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I don't consider Harrell a lock because the last I heard, he was still not in the strength/conditioning program because he was still rehabilitating his back. I think he's a lock if he's healthy.
I also didn't call Jolly a lock because he could be convicted/suspended. He's probably a lock if available.I can't run no more
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He's a first round draft pick. I see him being a "lock" for at least one more year unless the doctors think he's just NEVER going to get better. I think it would have to be a pretty catastrophic physical situation for that to be the case...
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Sure, but If they need to IR him for another year, he wouldn't be part of the 53 man roster. I agree he doesn't get released as long as the doctors think he has a chance to play in the near future.I can't run no more
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That's a great list. It's so early that everything is written in pencil. But, I don't think that Preston, Lang, or Meredith are locks, and Giacomini is probable but not a lock. I don't think we even gave Preston a signing bonus. The drafted rookies obviously have a pretty good chance, but Barbre or Wells could beat those guys out for a roster spot. Conversely they could beat out Giancomini for a roster spot.Originally posted by JoemailmanOffensive Line: (9) Locks: Clifton, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Preston, Lang, Meredith/ One Of These Guys: Moll, Wells, Barbre
Linebacker: (9) Locks: Hawk, Barnett, Kampman, Matthews, Poppings, Thompson/ Three of These Guys Bishop, Chillar, Hunter, Lansanah, Jones
Secondary: (9) Locks: Woodson, Harris, Bigby, Collins, Williams, Smith/ Three of these guys: Bush, Lee, Peprah, Rouse, Underwood
Also, I think Linebacker is the most up in the air position and only the top four guys are safe. The defense is still in development and we don't even know what they are going to ask these guys to do until we see a game. Poppinga is challenged at coverage and his ability to rush the passer so far has been mythological. Thompson looks like a good athlete but now he has to change positions so who knows how he plays standing up. I'm cheering for Hunter, because I think he has the body type to be a force rushing off the edge. He doesn't have Poppinga's intensity though. I don't think anyone does.
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I think Lang and Meredith are virtual locks unless they turn out to be completely useless. Their chances are better than Barbre's simply because they haven't yet disappointed the coaches as Barbre did last year. The thing with Wells is that partly due to his contract he probably needs to win the starting C spot to make the team. The rookies and Preston don't.
At linebacker, I think Thompson is a virtual lock because in addition to being a linebacker, he can slide over to DE when the Packers line up in a 4-3. TT and MM love those versatile guys.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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Not sure Clifton is an absolute lock. If he struggles early and shows signs that his kneeds aren't all there, and if one or more of the young guys like Lang come on strong (like Sitton did last year before injury), it's conceivable that Clifton could be a casualty because of his combination of injury, age, and price tag.
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Good point about Thompson that helps him alot.Originally posted by JoemailmanI think Lang and Meredith are virtual locks unless they turn out to be completely useless. Their chances are better than Barbre's simply because they haven't yet disappointed the coaches as Barbre did last year. The thing with Wells is that partly due to his contract he probably needs to win the starting C spot to make the team. The rookies and Preston don't.
At linebacker, I think Thompson is a virtual lock because in addition to being a linebacker, he can slide over to DE when the Packers line up in a 4-3. TT and MM love those versatile guys.
Wells' cap number last year was 1.7 mil. It's a little much for a backup, but I don't think that it dooms him. I think the thing that hurts him most is that he only plays center. In past years its been really important for back OL to play multiple positions.
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Am I remembering correctly that Kuhn's tender was somewhere in the neighborhood of $1M? If that's the case, barring catastrophic injury to Johnson or Hall, I declare this battle over.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangersBattles:
FB - Quinn Johnson, Korey Hall, John Kuhn for two FB spots.#14
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I think it's very probable that Preston earns a roster spot. If Spitz beats out Wells (as expected) for the starting C job, Wells is going to be too expensive to keep on as a backup and Preston is the only other C on the roster. If Wells isn't starting, Preston makes the roster if for no other reason than Preston is a C/G and Wells is a C only. The backup center for almost every team is a guy who can play multiple positions, simply because roster spots are valuable.Originally posted by BobDobbsBut, I don't think that Preston, Lang, or Meredith are locks, and Giacomini is probable but not a lock. I don't think we even gave Preston a signing bonus. The drafted rookies obviously have a pretty good chance, but Barbre or Wells could beat those guys out for a roster spot.</delurk>
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Re: 09 defensive depth
I disagree.Originally posted by KYPackinvited to rookie tryouts this weekend were a couple long shot DE's, Rhyan Anderson and Joe Lardinois. Lardinois is probably a 3-4 OLB
Lardinois is probably a lard-ass from Illinois
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Does anyone have a good idea on Matthews size/weight? I thought I had read, and from youtube highlights he looks 230 max.
But he is 6' 3", so 240 on that frame might look 230 thin.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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He was listed at 240 at the combine. In an interview at the Senior Bowl though, he said he normally plays between 245-250, but he was planning on losing a little weight before the combine.I can't run no more
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I know what you mean but he can't play any other positions and our starting line is better with Spitz at Center. Yeah, we could keep him but I think he loses out on the numbers game and they may try to trade him for a draft pick next year.Originally posted by KYPackHe's the starting center, fer crissakes.Originally posted by jmbarnes101We're starting to get battles for spots among guys I really don't want to see cut but that's a good thing right?
I think Moll, Wells, Swain, Montgomery, Peprah, Porter, Havner, and Lansanah are gone for sure but the rest should be really interesting.
Anything can happen, but he's not "for sure" to be cut.
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Re: 09 defensive depth
Am I the only one who got that?Originally posted by CaptainKickassI disagree.Originally posted by KYPackinvited to rookie tryouts this weekend were a couple long shot DE's, Rhyan Anderson and Joe Lardinois. Lardinois is probably a 3-4 OLB
Lardinois is probably a lard-ass from Illinois
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