

Except for the fact that A-Rodg didn't get to pad his stats against Oak/KC.

OAK has one of the better secondaries in the league. And in that same light the Packers played 4 games against two of the worst secondaries in the league stat wise, in the Bears and Lions.

[Bretsky]

Rodgers is a good QB, and may be great one day. But in no way after only one year starting is he or can he be compared to a QB that has been very good the past 3 years, and had a running game that only rushed for 100 yards TWICE last year and yet still put up those numbers even when everyone was dropping back to defend the past.
Yes he threw for more INT's, but he threw many more passes.

Yet Denver averaged 116 yards rushing per game, while the Packers averaged 112.
Denver averaged 4.8yds/carry, the Packers averaged 4.1.

Which QB really had the support of a better running game???

In this fight of Patler vs. The Bear Troll, I have Patler well ahead on my card. One more knockdown like this and the ref will have to call it.

A Bear lover is a mere appetizer for Patler; kind of like a little cheddar nugget before he has his 40 ounce steak

[pbmax]

I see some bitter rival fans just say anything to be get a post in..lol. Denver is a big rushing team? THEY ONLY HAD TWO GAMES LAST SEASON IN WHICH THE BRONCOS RUSHED FOR 100 YARDS.

According to Pro Football Reference Dot Com, the Broncos rushed for 100 yards or better in 13 out of 16 games last year. Their average would have been much higher, but they managed only 14 yards on the ground against the Dolphins.

Opp  			          RushY
Oakland Raiders 	     141
San Diego Chargers 	  145
New Orleans Saints 	  105
Kansas City Chiefs 	   94 
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	106
Jacksonville Jaguars 	131
New England Patriots 	106
Miami Dolphins 	   	 14 
Cleveland Browns 	    123
Atlanta Falcons 	     124
Oakland Raiders 	     115
New York Jets 	    	127
Kansas City Chiefs   	139
Carolina Panthers    	121
Buffalo Bills 	    	181
San Diego Chargers    	90

Not sure where you got the 2 games over 100 yards figure, but perhaps that is the number of backs who personally went over 100?

Cutler clearly will be in a different offense. And I think his predilection for INTs is closer to Favre than you think (3.0% INT rate vs. Favre's 3.3%). Especially early in his career, when he was still afraid of Holmgren, Favre was right around that number.

But that might be less than half the story. He is an upgrade over Orton or Grossman. And he makes the Bears better. If the questions about the defense and O Line can be resolved, they'll be better, no doubt.

[bobblehead]

I would take arod because I abhor picks. I think they are very comparable depending on what you need done.

Remember ARod is a first year starter and our line played below par last year. I think the sack numbers will get better (Cutler will always have an advantage for his fast release) so I think long term Rodgers would be my guy. Not being a homer at all here, Just what I prefer from my QB. My opinion could change a lot if the game doesn't slow down for rodgers this year, I'm building in a bit of improvement in my decision. I don't think Cutler can win a super bowl as he gambles too much.

[hoosier]

I see some bitter rival fans just say anything to be get a post in..lol. Denver is a big rushing team? THEY ONLY HAD TWO GAMES LAST SEASON IN WHICH THE BRONCOS RUSHED FOR 100 YARDS.

And to follow that up you say, without a running game Cutler would look like Alex Smith? Umm, the Bears have a much better running game than the Broncos do, so what does that say now?
Ok, what happened to the logical Packer fans I was chatting with earlier. I miss them already.

The Broncos as a team exceeded 100 yards rushing in 13 of their 16 games. Maybe you mean they only had an individual RB exceed 100 yards twice all season? And then who cares how they decided to distribute their carries? As a team Denver finished 12th in the league in rushing yards, well ahead of the Bears (24th). They also easily outdid Chicago in average yards/rush (4.8 to 3.9). And their clear statistical superiority is despite the fact that the Bears were a run-first offense and the Broncos were largely pass oriented.

