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    I posted this elsewhere but I figured I'd share. TT has shown interest in most of the prospects in it, and all are picked about where they are projected. I was conscious to choose guys that meets the criteria for players that TT has shown favor for (athletic traits, size, personality, leadership, etc..).

    Free Agency:

    Additions:
    Anthony Smith, FS/SS, 6'1", 200lb

    TT's first FA signing, he brings experience in the scheme and is a player the coaches know.

    Michael Montgomery, DE, 6'5", 275lb

    After Carter visited the Packers attention has turned to Montgomery, who has the right sized frame, though is a little slow and undersized for the DE position.

    Duke Preston, C/G/T, 6'5", 326lb

    Versatile player brought in as a guy to compete at C, G, and RT, and at worst be a valuable player on the bench. He's very large compared to the rest of our lineman, yet has the agility to succeed in our blocking scheme if the coaches can get him to play up to his ability.

    Subtractions:
    Mark Tausher, RT
    Mark is signed elsewhere prior to TT making an effort to retain him.

    Colin Cole, DT
    Cole signed with the Seahawks after rejecting the small offer from the Packers.

    Projected 2010 compensatory picks: None

    Draft:
    Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford - The bar has swung back to Stafford IMO. This pick is all about $$, I think that Stafford and his agent have to study the past history of drafts, and they will realize that he is losing a significant amount of money if he doesn't sign here. He could realistically fall all the way to #8, or beyond, if he does not take Detroit's offer. Detroit has to keep up with the Joneses, a QB is what they need, and sign and pick Stafford.

    St. Louis - Eugene Monroe - The Rams IMO are set on a tackle. They need a tackle and a WR (in addition to basically every defensive position), the tackle is the safe pick here.

    Kansas City - Brian Orakpo - Though many have Curry penciled in here, the fact remains that he plays linebacker, when cost is considered the DE/OLB becomes the more valuable pick. KC needs a pass rush in a very bad way.

    Seattle - Jason Smith - IMO this pick is very important to a number of others down the line. While Sanchez seems like a good fit, there is that nasty thing known as a contract, I just can't see a top 5 QB backing up a 10M/yr QB who is under contract for 2 more years. Walter is closer to the end than Hass is, and franchise LT's are nearly as hard to find as franchise QB's.

    Cleveland - Aaron Curry - At some point the BPA can't be ignored, I think that Curry's overall football IQ and ability to play ILB and OLB, makes him an ideal fit as a 2 gap 3-4 LB, which they play.

    Cincinnati - Michael Crabtree - I think that they are looking to get rid of Ocho sooner rather than later. Crabtree here facilitates that process. I thought that this would be Andre's floor, but the Ocho situation complicates this.

    Oakland - Andre Smith - Andre Smith was the best OT in college football last year, and Al likes tackles. He has drafted A LOT of them. If his tackles aren't the best (they aren't), be assured that Al wants to take a tackle.

    Jacksonville Jaguars - BJ Raji - Jacksonville is in a tough spot, while I'm sure that they would love Sanchez, their staff is too close to the hot seat to take a guy that probably won't help them much in '09. I'm sure that they'd love to trade down, but unfortunately for them, the player on the board that teams want is a QB, and the team with the next pick is quite possibly the least likely team in the draft to actually take a QB. Their defense declined bad after Stroud left, Raji could pick up where he left off and get them back to dominating the defensive line of scrimmage. The positive test just gets tham a cheaper contract with him.

    *trade* - Green Bay trades #9 to the Washington Redskins for #13 and Carlos Rogers.

    Trade Acquisition - Carlos Rogers, CB, 6'0", 190

    There has been talk all offseason that he has been on the block, including as part of trade compensation for Cutler. Snyder made his bed with Smoot and Hall, he can't afford to extend Rogers even though statistically he was one of the best covermen in the NFL. Repeated attempts to trade him have lowered his value. Dan tipped his hand in pursuit of Cutler, he wants better than Campbell. He moves up to secure Jason's successor, lacking much draft pick firepower he trades the CB and TT is happy to oblige. Rogers is young and entering his prime. He needs a new contract soon but that can be accommodated.

