LORD FAVRE comeback part deux...!!!

[cpk1994]

mike greenberg contends that if he goes to metrodome they will be the FAVORITE to win div and a STRONG superbowl contender

The Vikings are probably the favorites to win the NFC North even without Favre. But they probably aren't STRONG Super Bowl contenders even with him.

You know what? He better go get that surgery done on his throwing shoulder if he wants to come back, or it'll be a long season for him and the team that signs him. Playing in a dome isn't gonna protect him from his own physical breakdowns. He's quite capable of lighting up defenses even to this day, but not with a broken wing. So adding Favre won't in and of itself make any team any more a SB contender than they already were IMO.

Exactly. When he faltered last year, it wasn't exactly cold in NY like it can get in GB. ITs ssems that the media and others hold on to the cold as an exucse for Favre too much.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't think FAvre is going to embarass himself, he'll only play if he is healthy.

Brett Favre????

I half expect Brett would play even if he was wearing a toe tag.

[MOBB DEEP]

I don't think FAvre is going to embarass himself, he'll only play if he is healthy.

Brett Favre????

I half expect Brett would play even if he was wearing a toe tag.

lol

nlf live reports that vikes have been evasive yet NOT dismissive about ol' #4 in the purple and gold

espn.com nfc north blogger kevin seifert states that vikings plan to have serious discussions regarding brett favre soon!

he maintains that ultimately it will come down to whether Lord Favre really wants to play or not; if he does want to play then the team will be interested...WOW....

trent dilfer textd msgd with brett today and he says he's comfortable retired and said emphatically NO about coming back

he states that brett IS NOT INSTIGATING this whole charade-to-be like im sure some favre detractors think!

james hasty feels brett can DEF come back and be productive like he was during jets 8-3 start...but it wont be fair to queens if he doesnt come in for OTA's etc, like kerry rhodes said after last season

i havnt read that new york daily news article that ppl are sayn connects the dots that its certain that he's headed to the dome....can some1 here post it???!!

[MOBB DEEP]

You know what? He better go get that surgery done on his throwing shoulder if he wants to come back, or it'll be a long season for him and the team that signs him. Playing in a dome isn't gonna protect him from his own physical breakdowns. He's quite capable of lighting up defenses even to this day, but not with a broken wing. So adding Favre won't in and of itself make any team any more a SB contender than they already were IMO.

great point gun..

[th87]

i agreee with golic that he just simlpy LOVES PLAYN THE GAME; "u dont act that excited for 20 years [jumpn in linemen's arms, throwing snowballs at driver, etc....] if u dont truly love the game"

If this was the whole story, he would've stayed with the Jets.

[woodbuck27]

There's no loyality in PRO sports and Favre will be the first to attest to that. Certainly he may make a move to 'the Vikings' given the way he was taken down by whomever TT answered to. That move to bench Favre for Aaron Rodgers wasn't in TT. It came from above TT IMO. TT is to shy for such a bold step. The Paker brass knew just how to turn Favre away as a measure to move on without another Packer vet.

Congratulations. YOu just won Packerrats Most Retarded Post of the Year Award for 2009.

and. . . your a real beauty cpk1994. SARCASM intended.

Of all people on this forum that are the most classless. You win another badge from me. Your easily the poster with the redest neck and a mean spirited person to boot. Whats it like to try to live with you young man? Your so pathetic it's sad to witness.

I can always count on you and one or two others here to take a mere idea and slam it to hell. We post ideas and opinions here. We certainly speculate on much. To make a personal attack dictates as much may be deserved in return, but I prefer to try to make you think young man.

You seem to have some GOD complex cpk1994 and your actually and consistently prone to defending yourself, rather than just thinking once in awhile or maybe changing ie growing up.

[Gunakor]

We had a nice little chat about why I agree with you and why we might be right.

[Cleft Crusty]

Favre didn't embarass himself with the Jets, he played very well through 3/4 of a season, then his arm crapped out.

I wouldn't say he embarrased himself (the end was embarrasing), but I think it's a stretch to say he played well for 3/4 of the season. After the week 4 game where he threw 6 TDs, he threw 3 TDs and 8 interceptions in the next 4 weeks. He barely was used in a 47-3 blowout the following week. Then, he conjured up some old Favre magic in two big wins against New England and Tennessee. I think the Arizona game and the two big games there hid the fact that he was mostly average. Even at that point, he threw 10 TDs and 2 interceptions in those 3 games and 10 TDs and 11 interceptions in the other 8 games. He ended the year throwing 2 TDs and 9 interceptions in the final 5 games, and the Jets went 1-4 in those games with only one of those games against a team with a winning record.

