Excellent Analysis on Rodgers

[Joemailman]

Truth is the game has changed quite a bit from back in 1994. There are so many QB's who are continually rasing the bar. Now that Brady has thrown 50TD's in a season and Manning 49, 35 TD's looks average. 3800 yards is nothing anymore. What won MVP 10 years ago wouldn't even earn you a starting spot in the Pro Bowl anymore in either conference.

I think you are overstating the difference between 1994 and now. Maybe 1984 or 1974. However, passing yards are pretty similar. In 1994, 18 of 28 teams averaged 200 passing yards/game. In 2009, 17 of 32 teams averaged that. In 1994, three QBs had 30+ passing TDs. Same in 2009. In 1994, three QBs had 4000 passing yards. In 2009, it was six QBs, but three QBs barely hit the threshold in 2009 while one just missed the threshold in 1994. Just because a few guys have had record breaking seasons doesn't mean the overall game has changed that dramatically.

BTW, in 1974 only one team averaged over 200 passing yards/game. Washington led the league at 200.1 passing yards/game.

Forget about team comparisons. Favre had approximately 3800 yards and 33 TD's in 1994. Where would that rank him compared to today's quarterbacks? Because back then those kind of numbers made you eligible for the MVP race. As I said, now it doesn't even earn you a starting spot in the Pro Bowl in either the AFC or the NFC. You'd be lucky to even get an invite with those numbers if playing in the AFC. Obviously something changed.

Peyton Manning started for the AFC in the Pro Bowl after putting up 4002 yards and 27 TD Passes. There were only 3 guys in the entire league with 30 or more TD passes. 30 TD passes is still a great accomplishment. Things haven't changed as much as you think.

[Guiness]

To go in a slightly different direction, how about another first round QB who's sitting on the bench, although he had a false start...

What's going to happen to Leinhardt? After a couple of starts early, he's sat and watched...but now Warner has a 2yr deal. So?

I think Arizona deals him for a 4th, maybe a 3rd if they're lucky. I can't see anyone paying a second for him.

[Brandon494]

To go in a slightly different direction, how about another first round QB who's sitting on the bench, although he had a false start...

What's going to happen to Leinhardt? After a couple of starts early, he's sat and watched...but now Warner has a 2yr deal. So?

I think Arizona deals him for a 4th, maybe a 3rd if they're lucky. I can't see anyone paying a second for him.

haha I remember when some posters wanted to draft AR and trade up to select Leinhardt.

[Fritz]

Terdell Middleton was a running back.

[mraynrand]

When Ron Pitts calls the 'Red Zone' the 'Red Area,' I get mildly annoyed.

[Gunakor]

Truth is the game has changed quite a bit from back in 1994. There are so many QB's who are continually rasing the bar. Now that Brady has thrown 50TD's in a season and Manning 49, 35 TD's looks average. 3800 yards is nothing anymore. What won MVP 10 years ago wouldn't even earn you a starting spot in the Pro Bowl anymore in either conference.

I think you are overstating the difference between 1994 and now. Maybe 1984 or 1974. However, passing yards are pretty similar. In 1994, 18 of 28 teams averaged 200 passing yards/game. In 2009, 17 of 32 teams averaged that. In 1994, three QBs had 30+ passing TDs. Same in 2009. In 1994, three QBs had 4000 passing yards. In 2009, it was six QBs, but three QBs barely hit the threshold in 2009 while one just missed the threshold in 1994. Just because a few guys have had record breaking seasons doesn't mean the overall game has changed that dramatically.

BTW, in 1974 only one team averaged over 200 passing yards/game. Washington led the league at 200.1 passing yards/game.

Forget about team comparisons. Favre had approximately 3800 yards and 33 TD's in 1994. Where would that rank him compared to today's quarterbacks? Because back then those kind of numbers made you eligible for the MVP race. As I said, now it doesn't even earn you a starting spot in the Pro Bowl in either the AFC or the NFC. You'd be lucky to even get an invite with those numbers if playing in the AFC. Obviously something changed.

Peyton Manning started for the AFC in the Pro Bowl after putting up 4002 yards and 27 TD Passes. There were only 3 guys in the entire league with 30 or more TD passes. 30 TD passes is still a great accomplishment. Things haven't changed as much as you think.

Peyton Manning also started the season one month from knee surgery, and played without Harrison for most of the year. He started the Pro Bowl only because Tom Brady took a season ending hit in week 1, making him ineligible.

How many have the two of them been throwing in recent seasons when healthy?

[Freak Out]

Rodgers looks pretty fucking goofy when you think about it.

[Joemailman]

Truth is the game has changed quite a bit from back in 1994. There are so many QB's who are continually rasing the bar. Now that Brady has thrown 50TD's in a season and Manning 49, 35 TD's looks average. 3800 yards is nothing anymore. What won MVP 10 years ago wouldn't even earn you a starting spot in the Pro Bowl anymore in either conference.

I think you are overstating the difference between 1994 and now. Maybe 1984 or 1974. However, passing yards are pretty similar. In 1994, 18 of 28 teams averaged 200 passing yards/game. In 2009, 17 of 32 teams averaged that. In 1994, three QBs had 30+ passing TDs. Same in 2009. In 1994, three QBs had 4000 passing yards. In 2009, it was six QBs, but three QBs barely hit the threshold in 2009 while one just missed the threshold in 1994. Just because a few guys have had record breaking seasons doesn't mean the overall game has changed that dramatically.

BTW, in 1974 only one team averaged over 200 passing yards/game. Washington led the league at 200.1 passing yards/game.

Forget about team comparisons. Favre had approximately 3800 yards and 33 TD's in 1994. Where would that rank him compared to today's quarterbacks? Because back then those kind of numbers made you eligible for the MVP race. As I said, now it doesn't even earn you a starting spot in the Pro Bowl in either the AFC or the NFC. You'd be lucky to even get an invite with those numbers if playing in the AFC. Obviously something changed.

Peyton Manning started for the AFC in the Pro Bowl after putting up 4002 yards and 27 TD Passes. There were only 3 guys in the entire league with 30 or more TD passes. 30 TD passes is still a great accomplishment. Things haven't changed as much as you think.

Peyton Manning also started the season one month from knee surgery, and played without Harrison for most of the year. He started the Pro Bowl only because Tom Brady took a season ending hit in week 1, making him ineligible.

How many have the two of them been throwing in recent seasons when healthy?

Manning has thrown 30+ TD passes 4 times in 11 years. Brady has done it once. Each has had 1 phenomenal season. 1 season does not constitute a trend.

[mission]

Rodgers looks pretty fucking goofy when you think about it.

I kind of look like him when I'm clean shaven and have my "cool dude" haircut. We both have that doofus smile

[SnakeLH2006]

Same old thread.

That sir, might be the most amazing thing Snake has seen since he was 14...and he is still amazed at what he saw at 14, as he now sees it regularly, but is still impressed.

Yet, this is a close second of sheer brilliance and awesomeness 10 fold, sir. Snake now kneels to anything Cheesehead Craig has to say for the next month. Amazing technical prowess for that chart and pure smarts. Nice going. Wow. Bill O'Reilly would be impressed as there is no spin there man. Damn.