    Washington Redskins - Mark Sanchez - Dan wants better than Campbell. He moves up to get Jason's successor before the 49ers have a chance to grab him.

    San Francisco 49ers - Everette Brown - Manny Lawson has thus far proven ineffective, and SF could use a better pass rusher. Coach Singletary knows linebackers, and he likes what he sees out of Brown on tape.

    Buffalo Bills - Robert Ayers - The Bills could use a pass rush and better DE, Maybin is a little too slow and raw for them, Ayers has a lot of hype, and the Bills have bit on hype before.

    Denver Broncos - Aaron Maybin - With the Packers next, the Broncos have to be strategic about the next two picks. They know the Packers are probably looking at the same players that they are, where is the biggest dropoff, pass rusher or line. They take the pass rusher.

    #13 - Tyson Jackson, DE, 6'4", 295lb

    The Broncos taking Maybin cleared the way for the Packers to take Jackson here. TT fills the position he's been snooping around in the offseason and he gets a good starting CB for his trading down trouble. Barnett is grinning ear to ear.

    *trade* - Green Bay trades #41 to the NYG for #45 and #129
    *trade* - Green Bay trades #45 and #129 to Cleveland for #50 and #104

    #50 - Max Unger, C/G/RT, 6'5", 309lb

    Max's arms are a little short to play LT, but he can play the other 4 positions well. He's a low error player that will facilitate the filling of the RT spot, whether by Colledge, Barbre, Sitton, or himself. TT gambles that he can trade down and pick up some value and still get him, and he is right.

    #73 - Dorell Scott, NT/DE, 6'3", 315lb

    In a recent interview, Scott has said that he was being looked at almost exclusively by 3-4 teams seeking a NT, having visited (or scheduled visits) with most of them. TT was the only GM present at Clemson's pro day. He fits the mold of a TT draft pick, a team leader and mentor to other players, with strong athletic ability.

    #83 - Cody Brown, OLB, 6'2", 244lb

    Short and undersized with real long arms and good enough speed, agility, and explosion. He was a very productive player in school but falls a but due to less than perfect size, plus he is of little use to 4-3 teams aside from situational rusher.

    #104 - Chase Coffman, TE, 6'6", 244lb

    TT has been sniffing around TE's all offseason. Has a foot injury and has been unable to work out, and he falls to the Packers here at the top of the 4th. His father Paul played for the Packers and was one of the Packer greats.

    #109 - James Davis, RB, 5'11", 218lb

    TT showed a lot of interest in Davis. We are going to need another back to bring to camp, Davis would have a solid chance to make the roster, especially if he can run back kicks.

    #145 - Tony Fiametta, FB/H-Back, 6'0", 245lb

    Quick FB with great hands and great blocking skills. He fits what MM likes to do on offense perfectly. Has the size and speed to be a good battering ram when a yard or two is needed. The FB is dying in the NFL, but not in GB where the FB gets a lot of use.

    *trade* - Green Bay trades Al Harris to Buffalo for #147 - Buffalo is gearing up for a run and is in win now mode. TT discussed jumping ahead of Denver with them with Al as part of the package, they told him no but to call back later they might have interest. TT eliminates any sort of conflict that might arise from the acquisition of Rogers by immediately trading Al.

    #147 - Henry Melton, OLB, 6'4", 269lb

    Henry started his career as a RB, moving to DE eventually to play opposite Brian Orakpo. He showed very good athleticism at his pro day, which TT was present for.

    #182 - Nader Abdallah, DE, 6'4", 292lb

    Late bloomer that had a strong finish to his college career. Physical prototype at DE that will be developed.

    #187 - Don Carey, CB, 5'11", 192lb

    CB with good enough size and speed for TT that flashed impressive skills in the shrine game.

    #218 - Jamarko Simmons, WR/H-Back/FB, 6'2", 231lb

    Big strong WR with good wheels that hails from G. Jennings alma mater and broke several of his records, including receptions and single season yards.

