Blind Faith: Is this TT's last year at GM?

[gex]

Teams GB lost to last year (10 of them) and their final records:


Dallas: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC East... Beat GB 27-16

Tampa Bay: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC South... Beat GB 30-21

Atlanta: 11-5 ended up 2nd in NFC South... Beat GB 27-24

Tennesee: ended up 1st in AFC South... Beat GB 19-16

Vikings: 10-6 ended up 1st in NFC North... Beat GB 28-27

New Orleans: 8-8 ended up last in NFC South... Beat GB 51-29

Panthers: 12-4 ended up 1st in NFC South... Beat GB 35-31

Houston: 8-8 ended up 3rd in AFC South... Beat GB 24-21

Jaguars: 5-11 ended up last in AFC South... Beat GB 20-16

Chicago: 9-7 ended up 2nd in NFC North... Beat GB 20-17

The Packers 6 wins came against the Vikings in the season opener in GB, two wins against the great 0-16 Lions, a Seatle team that sucked ass, the Colts in GB (woot! Bite it Manning!), and Chicago.

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing. It seems like the most exciting thing Packer fans get to look forward to every year is the draft.

I read through all of the posts in this thread......people still expecting Harrell to be the second coming of Reggie White.....sad. I think he may be the second coming of Clitedious Hunt, and thats if we are lucky.

Face it, the Packers have done nothing but slump under Thompson. Keep telling yourselves that "next year" will be better. Keep telling anyone who will still listen to you, that Thompson's drafts will make this team better.......some day. One or two draft picks out of 10 or so every year (thanks to Thompson always trading down, not up) is not going to turn this team around.

Anyone think Thompson will trade up this year? Not likely. Anyone think Thompson will use a draft pick or two to trade for another teams stud during the draft? Not likely. This year will be the same as any other, Thompson may actually use his 1st round pick at #9, but I fully expect him to trade down more again this year........How exciting, lol.

How many starters will Thompson get out of the draft this year? How many new starters would the team need to improve from 6-10? How many more years will Thompson get to squander the talent that the team has now?

Kool-aid drinking Lion fans were saying that about Matt Millon right up till he got fired. They really do think he is/was an exceptional GM. lol

[gex]

B/C we don't agree on philosophy doesn't make me any less a Packer fan... been rooting for the Packers since the 60's.

Thats how it works in these forums wist, lol....... if there is something in particular u dont care for about the Packers, chumps around here will call u less of a Packer fan.
Dont like Thompson? To these guys, that makes u less of a fan.
Dont think Rogers has shown anything special? Again, these guys will call u less of a fan.
Dont care for how Thompson is "building through the draft" (LMFAO!!!) Again, less of a fan.

you have about 20 more years of being a Packer fan under your belt than me Wist, and you have seen a lot worse from GM's than what I have seen.

Isn't that the truth.
Drink the kool-aid and think the way we do or you will be dismissed.
Hate Favre, Sherman sucked, TT is the savior....

[Zool]

Wow, amazing how a few people around here spew mindless shit and take as many cheap shots as they want, but can't handle the same in return.

[Fritz]

Teams GB lost to last year (10 of them) and their final records:


Dallas: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC East... Beat GB 27-16

Tampa Bay: 9-7 ended up 3rd in the NFC South... Beat GB 30-21

Atlanta: 11-5 ended up 2nd in NFC South... Beat GB 27-24

Tennesee: ended up 1st in AFC South... Beat GB 19-16

Vikings: 10-6 ended up 1st in NFC North... Beat GB 28-27

New Orleans: 8-8 ended up last in NFC South... Beat GB 51-29

Panthers: 12-4 ended up 1st in NFC South... Beat GB 35-31

Houston: 8-8 ended up 3rd in AFC South... Beat GB 24-21

Jaguars: 5-11 ended up last in AFC South... Beat GB 20-16

Chicago: 9-7 ended up 2nd in NFC North... Beat GB 20-17

The Packers 6 wins came against the Vikings in the season opener in GB, two wins against the great 0-16 Lions, a Seatle team that sucked ass, the Colts in GB (woot! Bite it Manning!), and Chicago.

Does this sound like a Packer team that is going to improve that damned much through the draft? Not likely. Every year since Thompson came to town its been the same damned thing. It seems like the most exciting thing Packer fans get to look forward to every year is the draft.

I read through all of the posts in this thread......people still expecting Harrell to be the second coming of Reggie White.....sad. I think he may be the second coming of Clitedious Hunt, and thats if we are lucky.