[BZnDallas]

{ilr]3]

I agree with Patler; I think they are very comparable. I think those who think AROD is undoubtedly better...and there seem to be a lot.....are homers. I also this those who think Cutler is hands down the better QB are nuts as well. If you'd ask fans with some football knowledge with no bias either way who they would want at QB, I'd bet more would say Cutler

.....A lot the talking heads in the media seem to think Rodgers is the better QB with out question.

You know better. IN my other post I showed articles from all major sports websites that say just the opposite. The only talkoing heads that said that stupid crap was the two idiots that none of you like on ESPN until now when they seem to have an obvious bias against Cutler. I already provided proof of this.

Rodgers is a good QB, and may be great one day. But in no way after only one year starting is he or can he be compared to a QB that has been very good the past 3 years, and had a running game that only rushed for 100 yards TWICE last year and yet still put up those numbers even when everyone was dropping back to defend the past.
Yes he threw for more INT's, but he threw many more passes.

i just thought this was funny as hell coming from you Baddest... with all the discussions about BF last offseason, now its ok to throw INTs if you throw more passes... hmmmm...

Come on man, he does not toss INT's like good ole boy Brett..lol.
In comparison on MIke and Mike they pointed out that he threw a INT every 33rd pass (I think) in comparison to Brett tossing one every 25 passes!. They said he only threw 4 in the 4th quarter and was 3rd in the NFL in 3rd down efficiency when converting first downs. They pointed out that his INT's was in the middle range for QB's in the NFL not real bad or real good. I know one mentionable QB that threw more INT's per attempt was Big Ben.

first off Baddest, i think the bears got a legit starter for a qb... congrats on that...

secondly am i mistaken or didn't Cutler lead the broncos to an 8-8 record with 2 really good wrs in Marshall and Royal? Forte and Olsen (not even close)

and thirdly i think u missed my point earlier... the point i was questioning is why is it when Packer Rats agreed that BF threw alot of INTs, they argued that he threw alot of passes and played in alot more games, (unless i'm mistaken) you argued that wasn't a good enough reason... why are you aloud to use the same argument now that you have a qb YOU want to defend???... thats all i'm saying... sounds a bit hypocritical don't you think??

just a thought... but i agree with one of your other posts about the NFCN getting better and other divisions not wanting to play us... with the exception of DET... i loved the old black and blue, lets get back to those days...

If you was to look at any of those games with Denver you would see that Cutler had some great games, they lost most of those because they had a defense that couldn't stop most pop warner teams on a good day. I mean this is the same defense that allowed the Chargers to run up 52 points!! I watch most of my games at the sports bar where I can pay attention to multiple games at one time. Trust me Cutler makes throws that makes WR's look a lot better than they are. Olsen will be a top 5 TE in this league very soon(you heard it hear first), and Forte will benefit a great deal from not seeing no more 7-8 man fronts on every play. And just keep in mind that JA is not finish yet. It will be more pieces added to this puzzle before the regular season ends.

And My criticisms of Brett was he led the league in INT's AS WELL as TD's. Cutler is not an INT machine like Brett, or better yet at all.
But time will tell once the games start to play themselves out. We can debate this all day..lol.

Thanx KY, i wasn't sure if anybody else had wondered the same thing...


Dabaddest, i dont remember mentioning anything about TDs in the discussion... it was based soley on INTs vs. Passes Thrown... you made the same arguement (in favor of Cutler) that other Packer Rats have made (in favor of BF)... thats all i'm say'n... and then you go and do it again in this post above or maybe you just agree with other Packer Rats about the Packers Defense...

Many have discussed that the Packer Defense last year was horrible, yet AR gets most of the blame for GBs losses...

I guess i'll ask you Baddest, is it ok if we as Packer Rats use our awful defense as an excuse as you have used it for Cutler in denver???

[Pugger]

This is a silly discussion. Both QBs are very good and have performed equally in the past. The only question is how will Cutler do with a different PASSING offense than he had in Denver. Only time will tell. It will make Packer/Bare games more interesting for sure.