Brett had 9 games where his QB rating was 76 or lower. Aaron Rodgers had 3 of them. Same with the guy he beat out for the Pro Bowl, Philip Rivers.

Clefty warned of this before the 2007 season. Old QBs like Favre go out like this, still able to muster a very good game here and there, but their old bodies just can't hold up week to week over long stretches. It doesn't help when you are missing ligaments in your ankles and shoulder either. And it doesn't help if you show up with a gut and are 30 pounds overweight. Everybody gets old. In professional football, Favre is an old, old man.

[Packerarcher]

If Brett wants to go to Minnesota, let him. The Packers have no reason to fear him anymore and even if the Vikings were to win, Brett wouldn't be gaining anything becuase what would he be "sticking to TT"? Rodgers has already shown that the Packers offense runs just fine without Favre. ALso, Brett Favre still has the biceps tendon injury to deal with. He will need surgery unless he wants to be a detriment. Also, Wilf had to see the last 4 weeks of last season and come to the realization that a 40 year old broken down QB won't to his team any good. FWIW, Wilf is on record from Febuary saying he isn't interested in Favre even if he were available.

While I think Rodgers MAY turn into a somewhat adequate QB. How in the hell do you figure the Packer offense ran just fine last year. As with any QB,when EVERYTHING was going well Rodgers looked good. But when faced with the smallest amount of adversity,Rodgers CHOKED big time.

[Pacopete4]

While I think Rodgers MAY turn into a somewhat adequate QB. How in the hell do you figure the Packer offense ran just fine last year. As with any QB,when EVERYTHING was going well Rodgers looked good. But when faced with the smallest amount of adversity,Rodgers CHOKED big time.

While this may be true.. he was a first year starter taking over an offense that was built around a QB that played more games than anyone else. I think it was a learning curve for Rodgers and MM. They both choked when the game was on the line. MM choked in not opening up the playbook and allowing Rodgers to succeed and Rodgers choked in not getting the job done when the game was on the line. That being said, it was his first year.. if it happens again this season, I'll begin to get worried cuz the talent that surrounds him, should allow him to succeed, even early in his career.

[Gunakor]

If Brett wants to go to Minnesota, let him. The Packers have no reason to fear him anymore and even if the Vikings were to win, Brett wouldn't be gaining anything becuase what would he be "sticking to TT"? Rodgers has already shown that the Packers offense runs just fine without Favre. ALso, Brett Favre still has the biceps tendon injury to deal with. He will need surgery unless he wants to be a detriment. Also, Wilf had to see the last 4 weeks of last season and come to the realization that a 40 year old broken down QB won't to his team any good. FWIW, Wilf is on record from Febuary saying he isn't interested in Favre even if he were available.

While I think Rodgers MAY turn into a somewhat adequate QB. How in the hell do you figure the Packer offense ran just fine last year. As with any QB,when EVERYTHING was going well Rodgers looked good. But when faced with the smallest amount of adversity,Rodgers CHOKED big time.

What about Mason Crosby's 2 missed GW FG's? He makes those and we finish 8-8, one game below where the Jets ended up. I think he did well dealing with adversity, as well as could be expected from a first year starter.

The absolute worst thing you could say about Rodgers season is that he kept us in almost every single game. The best thing you could say about Rodgers season is that the mistakes he made at the end of games were exactly the same mistakes we'd seen Brett make at the end of games for years - taking dumb chances, trying to win a football game. So really, I didn't see the big deal, and I still don't.

[MOBB DEEP]

i woke up this a.m. with the revelation that i actually dislike TT more than i dislike the queens....

queens should get marvin harrison so he can drink from fountain of youth as well and at least get to the nfccg with #4 'nem

off to fym to burn these love handles...

cpk, stop being hateful...life's too short

[Harlan Huckleby]

i woke up this a.m. with the revelation that i actually dislike TT more than i dislike the queens....

I think you got the start of a great blues lyric hear, I'm hearing BB King

[Freak Out]

wtf Mobb...? no beatles?

[pbmax]

So if I can extrapolate a point made about choking at QB: when things go well, people look good. When things go badly, people look poor. This is the kind of insight that can change people's lives.

How about this insight? In 2008, the Packers scored 419 points, good for 5th in the league. In 2007, they scored 435 points, good for fourth in the league.

Questions for the group:
1. How much dropoff was there at QB?
2. How did the running game differ between the two years?

And one more for the road. In 2007, the Packer defense allowed 291 points, good for 6th in the league. In 2008, they allowed 380 points, good for 22nd in the league.

Questions for the group:
1. What was the biggest offseason (2009) change for the Packers?
2. How blind must you be to believe that the difference between 13-3 and 6-10 was mostly the QB?