Face it, the Packers have done nothing but slump under Thompson. Keep telling yourselves that "next year" will be better. Keep telling anyone who will still listen to you, that Thompson's drafts will make this team better.......some day. One or two draft picks out of 10 or so every year (thanks to Thompson always trading down, not up) is not going to turn this team around.

Anyone think Thompson will trade up this year? Not likely. Anyone think Thompson will use a draft pick or two to trade for another teams stud during the draft? Not likely. This year will be the same as any other, Thompson may actually use his 1st round pick at #9, but I fully expect him to trade down more again this year........How exciting, lol.

How many starters will Thompson get out of the draft this year? How many new starters would the team need to improve from 6-10? How many more years will Thompson get to squander the talent that the team has now?

Kool-aid drinking Lion fans were saying that about Matt Millon right up till he got fired. They really do think he is/was an exceptional GM. lol

Oh, bullshit, Gex. Bullshit.

I live in the Detroit area. My friends are Leos fans. I listen to the Detroit talk radio. The last couple years, I did not hear one - not one, Gex - fan say that they though Millen was an "exceptional GM." Or a good GM.

Bullshit, Gex.

[Lurker64]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

[cpk1994]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

IU'd love to debate those two players, but I have no idea who the hell they are.

[Lurker64]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

IU'd love to debate those two players, but I have no idea who the hell they are.

Well, we can at least argue "Who would help the defensive line more: Raji or Tyson Jackson?" I think that's one we can all follow along. Let's talk about football, and not management.

[cheesner]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

Lurk, That would require football knowledge, some cognitive skills, and an ability to present thoughts and ideas in a organized manner supported by researched facts.

Without that you are left with: 'The Packers did poorly last year, what is the simplest answer (scapegoat) I can find?'

[cpk1994]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

IU'd love to debate those two players, but I have no idea who the hell they are.

Well, we can at least argue "Who would help the defensive line more: Raji or Tyson Jackson?" I think that's one we can all follow along. Let's talk about football, and not management.

To answer your question, in my opinion it would be Raji. YOu need someone to spell Pickett.

[Waldo]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

IU'd love to debate those two players, but I have no idea who the hell they are.

Well, we can at least argue "Who would help the defensive line more: Raji or Tyson Jackson?" I think that's one we can all follow along. Let's talk about football, and not management.

To answer your question, in my opinion it would be Raji. YOu need someone to spell Pickett.

A guy that plays 5-10 snaps a game spelling Pickett vs. a guy that is in competition with Harrell and Jolly to start next to Pickett

The NT comes out when the nickel back is on the field typically, unlike in the 4-3 where we always had to have 2 DT's on the field and took the SLB off. Just by changing defenses Picketts snaps go down 20% from what he played last year, even if he plays every single snap that a NT takes all season.

A 3-4 NT, while important, is a situational player, a 2 down player.

[Fritz]

It's interesting how some guys seem to "jump" so much right at the end of this whole process...no new workouts or anything, yet guys like Tyson Jackson, who spent the previous several weeks being talked about as mid-first rounders, are now seen as rapidly moving up the board. Same with Sanchez.

Weird.

[Partial]

It's interesting how some guys seem to "jump" so much right at the end of this whole process...no new workouts or anything, yet guys like Tyson Jackson, who spent the previous several weeks being talked about as mid-first rounders, are now seen as rapidly moving up the board. Same with Sanchez.

Weird.

I agree. I think its that more scouts are getting interviewed towards the end versus mostly speculation at the beginning? Don't know, but this seems to happen every year.

[SnakeLH2006]

Wow..shit got crazy in this topic over that last day (Rats dumping on Waldo.....wow, oh damn wow...but hey we all want a winner, no?), so I felt it was relevant to this topic too, to get it back in hand...This is Snake's quote from Patler's newer thread, but will paste it here cuz it makes sense too:

Snake don't hate on ole Shermy like many Rats do, and likes Ted overall (but takes some barbs at him at times)....but damn if Snake DID like going 10-6 or 12-4 EVERY year under Shermy and MAKE the playoffs...To those that will defend TT and say he wants a SB and that is the goal, was that not Shermy's goal too? Sobeit.

The playoffs are a crapshoot anyway, but at least he TRIED to strike gold in FA, etc. to keep us on top. Yeah, it hit rockbottom at 4-12 and he had to rebuild/get fired...But Snake has been real patient the past few years under TT, but it's looking like same old-same old every year now and several seem content building for the future.

Snake's giving it one mo' college try under TT, but we better make some big strides this year, else out for TT. It's always nice seeing TT get us those extra picks, but after 4 years, it's always, "well next year....we...". Fuck it. Let's fucking win already. Enough of it.

Sorry...<<End Mild Tantrum.