    Projected Depth Chart:
    QB - Rodgers, Brohm, Flynn
    RB - Jackson, Grant, Davis
    FB - Hall, Fiametta
    WR - Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Simmons
    TE - Lee, Finley, Coffman
    LT - Clifton, Colledge, Barbre
    LG - Colledge, Preston, Barbre
    C- Spitz, Preston
    RG - Unger, Preston, Moll
    RT - Sitton, Moll, Giacomini

    WOLB - Poppinga, Brown, Melton
    RDE - Jenkins, Scott, Malone
    NT - Pickett, Scott, Harrell
    LDE - Jackson, Harrell, Jolly
    SOLB - Kampman, Thompson, Poppinga
    WILB - Barnett, Chillar, Hawk
    SILB - Hawk, Bishop, Poppinga
    LCB - Rogers, Lee
    NCB - Williams, Carey
    FS - Collins, Rouse, Smith
    SS - Bigby, Smith, Rouse
    RCB - Woodson, Blackmon

    K - Crosby
    P - Unknown
    LS - Jansen

  • #2
    This is great stuff Waldo, and up to the Al Harris for what TT got for him I was completely on board. My gut tells me TT would/could hold out for more.

    I can really see the Skins trading up in front of Wash to get the QB, and Tyson Jackson at #13 would be a good pick.

    But I'm guessing TT would rather garner an extra 3rd out of them for it.

    I do like that portfolio of additions via draft picks though

    Love the Chase Coffman pick too; that would be sweet.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      You way overvalue Sanchez.

      Sanchez is by no means an upgrade over Cambell.

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      • #4
        Washington is thought to be trying to deal Campbell
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          I like it. Rodgers would be a sweet pick up. Him, Williams and Lee would give us good hope for the future.
          Draft Brandin Cooks WR OSU!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bretsky
            Washington is thought to be trying to deal Campbell
            For a pro bowl QB.

            Snyder wants to win...NOW. Taking a college senior...not going to win now.

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            • #7
              So, Waldo.

              Supposing we pick at #9, who do you suppose we grab?

              Also, with our second round pick, do you think all of the second tier WOLB pass rusher prospects will be gone, guys like Barwin, English, and Sintim? If one of those kinds of guys is there, and we don't take a WOLB in the first round, do you think Unger is higher on Thompson's board?

              Do you think Dorrell Scott grades out higher than Myron Pryor on Thompson's board? Or is Pryor gone at #73? Pryor seems to me to be built to play NT as he is morphologically similar to a Coke Machine. Is Scott simply more versatile?
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              • #8
                Waldo, so you think we cut harris this year? i dont seem him on your final depth chart

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Charles Woodson
                  Waldo, so you think we cut harris this year? i dont seem him on your final depth chart
                  In Waldo's accounting, we traded him for Buffalo's fifth round pick, because the acquisition of Carlos Rogers made him expendable.

                  I agree with Waldo's reasoning, that if we did trade #9 for #13 and Rogers, Harris would not make the final roster.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Waldo's Mock Offseason

                    Originally posted by Waldo
                    *trade* - Green Bay trades Al Harris to Buffalo for #147


                    I find it surprising that you think Hunter won't make the team.
                    70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lurker64
                      So, Waldo.

                      Supposing we pick at #9, who do you suppose we grab?

                      Also, with our second round pick, do you think all of the second tier WOLB pass rusher prospects will be gone, guys like Barwin, English, and Sintim? If one of those kinds of guys is there, and we don't take a WOLB in the first round, do you think Unger is higher on Thompson's board?

                      Do you think Dorrell Scott grades out higher than Myron Pryor on Thompson's board? Or is Pryor gone at #73? Pryor seems to me to be built to play NT as he is morphologically similar to a Coke Machine. Is Scott simply more versatile?
                      At #9.....Maybin or Brown. A 3-4 had better be very special to justify #9 money, Jackson is only special. By #12-#13 the money issue drops out and he becomes the BPA for a 3-4 team. He's the best 3-4 DE prospect since Seymore.

                      If we miss on the first tier guys (Orakpo, Maybin, Brown), I think the second tier is deep enough and close enough that you could wait until the mid 3rd and still get a good one. Between Barwin, English, Sintim, Sidbury, Matthews, Kruger, C. Brown, Johnson, each prospect has good points and bad points, but there isn't a huge difference. That's 8 guys that have real late first/2nd round value. Somebody, or several somebodies are going to drop to the mid 3rd, 1/4 of the NFL is probably not planning on taking a pass rusher in the 2nd, especially since 3 teams will have already taken one in the first.