It's hard to hate Shermy though, and Snake never did, as it is routine in the NFL to go a few successful years and bottom out, but we need to reach some sort of pinnacle/or at least playoff routine under TT. It's getting old.

Yeah, I guess, Snake feels that is the bottom line...Too much sugar-coating and letting TT slide around here lately. We need wins and a perrenial playoff team, as looking at it now... 1 in 4 years is garbage. Looking at it like that....maybe Snake doesn't let TT slide anymore...

Once again. Big Draft...or TT better hope we have NO significant injuries to hinder us from going 10-6. Now thinking about it...Fuck it. Let's win. Sick of waiting for "next year". Snake's not scared of bashers as he likes TT overall, but this is win or done. Some say MM might go, but Snake sees TT joining him if you look at results.

Damn. Big draft....and we have several coming back from injuries...but let's see some results THIS year. And...This is on the big man (TT) he has what 3 guys from Wolf, and 5 from Shermy...so this is his team? No? I for one, would love to get to the playoffs...but thinking again about it, couldn't remember a time in my teens wondering IF we made the playoffs (it was a given)...so TT has no more Snake Slack. Just win.

[gex]

Wow..shit got crazy in this topic over that last day (Rats dumping on Waldo.....wow, oh damn wow...but hey we all want a winner, no?), so I felt it was relevant to this topic too, to get it back in hand...This is Snake's quote from Patler's newer thread, but will paste it here cuz it makes sense too:

Snake don't hate on ole Shermy like many Rats do, and likes Ted overall (but takes some barbs at him at times)....but damn if Snake DID like going 10-6 or 12-4 EVERY year under Shermy and MAKE the playoffs...To those that will defend TT and say he wants a SB and that is the goal, was that not Shermy's goal too? Sobeit.

The playoffs are a crapshoot anyway, but at least he TRIED to strike gold in FA, etc. to keep us on top. Yeah, it hit rockbottom at 4-12 and he had to rebuild/get fired...But Snake has been real patient the past few years under TT, but it's looking like same old-same old every year now and several seem content building for the future.

Snake's giving it one mo' college try under TT, but we better make some big strides this year, else out for TT. It's always nice seeing TT get us those extra picks, but after 4 years, it's always, "well next year....we...". Fuck it. Let's fucking win already. Enough of it.

Sorry...<<End Mild Tantrum.

It's hard to hate Shermy though, and Snake never did, as it is routine in the NFL to go a few successful years and bottom out, but we need to reach some sort of pinnacle/or at least playoff routine under TT. It's getting old.

Yeah, I guess, Snake feels that is the bottom line...Too much sugar-coating and letting TT slide around here lately. We need wins and a perrenial playoff team, as looking at it now... 1 in 4 years is garbage. Looking at it like that....maybe Snake doesn't let TT slide anymore...

Once again. Big Draft...or TT better hope we have NO significant injuries to hinder us from going 10-6. Now thinking about it...Fuck it. Let's win. Sick of waiting for "next year". Snake's not scared of bashers as he likes TT overall, but this is win or done. Some say MM might go, but Snake sees TT joining him if you look at results.

Damn. Big draft....and we have several coming back from injuries...but let's see some results THIS year. And...This is on the big man (TT) he has what 3 guys from Wolf, and 5 from Shermy...so this is his team? No? I for one, would love to get to the playoffs...but thinking again about it, couldn't remember a time in my teens wondering IF we made the playoffs (it was a given)...so TT has no more Snake Slack. Just win.

Ahh but Snake, there are soo many excuses that we can come up with as to why its everybody elses fault and not our Teddy.

[PackerBlues]

Why is it that some posters only show up here to complain about people in the front office, certain players, or the inevitable failure of certain schemes.

There's more than a few people I think who only hang out on Packer boards to argue whether the GM sucks or not and to take potshots at each other, when we really should be discussing things like "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?" this time of year.

I mean, if you really care about the Packers, you should probably care more about the Defensive End than the General Manager.

If the original post is titled: Blind Faith: Is this TT's last year at GM?,
and I want to reply to that post, should I reply to it by talking about and sharing my opinions on Thompson, OR...............should I go completely off the original subject and talk about Defensive Ends?????

Get a Clue. You want to talk about "Who's the better late round five-technique defensive end prospect: Pannel Egboah or Everette Pedescleaux?".........start a thread on it and hope someone doesn't "pot shots" your opinions. Personally, I could give a rats ass about who Thompson picks up in the draft. Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn now and then. I am excited about the new Defense, but I have a feeling it is just going to turn into another Excuse for Thompson at the end of this coming season. Face it, if the team ends up under .500 again, the Thompson apologist are just going to go on and on about how the players on Defense need another year to learn the system.