                      There are also some good prospects later, P. Walters, Hunt, Melton, etc. TT is a believer in the big man theory (at least he has stated that he is), there are a very finite number of athletic 300lb+ humans on the planet, if two guys are equal, take the big guy. Unger is the most TT-like OL in the last few drafts. He's fairly big (310lb), can play all five positions, and is very athletic.

                      I do think that Scott grades out a bit higher. He's a very similar player to Harrell. He's a very good athlete for his size, and has a lot of interior experience. He's also a very big team leader and noted as a hard worker. His value is slightly higher than Pryor IMO because he's a much better fit at DE than Pryor. Pryor, Raji, Brace, and Taylor are pure NT's, they have very little use aside from the nose. Scott could play inside or outside, and would really be the ideal kind of guy for various sub packages where he could move around, yet you wouldn't have a problem at all with him in a base 3-4 at NT, he's big enough and strong enough. Athletic NT's are pretty rare, Harrell is one, you don't see them every year. Scott is another.

                      I would have no problem with Pryor either however. Not quite as versatile, but he'd be a perfect fit at the nose and would be an excellent backup to Pickett with a lot of upside.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Waldo's Mock Offseason

                        Originally posted by 3irty1
                        Originally posted by Waldo
                        *trade* - Green Bay trades Al Harris to Buffalo for #147


                        I find it surprising that you think Hunter won't make the team.
                        Not that I think Hunter is bad, but I think that Melton has an exceptional amount of upside on ST. I'm sure he still has RB instincts and vision, couple those with 270 lb defensive player that runs a 4.6 flat, dude would be an absolute demon on kickoff coverage and punt coverage.

                        Not to mention his upside at OLB, which is quite good as well.

                        Basically every pick after the 3rd round I had ST in mind as well as regular play, as that is how they make the roster.

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                        • #13
                          We've either had a visit with, interviewed, or had one of the big wigs at their pro day for every guy on here but Carey (not aware of it for him), but he's a very TT style CB.

                          Jackson - TT at pro day, combine interview
                          Unger - Pro day visit (not sure if TT was there), Senior bowl interview
                          Scott - TT at pro day
                          C. Brown - TT at pro day, interview (I forget where)
                          Coffman - We sent a large contingent to their pro day though he didn't work out, and talked to him
                          Davis - TT at pro day, private workout afterwards, we were all over him
                          Fiametta - Private workout with the Packers
                          Melton - TT at pro day, with a large Packer contingent
                          Abdallah - TT at pro day, we interviewed him there and payed a lot of attention to him
                          Carey - Nothing.....but he fits as a TT type guy, we definitely saw him at the shrine game. Miami has been all over him.
                          Simmons - Greg connection, Jamarko is close to Greg's dad, TT was at their pro day

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                          • #14
                            Re: Waldo's Mock Offseason

                            Originally posted by Waldo
                            Originally posted by 3irty1
                            Originally posted by Waldo
                            *trade* - Green Bay trades Al Harris to Buffalo for #147


                            I find it surprising that you think Hunter won't make the team.
                            Not that I think Hunter is bad, but I think that Melton has an exceptional amount of upside on ST. I'm sure he still has RB instincts and vision, couple those with 270 lb defensive player that runs a 4.6 flat, dude would be an absolute demon on kickoff coverage and punt coverage.

                            Not to mention his upside at OLB, which is quite good as well.

                            Basically every pick after the 3rd round I had ST in mind as well as regular play, as that is how they make the roster.
                            Sounds like you have us replacing Hunter with a new Hunter that is a couple years younger. Hunter is good special teamer in his own right. I doubt we spend a draft pick to upgrade this position by a couple of years.
                            70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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                            • #15
                              I'd really like to get a 6'2" 230lbs WR that beat some of Jennings' records. I'm intrigued by some of these small school guys, and with a frame like that, he'd be a BEAST in the slot.

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